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[Mind_Games]

Am I the only guy who hated the Airshok?

I liked his character//performance// and story

He was a good hard-headed adversary yes but he killed the Viscount...

ok yes he had every right to be mad considering what that sister (Petrice) did, trying to frame him//them n all but the Viscount gave him a place to stay for THREE YEARS. He could have been honest about the book though through speculation one can say he possibly distrust humans due to the Tevinter conflict.

Considering he was in Kirkwall, even the elves he was keeping had to abide by Kirkwall laws even if they arn't just... A more rastional solution would have been to bring it to the attention of the Viscount or even Avline about the elves not getting justice (or maybe ask Anders.. wait no don't do that...)

Don't get me wrong, I respect the Airshok because his character and plight was believable, I was just outraged that a guest killed the head of the family after he offered him a place to stay, for free... FOR THREE YEARS...

When he asked me what I would do in his position at the end of Act 2 I was sadden to find there wasn't a "****** Off" option...

Another thing was during the duel, he kept saying how this was all some sort of preperation, so that other Quanri's know the strength of the best humans. Hawke was chosen because he was "the best example." Again, probably because of the Tevinter conflict (and judging by the trailer Airshok was expecting a Mage Hawke); but I wanted to finish off the other Qunari watching just beause the conversations during the duel was, disturbing; especially after I thought he turly had no "original" intension to invade Kirkwall. That the ending in act two was caused by misunderstanding, that the invasion was never planned at the start....

Anyways, glad I killed him.

Modifié par Mind_Games, 01 mai 2011 - 05:58 .

[GenericPlayer2]

To be honest I blame Aveline for the Qunari attack. I seriously doubt that the Viscount would have agreed to such a measure, and I think Aveline used the opportunity of him being pre-occupied with grief to advance her own agenda. I too did not feel like the Arishok was a villain.

I felt no need to arrest the elves and I resent that at no point in the story are we able to impress upon Aveline's flaws as guard captain. She never did anything against the elements provoking the Qunari & elves and then turns around and demands that they submit to justice. Aveline's justice is very selective.

Anyway, back on topic, I really wish there could have been a way to avoid the conflict.

[Mind_Games]

GenericPlayer2 wrote...

I felt no need to arrest the elves and I resent that at no point in the story are we able to impress upon Aveline's flaws as guard captain. She never did anything against the elements provoking the Qunari & elves and then turns around and demands that they submit to justice. Aveline's justice is very selective.

Anyway, back on topic, I really wish there could have been a way to avoid the conflict.

Aveline's more lawfully neutral, she is just doing her job and if I rmb correctly the other quest where u had to arrest some magistrate son who murdered elf children she said she would personally see the son charged//jailed for his offenses.

She exposed the orignal Guard Captain's corruption, I think she wuld hav done the same for the elves that went to the Qunari

Modifié par Mind_Games, 01 mai 2011 - 04:14 .

[Lethys1]

I liked the Architect and the Arishok pretty equally as my top two.  For a game I disliked so much in DA2, The Arishok was still actually amazing.  I really wanted to be a Qunari converted Hawke but the game didn't have that option....made me sad.

And yeah, forgot to mention that Aveline's actions really annoyed the crap out of me.  Don't annoy the elves, my Hawke wouldn't have wanted that either.  I got pissed when I saw there was no way of avoiding the fight between you and the Qunari people.  I wanted to be a friggin' member, now I have to fight all of em?

Modifié par Lethys1, 01 mai 2011 - 05:37 .

[spoe71]

The Arishok was a great adversary. Very well done. well voiced. Very scary.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I found him to be the most interesting villain of the game and probably up there with many other ones in Bioware games. It's not often they've managed to create a character that I hated yet respected at the same time. That was impressive.

He was certainly more interesting than Meredith. I found Hawke had a more personal connection to The Arishok because they had many more scene, so when he turned on Hawke and they shot glances at each other it felt more epic the Meredith invoking the Right of Annulment.

Compared to other Bioware villians?

I loved Darth Malak and got a pretty big kick out of seeing him do villianous things in Kotor, but he was generally a fairly straightforward over the top bad guy, right down to his evil laugh.

