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[Greed1914]

The conflict with the Arishok sort of reminds me of what Solid Snake says about Grey Fox in Metal Gear Solid. "We were just two professionals on opposite sides of a job." I felt no animosity toward the Arishok, but I also understood that there is no middle ground to be had, so I did what I had to do. I think that is why I was willing to help that Qunari find lost blades in Act 3 without pay. That was my chance to indicate that I held no resentment for what happened.

[Sledge454]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Please make a "Champion I am disappoint" image macro

[shaneho78]

This game really needed a cutscene between the Arishok and Flemeth

[GodBID]

The arishok was a very refreshing character, and as other's have said i feelt no honor in killing him during the duel to the death, he was well withinn his rights to go "Nuts".

[Zjarcal]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

EDIT: oh and I never thought I'd say this, but his "no" was even better than Sten's!

Way too late but...

LOL!! Sten was beaten at his own game.

[Special_Agent_Goodwrench]

Next DA needs Sten and Arishok.

Someting awesome happens...

Sten: No.
Arishok: No.
Silly!Hawke: How about yes?
Sten & Arishok: ...NO.

Modifié par DrunkDeadman, 25 mars 2011 - 04:25 .

[LadyBri]

The Arishok was awesome, indeed. I loved his voice, I loved every scene he was in, and I loved the duel. I didn't always agree with him, but I did respect him and the Qunari. One of my favorite parts was when we were discussing the Tal-Vashoth, and I ask about their losses and he replies with something like it's not a loss when the weak leave and it only strengthens the Qun. Kinda brutal but also practical in a kind of cold way, which I can't help but like:)

[KnightofPhoenix]

The Arishok is one of the main reasons why I'd contemplate replaying the game.

[M8DMAN]

Fighting the Arishok made me miss being a dual wielding warrior.

Modifié par M8DMAN, 25 mars 2011 - 04:55 .

[dreadpiratesnugglecakes]

All of you guys wetting yourselves over your 'honorable' adversary; he was an invader. As in, he had no 'effin business in Kirkwall in the first place. The Qunari invaded Thedas to convert or put to the sword those they couldn't; so you admire someone who holds your way of life in contempt and think that it gives him the right to kill you. Awesome. Me, I have a problem with people who think they have a right to kill me because i dont' think like they do; i was glad to kick his *** all over the throne room. Best villain, I have to harken back to Jon Irenicus as well. The Arishok was a self righteous rhinosceros pizzle.

[What?]

The Arishok wasn't bad, but I wouldn't call him the best Bioware adversary. He was just Sten on 'roids. But he did have really good voice-acting, and his dialog was, for the most part, very well-written. So kudos for that.

Modifié par VictorianTrash, 25 mars 2011 - 06:09 .

[Gabey5]

dreadpiratesnugglecakes wrote...

All of you guys wetting yourselves over your 'honorable' adversary; he was an invader. As in, he had no 'effin business in Kirkwall in the first place. The Qunari invaded Thedas to convert or put to the sword those they couldn't; so you admire someone who holds your way of life in contempt and think that it gives him the right to kill you. Awesome. Me, I have a problem with people who think they have a right to kill me because i dont' think like they do; i was glad to kick his *** all over the throne room. Best villain, I have to harken back to Jon Irenicus as well. The Arishok was a self righteous rhinosceros pizzle.

he came for the artifact. What would a ferelden refugee care what the qunari are doing with the imperium.

[Letumice]

Uhm? Seriously, if you paid attention the slightest bit in the game you would have realized the arishok did not give a rat's *** about converting the filth from kirkwall only protecting the ones that converted because he was duty bound to do so as the "arishok", it did not matter to him wether they converted or not. Furthermore he had every reason to be their isabella stole his race's holy book and he only stayed there to get it back, that was his first and foremost priority not invading or converting.

Modifié par Letumice, 25 mars 2011 - 06:23 .

[Darth Obvious]

Best in a long while, at the very least.

...which makes it all the more bizarre that in DA2 he was relegated to second-fiddle behind Meredith. Most boneheaded move Bioware has ever made, perhaps.

[PJLara]

simfamSP wrote...

PJLara wrote...

Not even close. The main antagonist in Baldur's Gate 2, Jon Irenicus, was a lot better.

Adversary...not villan. It's at the beggining of the post.

We're playing semantics here. How can you consider someone who blows up a portion of a city anything other than a villain? Because his artifact got stolen? He murdered the legitimate, if flawed, ruler of the city, terrorized its citizens and caused significant property damage.

How, in any way, shape or form, is what the Arishok did anything other than the actions of a villain? One of the Oxford English Dictionary's definitions of the word 'villain' is: "the person or thing responsible for specified problems, harm or damage." It should be obvious if you've played the game that the Arishok is a villain under the OED's definition. Just because he wasn't around in Chapter 3 doesn't take away the fact that he was a villain.

