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[The Nur]

ooooooh... the 4chan boogeyman.

I think people have the right to protest vote on both sides. I seriously doubt the 0 votes think its 0 worthy as I honestly believe the 10 votes, if honest with themselves, know that the game isn't absolute perfection either. So maybe there is some merit to ignoring the 10s and 0s.

But people voting lower or higher than they feel it deserves is more about wanting to affect the average and send a message. Which is just another way for people to state their opinion.

Just a shame everyone has to discard people's honest opinions as 4chan trolls or fanboys.

I just find it amusing that there are so many people who instantly discard every contrary opinion as trolling but don't do the same for the opposite end of the spectrum. Wish there was more acceptance of contrary opinions, is all.

Modifié par The Nur, 16 mars 2011 - 08:44 .

[Galad22]

The Nur wrote...

ooooooh... the 4chan boogeyman.

I think people have the right to protest vote on both sides. I seriously doubt the 0 votes think its 0 worthy as I honestly believe the 10 votes, if honest with themselves, know that the game isn't absolute perfection either. So maybe there is some merit to ignoring the 10s and 0s.

But people voting lower or higher than they feel it deserves is more about wanting to affect the average and send a message. Which is just another way for people to state their opinion.

Just a shame everyone has to discard people's honest opinions as 4chan trolls or fanboys.

I just find it amusing that there are so many people who instantly discard every contrary opinion as trolling but don't do the same for the opposite end of the spectrum. Wish there was more acceptance of contrary opinions, is all.

And anyway why would 4chan people vote DA2 down just for fun?

If some of them are doing that wouldn't it make some more sense that they played the game, didn't like it, thus their low rating.

[The Nur]

Galad22 wrote...

And anyway why would 4chan people vote DA2 down just for fun?

If some of them are doing that wouldn't it make some more sense that they played the game, didn't like it, thus their low rating.

Exactly.

[JrayM16]

The Nur wrote...

ooooooh... the 4chan boogeyman.

I think people have the right to protest vote on both sides. I seriously doubt the 0 votes think its 0 worthy as I honestly believe the 10 votes, if honest with themselves, know that the game isn't absolute perfection either. So maybe there is some merit to ignoring the 10s and 0s.

But people voting lower or higher than they feel it deserves is more about wanting to affect the average and send a message. Which is just another way for people to state their opinion.

Just a shame everyone has to discard people's honest opinions as 4chan trolls or fanboys.

I just find it amusing that there are so many people who instantly discard every contrary opinion as trolling but don't do the same for the opposite end of the spectrum. Wish there was more acceptance of contrary opinions, is all.

Hmm.  Perhaps.  But I think people putting in scores that they do not believe in is an honest expression of opinion unless everyone did that.  If this idea was valid then why have anything besides 0s and 10s.  It seems shady to me, on both sides.

[Sanzee]

No, DA2 is not a 4.2 as metacritic users are saying. Just pissed of fans, that's all. It's prob. a 7.5 (versus 9.0 for Origins) IMO. I still had some fun with DA2, but I agree that it was a disappointment. I don't know how this happened.

[LegendaryBlade]

javierabegazo wrote...

A great deal of those 'reviews' by fans on Metacritic are copied and pasted, which points to a great deal of it being done by trolls from sites like 4chan and such, which I think is totally counterproductive to giving actual feedback. A two line paragraph review to me just looks like spam, where as a 3 page long review discussing actual features in specific seems much more real

 

Maybe sites LIKE 4chan, but people on /v/ are just laughing at being blamed for the metacritic stuff. There is no raid, I think it's just really, really dissapointed fans trying their hardest to make Bioware pay attention.

[zkaizer]

javierabegazo wrote...

I myself would rate DA2 a 7/10. It gets docked points not for not including features that I feel "must be in an RPG" but for taking shortcuts such as reusing maps. Such a short development cycle is what really strung this game up, I think

Dude! You just got some +cool points from me!  Thanks for speaking your mind and giving an honest answer without fear of what it might bring (troll, fanboys, or otherwise).

[Soilborn88]

These media reviewing websites have special interests with big companies like EA.

