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[Kemmer]

Despite our fundamental disagreements, but I quickly came to respect the Arishok. I found myself missing him in Act III, which I never would've guessed from the trailers depicting the Champion kicking Qunari butt.  I also liked how after the duel, the rest of the Qunari left without a fuss.  You bested their leader and honor dictated that they respect you and leave.  

Modifié par Kemmer, 16 mars 2011 - 04:30 .

[Pileyourbodies]

I really liked the arishock my only problem with him is that my belief system is quite contrary to his he was an awesome enemy and i'm glad they wrote him so well.

[KnightofPhoenix]

I completely agree Maria. I think Loghain was a more complex and better adversary overall, mostly because we know more about him. But the Arishok definitely ranks as one of the best adversaries for me.

Which is why I might have preferred if Act 2 was extended and Act 3 was left for an expansion. The Arishok could have had more development time. And I think Sister Petrice also should have been developed more. But what we had is great.

As for the preparations against the keep. That was a contingency plan, like any good leader would do. Obviously, he is in a hostile city, surrounded by fanatics. But for the most part, he was patient. He sent delegates that Viscount Dumar describes as reasonable and had peaceful intentions, before they were brutally murdered.
He was getting irritated at Kirkwall and saw it as a chaotic mess (and seeing what happens in Act 3 and before, well he has a point). But like he said, the Qun did not demand war on Kirkwall, until he was provoked and his people murdered.

That said, I want to play devil's advocate and say that Sister Petrice, though a dogmatic fanatic, was not completely unreasonable. First, what amounts to an small army of Qunari being in Kirkwall for 3 years for unexplained reasons (or poor reasons) is bad news and is reason to suspect. Also, she feared that the Qunari, because they were not saying why they were really here, wanted to convert people from within. Not entirely true, but not entirely false either. We have Saemus. Yes, it was he who wanted to learn from them. But for a religious fanatic like her, this might be enough to make her fear. And we end up having the elves at the end, who do convert and essentially escape Kirkwall law (and for good reason. Both have valid points). Now Sister Petrice is the example par excellence of self-fullfilling prophecy. Her fears that the Qunari had ulterior motives that were hostile to Kirkwall, led her to force a confrontation with the Qunari, which provoked the Arishok into doing what he did. It's very similar to Anders really (he'd hate the comparison I suspect). And she was also slightly naive vis a vis the treatment of mages by the Qunari.

So I think the Arishok is definitely the most interesting NPC in the game, but I feel like he becomes more interesting when taken into context and that involves Sister Petrice. She is not as interesting as him, but still. The opposition brings more character to both, and more nuance to the whole picture.

EDIT: oh and I never thought I'd say this, but his "no" was even better than Sten's!

And what he says about the nobles of Kikwall, that they only notice that something is wrong when someone bothers them from their meals, is true. 

EDIT 2: Can we have an Arishok appreciation thread?

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 16 mars 2011 - 04:44 .

[Kemmer]

You know, Knight, you make a very good point regarding Petrice. I'm glad she was in the game, though. She was a great villain that I loved to hate .

[NinjaRogue]

I respected him yes. Doesn't mean I don't enjoy the feeling of pushing my blades into his throat. When he chose to try to take Isabela, he elfed up. My Hawke was already pissed that he tried to kill him and Aveline in an ambush.

[Volourn]

He's a violent bigot no better than the ****s. Yes, I went there. Yeah, he talks about 'honour' and 'respect' but it's all nonsense.

[MasterSamson88]

Out of everyone I think the Arishok was probably the coolest bad guy I've seen in the Dragon Age series.

[Vilegrim]

Darth Malek. Nuff said. Arishok isn't even close.

[Fishy]

I do agree that my champion felt like a wimp compared to the mighty Arishok.I want to roleplay a Qunari now.

[Dante Angelo]

Originally Saren was my favorite antagonist but now it's the Arishok

[KAAurious]

I thought earning his respect and then dueling him one of one was probably the biggest success in DA2.

[Medhia Nox]

I wanted to join the Qun - in RL.