It's rich that because Bioware gave the character a cool look, good voice acting and gravitas, you limit your definition of him to 'adversary' -- as though you were dueling with poinards. The Arishok was a bloody terrorist; I think that qualifies him as a villain in pretty much anyone's book.

I'll agree that Irenicus was no better, but to say the Arishok is simply an adversary and NOT a villain is splitting hairs of the greatest order.

Moreover, how is a Villain not an Adversary if you come into conflict with him directly? One is not exclusive of the other. I would say that, in computer RPG's at least, the villain of the story is at all times one of your PC's adversaries.

The fact is, and you'll see a few posts in this thread to that effect, many veteran RPG folk will agree that one of the greatest Bioware adversaries they've faced is Irenicus -- and if you know his story, you'll know that he had just as much motivation to do what he did as the Arishok did.

Really, it's a bit odd that you're trying to dismiss Irenicus (or my statement for that matter) on the grounds of a technicality ("oh... the original poster said 'Adversary' and so your post is invalid" Umm... why exactly?). Since you actually cared to read my post, why not tell everyone in the forum why the Arishok, but not Irenicus, should be considered an adversary?

[Rifneno]

He's one of the worst adversaries IMO.  I posted this on another board, regarding dialogue options that there should've been, but it's apt to say here too.

All you can do is tell him to take the relic and go. WHAT?! After all he's done?! That's the angry, hateful Hawke response?! Here's a man who pretends to be so about truth while he's lying to everyone about why he's there and when/if he's leaving. After 3 years he still lies and claims he's just shipwrecked and another ship is coming for them. He rants about corruption and misery and the crimes of the humans around him as he plans a mass murder, including against the one person who he himself says is a good and upstanding person, worthy of respect. Earlier on he says his foes hide in shadows because they are too weak to oppose him directly. And what of his attack on Hawke at the compound? You, Arishok, are a hypocrite and a bloody coward. I do wish to send the Tome back to the Qun. It will arrive shredded, mixed with saliva if you're lucky, and used to wrap the pieces of your vital organs. And unless your men are as cowardly and pathetic as you, the Qun will have to guess at what occurred because there will be not a single surviving member of you filthy savages to tell them.

[Danjaru]

People hate Meredith for being self rightous and arrogant.

People hate Patrice for being a religious zealot that does extreme things in the name of her religion.

But they love the Arishok for being a combination of the two, but it's okay cause he looks cool. For ****s sake he wages war and kills innocent for the sole reason of "he doesn't like their way of life", a clear religious nutjob.

Modifié par Danjaru, 30 mars 2011 - 01:49 .

[Rann]

Yes, a religious (or philosophical?) nut job. But the thing about the Arishok is that he doesn't *care* what you think. On some level, Meredith and Patrice do, based on their dialog. I think that's why he's so interesting to me, as opposed to those two, who remind me too much of people I actually know.

I agree with those who put Irenicus before Arishok, but to be fair, Irenicus drives a lot more of his game that the Arishok does.

[Danjaru]

He doesn't care cause he can't understand any thinking outside of the Qun. He's extremely narrow minded and views all thinking outside of the Qun as blasphemy. He's kind of like a higher ranked Cult member that's been completely brain washed.

[Beerfish]

The Arishok was a massive fraud, incompetant, cruel, snarky and blamed everyone for his failure to get his book. He was also just a massive hypocrite much like most of the other Qunari one runs into. His big schtick was talking down to the Champion and anyone else he dealt with. Other than that he failed in just about everything he put his hand to.

[ZombiePowered]

I don't know about you guys, but I am definitely feeling an Arishok and Sten spin-off series.

[kyles3]

Rann wrote...

I agree with those who put Irenicus before Arishok, but to be fair, Irenicus drives a lot more of his game that the Arishok does.

DA2 would benefit greatly from the Arishok pushing more of the action. He's so exceptionally well-drawn that he makes Meredith and Orsino look like bickering children.

[Vicious]

Wow, shortsighted much? In the scope of DA:

No. Loghain was better. elicited more hate and was far more controversial.

In the scope of Bioware:

Please, everyone knows it's Sarevok. He is a villain, sure, but redeemable.

Modifié par Vicious, 30 mars 2011 - 03:34 .

[ZombiePowered]

Danjaru wrote...

He doesn't care cause he can't understand any thinking outside of the Qun. He's extremely narrow minded and views all thinking outside of the Qun as blasphemy. He's kind of like a higher ranked Cult member that's been completely brain washed.

He has principles that he obeys. After three years in that corrupt, ignorant mess of a cesspool (read "Kirkwall") he simply couldn't let the people continue to exist in such an unenlightened state. He was going to open their eyes to the truth, whether they wanted it or not. You can call him a brainwashed cult member, but he is is quite similar to many organizations throughout history, e.g. the Catholic church conquering and converting/slaughtering the populace, European nations colonizing and "civilizing" many nations around the globe, and most recently America invading countries to install democracies. Unlike some of these organizations, however, the Arishok acted entirely on principle, not out of greed or glory or any such selfish reason.