If a thousands peers reviewed the game and the average was 6, I would take that as more of an accurate representation of the game than say a employee for IGN, or Gamespy giving it a 8 or a 9. 

[zkaizer]

javierabegazo wrote...

A great deal of those 'reviews' by fans on Metacritic are copied and pasted, which points to a great deal of it being done by trolls from sites like 4chan and such, which I think is totally counterproductive to giving actual feedback. A two line paragraph review to me just looks like spam, where as a 3 page long review discussing actual features in specific seems much more real

True, the trolls were out in force but you also had people giving it 10's that didn't focus on anything except for the game is the greatest thing ever created. I remember that one reviewer, somethingxbreeze or something like that, who sounded like he was off his meds and gave the game a perfect score. I'm happy his review was tossed before he got worse!  

[JabbaDaHutt30]

The Nur wrote...

ooooooh... the 4chan boogeyman.

I think people have the right to protest vote on both sides. I seriously doubt the 0 votes think its 0 worthy as I honestly believe the 10 votes, if honest with themselves, know that the game isn't absolute perfection either. So maybe there is some merit to ignoring the 10s and 0s.

But people voting lower or higher than they feel it deserves is more about wanting to affect the average and send a message. Which is just another way for people to state their opinion.

Just a shame everyone has to discard people's honest opinions as 4chan trolls or fanboys.

I just find it amusing that there are so many people who instantly discard every contrary opinion as trolling but don't do the same for the opposite end of the spectrum. Wish there was more acceptance of contrary opinions, is all.

So, you just agreed to metacritic scores having been manipulated by people who didn't review dragon age 2 on its real merits... and subsequently proceeded to call them 'honest opinions'?

Whether it is 4chan or whatever -chan, I am inclined to believe there's a possibility of there having been a coordinated effort to mess up DA 2's user scores, especially if one of the developers themselves said that they are 'aware of it' -- something which I doubt they'd say lightly -- but most of all, I believe a LOT of the ratings are simply fans being reactionary and irascible... and considering the amount of backlash from the fanbase from even BEFORE the game went gold, I've no reason to believe that those user ratings are reliable or an accurate representation of DA 2's quality... at all.

Modifié par JabbaDaHutt30, 17 mars 2011 - 02:43 .

[JabbaDaHutt30]

zkaizer wrote...

javierabegazo wrote...

A great deal of those 'reviews' by fans on Metacritic are copied and pasted, which points to a great deal of it being done by trolls from sites like 4chan and such, which I think is totally counterproductive to giving actual feedback. A two line paragraph review to me just looks like spam, where as a 3 page long review discussing actual features in specific seems much more real

True, the trolls were out in force but you also had people giving it 10's that didn't focus on anything except for the game is the greatest thing ever created. I remember that one reviewer, somethingxbreeze or something like that, who sounded like he was off his meds and gave the game a perfect score. I'm happy his review was tossed before he got worse!  

Yes, and? There are most likely some people giving the game perfect scores to try and balance the rating out. Obviously, they are not being successful and the other extreme outweights them by a margin.

[wolvklawz]

Critics and fan based opinions don't matter.  The only opinion that matters is yours.  Meta critic will balance out after the haters move on. 

[LegendaryBlade]

JabbaDaHutt30 wrote...

The Nur wrote...

ooooooh... the 4chan boogeyman.

I think people have the right to protest vote on both sides. I seriously doubt the 0 votes think its 0 worthy as I honestly believe the 10 votes, if honest with themselves, know that the game isn't absolute perfection either. So maybe there is some merit to ignoring the 10s and 0s.

But people voting lower or higher than they feel it deserves is more about wanting to affect the average and send a message. Which is just another way for people to state their opinion.

Just a shame everyone has to discard people's honest opinions as 4chan trolls or fanboys.

I just find it amusing that there are so many people who instantly discard every contrary opinion as trolling but don't do the same for the opposite end of the spectrum. Wish there was more acceptance of contrary opinions, is all.

So, you just agreed to metacritic scores having been manipulated by people who didn't review dragon age 2 on its real merits... and subsequently proceeded to call them 'honest opinions'?