I thought he was better than Loghain actually. I know Loghain might have been developed more extensively in one or more of the books but the fact is, if it's not in the game the player really shouldn't be expected to know it. So I can really only go by the experience I got in DAO. And he really didn't seem quite as complicated as he could have been. We didn't really get to know him before he turned on us so most of our experience with Loghain was just as a standard regicidal usurper who quickly stooped to dastardly means to retain power. I get there was some interesting personality he got but at the end of the day his motives seemed kind of... simple and petty. He hates Orleasians? That's it? We didn't even really get a sense that he had much of a reason to fear them. By contrast we got to experience much of the bigotry and corruption in Kirkwall that the Arishok hated. And we got to know the Arishok a lot better before the situation spiraled out of control. I also felt like there were several more internal forces at play in his situation than Loghain's. With him it was 'Love of Ferelden and hatred of Orlais overcame his loyalty to Calian and his moral compass." With the Arishok, he was bound by the Qun to remain, but his resentment and disgust for Kirkwall grew the longer he did. But he had to balance his duty with his personal feelings. Then came his relationship with Hawke, who he sort of admired, but still regarded as an enemy. He provided a lot of insight into Qunari culture with his conversations. It was fascinating trying to determine what courses of action he was bound by duty the Qun to follow and which ones were his call.

I'd say Saren might be a deeper villian because he seemed to have a genuinely noble and important motive for his actions but he suffered from a lack of screen-time and as more was revealed about him, his portrayal seemed to be at odds with his earlier appearances in the game and backstory.

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The Arishok is pretty good character and is up there in my opinion of bioware's top 10 nemesis, maybe 5? but thats pushing it. I think death's hand, Irenicus, are two that are better. however, I think he was better than Loghain as some may disagree with me....

this is all matter of opinion anyways right?

[HighMoon]

He was certainly an interesting foe, and quite rigid in his beliefs. I have respect for the man. I didn't agree with his views all the time. But there you go.


*Spoilers for Jade Empire below*


I preferred Sun Li (the glorious strategist indeed! His plan was set out and executed almost to perfection. The only thing he didn't anticipate was the Water Dragon intervening. Still, as far as I am aware, he is the only villain who actually killed the protagonist in a Bioware game) and Loghain (quite a complex character. He believed he was doing the right thing. And he had noble goals. Like someone else said though, his views and priorities were distorted) on the whole.

Modifié par Golden-Rose, 01 mai 2011 - 08:09 .

[HighMoon]

Also, I could see the Illusive Man and Flemeth panning out to be very interesting villains.

[RobRam10]

Loghain, The Arishok, Darth Malak, Sun Li and Saren are the best adversaries in Bioware's games.

Modifié par RobRam10, 01 mai 2011 - 12:14 .

[SirDoctorofTARDIS]

I thought think of the same way as Loghain. Well voiced, Well Written but a arrogant ******.

[Maladismal]

RobRam10 wrote...

Loghain, The Arishok, Darth Malak, Sun Li and Saren are the best adversaries in Bioware's games.

The Arishok is overrated.

Proof that looking big, being an arrogant **** and having a deep voice is enough to impress the masses.

[caradoc2000]

Golden-Rose wrote...

Still, as far as I am aware, he is the only villain who actually killed the protagonist in a Bioware game

The Collectors killed the protagonist in ME2.

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Maladismal wrote...

RobRam10 wrote...

Loghain, The Arishok, Darth Malak, Sun Li and Saren are the best adversaries in Bioware's games.

The Arishok is overrated.

Proof that looking big, being an arrogant **** and having a deep voice is enough to impress the masses.

those things do help but you forgot conversation.  What I like is the philosophical debate between his viewpoint and whatever stance you choose.

[Sanarion]

I really don't understand why so many people think the Arishok isn't to blame. He attacked a sovereign nation, after occupying it by force of arms. He comes from a militant society that basically turn people into drones, stripping away all free will and individuality. He refuses to accept that other people's beliefs have value. I honestly do not see any reason to accept his duel, considering that the rest of the quinari have just attacked Kirkwall, after ignoring the laws of the city they are in. Better to just attack the whole mass of the Qunari, and ensure that they won't be coming back any time soon.

[88mphSlayer]

pros of the Arishok:

he affirms the "Show don't Tell" mantra, you get exactly WHY he's arrogant and WHY he's justified in his violence, whereas Loghain is more confusing in this respect and players always get clouded about his actions at Ostagar

he also brings sentimentality to an unlikely character... when Act 2 is all said and done you actually miss having to fight this guy once you're in the thick of Meredith vs. Orsino

cons:

the guy is two-dimensional, you know he's an overwhelmingly strong warrior who would never second guess himself, compare this to Saren or Loghain both of whom have flawed convictions that they feel they must carry out anyways