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[dreman9999]

Kerilus wrote...

I wholeheartedly agree. This type of adversary is what Bioware needs more. Even as the nobles cheered when I sank my blade into his chest, I felt no glory, only overwhelmed by my inability to prevent the whole conflict.

As I killed him, I thought to myself, "I just killed the most noble man I've ever met."

[Randy1012]

Arrtis wrote...

A lie could have easily solved the issue considering the Airshok trusted you more than others.

Lying to the Arishok would have only proven his point further.

[dreman9999]

Jangocat wrote...

Are you kidding me? You never played KOTOR did you? Darth Malak was a WAY better adversary and a much more developed deeper character. Malak was literally epic. And I don't see how you could interpret Arishok as noble. He was a typical pompous close minded fundamentalist living in a foreign city and criticizing their lifestyle. I couldn't wait to kill this judgmental fool.

No he was not. He was just a standard bad guy. A"I like power and I'll do anything for it" chiche bad guy.

[Dangerfoot]

dreman9999 wrote...

As I killed him, I thought to myself, "I just killed the most noble man I've ever met."

I have never seen any nobility in any Qunari characters. All they seem to value is violence, whether it's against a warrior or an 80 pound elf girl seems to make no difference to them.

[Kerilus]

Dangerfoot wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

As I killed him, I thought to myself, "I just killed the most noble man I've ever met."

I have never seen any nobility in any Qunari characters. All they seem to value is violence, whether it's against a warrior or an 80 pound elf girl seems to make no difference to them.

If that was the case, the Arishok would not have waited for four years. And he would certainly not have sent the delegates for peace.

Modifié par Kerilus, 17 mars 2011 - 02:58 .

[maxbarton]

The Arishok was the most interesting character in the DA2 story for me.  I enjoyed his character and his beliefs.  Not really supporting them, but I enjoyed the way he presented them.

[dreman9999]

Maria Caliban wrote...

PJLara wrote...

Not even close. The main antagonist in Baldur's Gate 2, Jon Irenicus, was a lot better.

He's a selfish whiner. A powerful, well-acted selfish whiner, but at the end of the day his ambitions, thoughts, and schemes extend no further than himself.

Dark Specie wrote...

kevin cousland wrote...
just let him take isabela. mwahahaha. shell become a sex slave of the qunari

From what I hear, Isabella escapes three days after she's given into the Arishok's care, so that won't happen
(Fenris DOES tell her what her eventual fate would have been had my character not duelled the Arishok for her freedom though).

What is it?

Force convertion to the Qun or Slavery.

[dreman9999]

Dangerfoot wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

As I killed him, I thought to myself, "I just killed the most noble man I've ever met."

I have never seen any nobility in any Qunari characters. All they seem to value is violence, whether it's against a warrior or an 80 pound elf girl seems to make no difference to them.

Please, the man was about duty not violence. If they were they would of been more violent in the first part. They areabout order and self control. They may have become violent in the end but that was only do to the Chantry honding them in every turn. He did what he though was right, if the question was if killing is right or wrong then I have to question ever action you Hawke has ever done in this game.

[leggywillow]

dreman9999 wrote...
As I killed him, I thought to myself, "I just killed the most noble man I've ever met."

All I thought was "HAHAHA, you dirty rotten cheater!", because the previous time I fought him, he killed me after his charge attack glitched me into a corner.  Hawke got stuck there, and the Arishok beat me to death at his leisure.  It was brutal.

[maxbarton]

If I recall the slavery was something akin to being made tranquil. Don't have the quote, but I think that's what they said.

[NKKKK]

He's certaintly better than MereHurr or Orsidurrr

[Dangerfoot]

dreman9999 wrote...

Dangerfoot wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

As I killed him, I thought to myself, "I just killed the most noble man I've ever met."

I have never seen any nobility in any Qunari characters. All they seem to value is violence, whether it's against a warrior or an 80 pound elf girl seems to make no difference to them.

Please, the man was about duty not violence. If they were they would of been more violent in the first part. They areabout order and self control. They may have become violent in the end but that was only do to the Chantry honding them in every turn. He did what he though was right, if the question was if killing is right or wrong then I have to question ever action you Hawke has ever done in this game.

Alright so they value duty as well. But I've never seen this fabled nobility that everyone is always talking about. I never thought anything Sten ever did was noble either, but that didn't stop Morrigan from prattling on about how noble he was before he was even in our group. I'm always told how great the Qunari are, but I never get to see it.

[Persephone]

dreman9999 wrote...

Kerilus wrote...

I wholeheartedly agree. This type of adversary is what Bioware needs more. Even as the nobles cheered when I sank my blade into his chest, I felt no glory, only overwhelmed by my inability to prevent the whole conflict.

As I killed him, I thought to myself, "I just killed the most noble man I've ever met."