Whether it is 4chan or whatever -chan, I am inclined to believe there's a possibility of there having been a coordinated effort to mess up DA 2's user scores, especially if one of the developers themselves said that they are 'aware of it' -- something which I doubt they'd say lightly -- but most of all, I believe a LOT of the ratings are simply fans being reactionary and irascible... and considering the amount of backlash from the fanbase from even BEFORE the game went gold, I've no reason to believe that those user ratings are reliable or an accurate representation of DA 2's quality... at all.

More like, an uncoordinated effort. There was no raid from the chans or any sort of get together and 'lets destroy the ratings'. It was more so that the fans were upset, and word got out that if you didn't like the game metacritic was the best place to voice that concern. So en mass, everybody from this forum, from the chans, from other game websites, flooded Metacritic to rate the game. Nobody got together and planned this, it was just a riot caused by a lot of dissapointed fans, and the proof is in the pudding. You can harly call the flood of negativity on this very forum a chan attack, it's just how many people are dissapointed.

[Aesieru]

It's a 7, as I said, and DA:O is a 8, but the DLC makes it a 7.5.

[Project Requiem]

javierabegazo wrote...

A great deal of those 'reviews' by fans on Metacritic are copied and pasted, which points to a great deal of it being done by trolls from sites like 4chan and such, which I think is totally counterproductive to giving actual feedback. A two line paragraph review to me just looks like spam, where as a 3 page long review discussing actual features in specific seems much more real

Uh, no. I've looked through many of those, none of the negative reviews are really copy and pasted. Maybe on each platform to further express their experience with the game. Other than that, each review is different, and not even "two line" paragraphs. Most of them ranged from at least 4 sentences to even 20+.
Of course there isn't no reason to argue that they may in fact be spam or trolls, but who is to say the one's giving it positive reviews aren't?
Either way, the negative opinions seem to outweight the positive ones when you actually read them. And honestly, I truly do believe there are more troll positives than troll negatives of people who have actually played the game on there.

[AzzX]

A lot of those so called professional critic scores read as though they have not played more than an hour or 2 of the game, the screenshots and lack thereof also highlight this issue.

There are a few big sites left that are run by real gamers thankfully with more reasonable scores and in-depth reviews around the 60 - 70 odd range which is probably more correct.

[Jim_uk]

These reviewers are far too dependant on the makers of the games they are supposed to be reviewing, the fear of losing ad money and early access to pre-release material is a real one. I tend to ignore the "professionals" and instead have a look through forums and user reviews. The fanboys and haters are easy to spot, ignore them and you'll get a pretty good idea what a game is like.

[JabbaDaHutt30]

Soilborn88 wrote...

These media reviewing websites have special interests with big companies like EA.

If a thousands peers reviewed the game and the average was 6, I would take that as more of an accurate representation of the game than say a employee for IGN, or Gamespy giving it a 8 or a 9. 

you're free to do so, but incidents like this one shows that user scores are not always more reliable.

[JabbaDaHutt30]

LegendaryBlade wrote...

JabbaDaHutt30 wrote...

The Nur wrote...

ooooooh... the 4chan boogeyman.

I think people have the right to protest vote on both sides. I seriously doubt the 0 votes think its 0 worthy as I honestly believe the 10 votes, if honest with themselves, know that the game isn't absolute perfection either. So maybe there is some merit to ignoring the 10s and 0s.

But people voting lower or higher than they feel it deserves is more about wanting to affect the average and send a message. Which is just another way for people to state their opinion.

Just a shame everyone has to discard people's honest opinions as 4chan trolls or fanboys.

I just find it amusing that there are so many people who instantly discard every contrary opinion as trolling but don't do the same for the opposite end of the spectrum. Wish there was more acceptance of contrary opinions, is all.

So, you just agreed to metacritic scores having been manipulated by people who didn't review dragon age 2 on its real merits... and subsequently proceeded to call them 'honest opinions'?