[Bondkakan]

I wanted to convert my Hawke to the Qun because of him.

[barenas]

He was one of the better villains in the Dragon Age series. I kind of liked Meredith as well. Overall though no one compares to Jon Irenicus.

[Hrodric]

Arishok, by far, was a worthy adversary. After enduring countless provocations, insults, and the murder of several of his men (while unarmed)... I couldn't blame him for attacking.

If I had been in his shoes, I might have attacked sooner.

[WidowMaker9394]

I liked the Arishok. I actually felt a bit of unease when he lost his temper halfway through Act II.

[Lithuasil]

Hated him. Not that that's a bad thing. He was interesting, as were the qunari. The very thought of living in a society like the Qun disturbs both me and my hawke(s) greatly, hence why I did everything possible to escalate conflict - still enjoyable adversaries, though I liked the templars (before the whole bad****crazy thing happened to meredith) better. The more relateable the cause of my enemies is, the better

[CardonT]

I never liked that guy. Because of their fundamentalistic "Everyone that is not of the Qun has just as much rights as an animal"-thoughts it made me hate Qunari in general and just take every anti-Qunari choice during my second playthrough.

[PantheraOnca]

I would have liked the option to decapitate Petrice rather than letting the sten shoot her.

I also am surprised so many people liked Loghain. I thought he was a pretty poor villain. His reasons for abandoning Cailan just didn't work for me.

[Lord_Saulot]

I agree with Maria - the Arishok was awesome. I even would consider him the standout character in the game. I prefer him to any villain in Origins. Seeing him growing to respect Hawke despite what had to happen was one of the most beautiful things in this game. And when he would end a conversation by saying "I do not hope you die" -- that was just epic.

[WidowMaker9394]

PantheraOnca wrote...

I would have liked the option to decapitate Petrice rather than letting the sten shoot her.

I also am surprised so many people liked Loghain. I thought he was a pretty poor villain. His reasons for abandoning Cailan just didn't work for me.

You had a lot of respect and understanding of Loghain if you read the books.

[vas1444]

I don't get why anybody would "respect" the guy.. He forced his stay in the city he was never welcomed in. He basically brought his mini army with him and stayed despite the fact that nobody wanted him there. Somewhat reminiscent of US foreign policy.

[Arppis]

I have to agree... Too bad the duel was all Benny Hill!

[Maria Caliban]

PJLara wrote...

Not even close. The main antagonist in Baldur's Gate 2, Jon Irenicus, was a lot better.

He's a selfish whiner. A powerful, well-acted selfish whiner, but at the end of the day his ambitions, thoughts, and schemes extend no further than himself.

Dark Specie wrote...

kevin cousland wrote...
just let him take isabela. mwahahaha. shell become a sex slave of the qunari

From what I hear, Isabella escapes three days after she's given into the Arishok's care, so that won't happen
(Fenris DOES tell her what her eventual fate would have been had my character not duelled the Arishok for her freedom though).

What is it?

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 16 mars 2011 - 08:29 .

[Medhia Nox]

@CardonT - perhaps the problem is, you think you are better than an animal?

They're not humans - why should they consider you their equals? Do you consider yourself an equal to your fellow mammals?

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I respected the Arishok as much as I grew to respect "our" Sten.

I admire self-control. They are free to become Tal Vashoth - they are not forced into anything (as he states with the two elven followers of the Qun). However - you are not afforded respect if you cannot control yourself. I admire that immensely. I would have sided with him in a second if the game had offered.

Their mages even police themselves - that's awesome. Yes, they have what a human would call a "handler" - to the humans of Thedas the mages are pets.

BUT - if you save the Seerabas - he wants to die.

I wonder - is it REALLY mind control. Or - is the slavery to base impulses the people of Thedas call freedom really just bias propaganda. I think the "Modern Ideal" (which is really what's beong spouted when people despise order and self-control) is as corrupt as any Chantries lies.

The Arishok says that his people are free to choose the Qun - or become Tal Vashoth. So - that naturally would follow the Seerabas (sp?) - yet, he has a duty. A purpose driven life. Well done Bioware - I really love the Qunari.