While I wouldn't go that far, my Lady Hawke deeply regretted that it had to come to this. And becoming the Champion because of it felt sad.

[Clover Rider]

 I am with you on this Maria he was the best:wizard:.

[KnightofPhoenix]

What's interesting is that the Arishok can show respect to a human mage. One of his subordinates freaks out at the sight of a "mas sarebaas". The Arishok does not. It could be a plot device because well the story would be very different otherwise. But if we don't metagame, it's possible that the Arishok can overlook the mage status of a potential respectable ally. The same can be said about Sten (can call a mage Kadan). Which goes to show that the Qunari might not be as monolithic as some would expect. That there might be small and subtle differences within. Though I do not doubt that the Arishok and Sten both completely favor the Qunari treatment of mages. Just that they won't go bezerk at the very sight of a non-Qunari mage.

And something I made

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 17 mars 2011 - 04:01 .

[Krimson_Wolf]

I'm not going to lie. The Arishok was with out equal to me. He was the biggest pain in the ass Boss I have faced in a long time. I tried like 8 times with very limited success. I had to go to the guide just to figure out how to even put him down to half way. So much fun fighting him.

[soignee]

on a purely surface, vain level here... The voice actor for the Arishok is amazing. He can read a page of the dictionary of his choice and I'll listen like a rapt school girl at his feet.

[CardonT]

Dangerfoot wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Dangerfoot wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

As I killed him, I thought to myself, "I just killed the most noble man I've ever met."

I have never seen any nobility in any Qunari characters. All they seem to value is violence, whether it's against a warrior or an 80 pound elf girl seems to make no difference to them.

Please, the man was about duty not violence. If they were they would of been more violent in the first part. They areabout order and self control. They may have become violent in the end but that was only do to the Chantry honding them in every turn. He did what he though was right, if the question was if killing is right or wrong then I have to question ever action you Hawke has ever done in this game.

Alright so they value duty as well. But I've never seen this fabled nobility that everyone is always talking about. I never thought anything Sten ever did was noble either, but that didn't stop Morrigan from prattling on about how noble he was before he was even in our group. I'm always told how great the Qunari are, but I never get to see it.

Me neither. All I ever see is "convert to
the Qun or be worth less than a dumb animal" or "When you're born into
the Qun, take the role that is chosen for you because I want you to be a
warrior... or... uhm... die."
They are savages that blindly follow some ancient text without ever questioning it and therefore feel superior to all the other races. And my mage has a deep hate for them after meeting the Saareebas.

[Melra]

Arishok was awesome. I like foes who show respect and respect the agreements, that have been made. Great foe, made stuff that much more interesting.

[LicktheSquid]

I don't see the Qunari as noble, but they have an immense sense of responsibility and duty, which is why I found the Arishok to be such a dynamic and intense force in DA2.
They're a respectable race; They have their beliefs, and they stick to them.
Even if their behavior isn't what we view as "humane", keep in mind that they are not human. They have separate values, separate philosophies, and a completely different mindset than a human/elf/dwarf. They're also from a foreign land.
Their culture is completely based on self-control and "knowing one's place", but they know emotion, love, the value of family, blahblahblah, but they show it differently than a human. It doesn't mean they feel it any less; They can control it.
That said, I really missed the Arishok in Act 3. The Qunari are an awesome race. Stubborn, but awesome! He was freaking epic, a pain in the ass to kill, and all you had to do to earn his respect was to just remain honest and straight-forward.
... I'm gonna' replay Origins now and make nice with Sten.

Modifié par LicktheSquid, 19 mars 2011 - 10:59 .

[Brawne]

Let him take Isabela, after few months entire Qunari empire will be decimated because there is no penicillin in Dragon Age.

[da0Xeffect2]

The guy made me want to join the Qun. I almost gave him Isabella just so he could survive. Sister Petrice and Aveline's desire to do her job ruined it. Probably the best adversary I've ever gone up against. I was saddened his story ended in the second act. The second act was like the Empire Strikes Back of the three.

[nijnij]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Beautiful.

[Malanek]

I don't see them as being all that noble. Another way of looking at him is like the irritating house guest that just won't leave and takes advantage of initial generosity. For three years!

And then when his people are killed, despite being aware that their deaths were engineered provocation, he takes the action (although does it more efficiently) that the provocuers intended. They proceed to then kill many innocent people in a foreign country they have no right being present in.

I just can't see where people are coming from when they say the Qunari have done nothing wrong. I wanted the option to forcibly kick them out and keep the book. They would have to pay significant reparations to get it back. I also wanted the option to tell them to leave (not just suggest) when speaking to them earlier.

Not saying they aren't interesting, I think they are... very much so. Just not really all that noble at all.

[Camenae]

I liked and respected the Arishok right up to when I fought him one-on-one. Thirty minutes later, I hated him.

Just kidding. The Arishok is a phemenomenal character.