Whether it is 4chan or whatever -chan, I am inclined to believe there's a possibility of there having been a coordinated effort to mess up DA 2's user scores, especially if one of the developers themselves said that they are 'aware of it' -- something which I doubt they'd say lightly -- but most of all, I believe a LOT of the ratings are simply fans being reactionary and irascible... and considering the amount of backlash from the fanbase from even BEFORE the game went gold, I've no reason to believe that those user ratings are reliable or an accurate representation of DA 2's quality... at all.

More like, an uncoordinated effort. There was no raid from the chans or any sort of get together and 'lets destroy the ratings'. It was more so that the fans were upset, and word got out that if you didn't like the game metacritic was the best place to voice that concern. So en mass, everybody from this forum, from the chans, from other game websites, flooded Metacritic to rate the game. Nobody got together and planned this, it was just a riot caused by a lot of dissapointed fans, and the proof is in the pudding. You can harly call the flood of negativity on this very forum a chan attack, it's just how many people are dissapointed.

I think so. I'm aware that there are plenty of people that are disappointed, some of which might go to metacritic to try and give the game a fair review and others, well... simply being angry at all the changes.

[Coldest]

I'd give DA2 a 7.5 but only because part of the enjoyment I got out of the game is being able to move once again in the Dragon Age universe, which I have come to love thanks to Origins.

If DA2 were a standalone game with no sense of backstory whatsoever, I'd give it a 5 or 6 at the highest. The profuse recycling of maps is something I could never get past no matter how hard I tried.

[LegendaryBlade]

JabbaDaHutt30 wrote...

LegendaryBlade wrote...

JabbaDaHutt30 wrote...

The Nur wrote...

ooooooh... the 4chan boogeyman.

I think people have the right to protest vote on both sides. I seriously doubt the 0 votes think its 0 worthy as I honestly believe the 10 votes, if honest with themselves, know that the game isn't absolute perfection either. So maybe there is some merit to ignoring the 10s and 0s.

But people voting lower or higher than they feel it deserves is more about wanting to affect the average and send a message. Which is just another way for people to state their opinion.

Just a shame everyone has to discard people's honest opinions as 4chan trolls or fanboys.

I just find it amusing that there are so many people who instantly discard every contrary opinion as trolling but don't do the same for the opposite end of the spectrum. Wish there was more acceptance of contrary opinions, is all.

So, you just agreed to metacritic scores having been manipulated by people who didn't review dragon age 2 on its real merits... and subsequently proceeded to call them 'honest opinions'?

Whether it is 4chan or whatever -chan, I am inclined to believe there's a possibility of there having been a coordinated effort to mess up DA 2's user scores, especially if one of the developers themselves said that they are 'aware of it' -- something which I doubt they'd say lightly -- but most of all, I believe a LOT of the ratings are simply fans being reactionary and irascible... and considering the amount of backlash from the fanbase from even BEFORE the game went gold, I've no reason to believe that those user ratings are reliable or an accurate representation of DA 2's quality... at all.

More like, an uncoordinated effort. There was no raid from the chans or any sort of get together and 'lets destroy the ratings'. It was more so that the fans were upset, and word got out that if you didn't like the game metacritic was the best place to voice that concern. So en mass, everybody from this forum, from the chans, from other game websites, flooded Metacritic to rate the game. Nobody got together and planned this, it was just a riot caused by a lot of dissapointed fans, and the proof is in the pudding. You can harly call the flood of negativity on this very forum a chan attack, it's just how many people are dissapointed.

I think so. I'm aware that there are plenty of people that are disappointed, some of which might go to metacritic to try and give the game a fair review and others, well... simply being angry at all the changes.

I don't think you can blame them, and I think the general backlash is going to be more and more people saying Bioware has sold out to the 'EA-Devils' (please don't ban me) which is already spreading.

[Gavinthelocust]

It's just a lot of butt hurt, it'll be over with soon.

[moilami]

Everyone here who think they know what metacritic score is the Right Score admits secretly they are perfect example of average gamer.

[Myounage]

The Nur wrote...

Galad22 wrote...

And anyway why would 4chan people vote DA2 down just for fun?

If some of them are doing that wouldn't it make some more sense that they played the game, didn't like it, thus their low rating.

Exactly.

Because they expect Bioware fanboys to get mad about the low user score, and they find that funny.