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[neftones]

only thing that bothered me is that I never even MET Leliana - let alone recruited or killed her - so, even assuming she got out of Lothering alive, she certainly wasn't involved with my Warden's quest. seems like a simple enough alternative to have in her dialog, so that was a little disheartening. in terms of importing my DAO file, the fate of returning characters would, to me, seem like one of the most important aspects to carry over - hard to say this feels like my version of the world when something as significant as my party roster is ignored.

[Trixsy]

That's odd, as I haven't had any problems with cameo characters showing up if they're not supposed to. Then again, I don't kill my main companions ever because I disagree with that option, but other characters have shown up, or not, depending on my save files. For example in my 2nd playthrough on the wounded coast Sophie Drydan appeared. I let her live in that origins playthrough and was really surprised to see her. I killed her in a different save that I imported and so instead of Sophie you just get giant spiders. It was a nice surprise!

[NKKKK]

David Gaider wrote...

_000Darkstar wrote...
Actually, that's exactly what dead means.

The operative part of that sentence being "I think they'e dead".

What happens isn't always going to be what you think should happen. It will, in fact, pretty much always work out the way we think it should-- and that includes bringing characters we like back. For those people who are just going to stamp their feet and insist that it should be what they want instead, I can guarantee that there's no amount of explanation that will convince them it isn't some offense to their idea of how our universe should work... so I'm not about to try here on these forums.

At any rate, I assume the original question was answered. I'll leave it at that.

And then you ask why this game got panned. 

[Merced652]

David Gaider wrote...

Cajeb wrote...
Why did Bioware decide to not include character deaths in the import data? Why do Leliana, Zevran, and Alistair all ressurrect themselves?

Zevran does not. Neither does Alistair or Nathaniel.

If we wish to bring someone back to life, it's because we wanted to.

I feel so warm and fuzzy.

[NKKKK]

Yeah, perfect attitude to take in a game that's on a slippery slope.

[Arrtis]

So much for choices mattering.

[NKKKK]

Arrtis wrote...

So much for choices mattering.

Lol Choices?

[Everwarden]

NKKKK wrote...

Yeah, perfect attitude to take in a game that's on a slippery slope.

Yeah, that's kinda how I felt too. I don't really care about Leliana being brought back, it's just the "**** you, valued customer!" attitude Gaider retorted with. He could have explained how easily she could survive, being in close proximity to the miracle McGuffin at the time of her death. Instead he decided to tell customers that not only does DA2 have no significant choices, but the choices in DAO are also being stamped out posthumously. 

Gee, thanks. Now all Bioware has to do to completely defile the grave of a once great game is give my warden a voice actor in DA3. 

[Taleroth]

mrsph wrote...

Didn't Baldur's Gate do this?

It did better.  It had Biff the Understudy.

[Khayness]

mrsph wrote...

Didn't Baldur's Gate do this?

You just imported your character stats (+ inventory, but that gets taken away unless you glitch it), there wasn't any promises of huge choices and visceral combat.

[Arrtis]

NKKKK wrote...

Arrtis wrote...

So much for choices mattering.

Lol Choices?

Terrible its terrible.
DA2 really does leave a bad impression.
Even replaying it feels annoying.

[Vandicus]

Its almost as bad as if they had brought Flemeth back from the dead after I thought I killed her in Morrigan's companion quest. Oh wait.

Seriously, this is as bad as when people had no clue how Orsino knew blood magic. The Dragon Age series is an ongoing story of sorts, we don't get to know every single behind the scenes detail before the series is done. If it finishes and there's no explanation given ever, then feel free to call them out on it. Until then, be patient. Anyone who's read a good book series knows that characters and even readers aren't omniescent.

Deaths and such all worked for me, but I never killed Leliana. Hoping to finally get to play the Murder of Crows quest with my second DA2 playthrough using another save.

Theory wise, I figure its something similar to what happened to the Guardian. She's now so immortal servant of the Maker.
http://dragonage.wik...dian_(character)

[TJPags]

DA2: Where Death is Meaningless

[Everwarden]

TJPags wrote...

DA2: Where Death is Meaningless

I'm betting that Bethany won't have 'died' in the deep roads, she'll just have looked dead. She's going to be a romance option in DA3, and that's more important than choice!

After all, killing her doesn't mean that you don't have to see her again!

[TJPags]

Everwarden wrote...

TJPags wrote...

DA2: Where Death is Meaningless

I'm betting that Bethany won't have 'died' in the deep roads, she'll just have looked dead. She's going to be a romance option in DA3, and that's more important than choice!

After all, killing her doesn't mean that you don't have to see her again!

I can't wait for my rogueHawke to run into Carver again in DA3.

"Bro!! Missed ya!!!  How was the nap?"

[Icy Magebane]

lol that people keep assuming the Maker is real... give me a break. No proof of that at all.

[Deylar]

David Gaider wrote...
Zevran does not. Neither does Alistair or Nathaniel.

If we wish to bring someone back to life, it's because we wanted to.

We call that my friend Duex Machina. You can read either:

Tvtropes= http://tvtropes.org/...n/DeusExMachina

Or Wikipedia= http://en.wikipedia....Deus_ex_machina

Whichever suits your fancy. But we know what you said is just B.S. you pull out of your hat.

Modifié par Deylar, 17 mars 2011 - 12:15 .

[Kerilus]

David Gaider wrote...

_000Darkstar wrote...
Actually, that's exactly what dead means.

The operative part of that sentence being "I think they'e dead".

What happens isn't always going to be what you think should happen. It will, in fact, pretty much always work out the way we think it should-- and that includes bringing characters we like back. For those people who are just going to stamp their feet and insist that it should be what they want instead, I can guarantee that there's no amount of explanation that will convince them it isn't some offense to their idea of how our universe should work... so I'm not about to try here on these forums.

At any rate, I assume the original question was answered. I'll leave it at that.

In that case maybe you shouldn't have made Leliana killable in the first place.

[Everwarden]

 I am going to gaze deep into the future now with my mystical powers:

David Gaider of the Future: "We felt it was more important to have Bethany return as a boinking option in Dragon Age 3 than to leave her corpse in the Deep Roads. I mean, come on people, you were the ones who complained about her not being a romance option in DA2. This is your fault."

"You see, Alistair didn't actually chop Loghain's head off. It just looked like he did. Loghain actually used a body double, which is why he's back and complaining about Orlais again. We wouldn't do this unless we wanted to, that's something you have to understand."

"This is the last I'll say on the subject of the Dark Ritual: No, it isn't canon. Just because the hero of Dragon Age 4 is the Old God Baby doesn't mean that it's canon. You still made a choice in Origins. We are just choosing to tell you you're wrong, and if you want to make bad choices you should upload a different save. Thanks for playing."

 

[TJPags]

Everwarden wrote...

 I am going to gaze deep into the future now with my mystical powers:

David Gaider of the Future: "We felt it was more important to have Bethany return as a boinking option in Dragon Age 3 than to leave her corpse in the Deep Roads. I mean, come on people, you were the ones who complained about her not being a romance option in DA2. This is your fault."

"You see, Alistair didn't actually chop Loghain's head off. It just looked like he did. Loghain actually used a body double, which is why he's back and complaining about Orlais again. We wouldn't do this unless we wanted to, that's something you have to understand."

"This is the last I'll say on the subject of the Dark Ritual: No, it isn't canon. Just because the hero of Dragon Age 4 is the Old God Baby doesn't mean that it's canon. You still made a choice in Origins. We are just choosing to tell you you're wrong, and if you want to make bad choices you should upload a different save. Thanks for playing."

 

+10 internets.

[Dean_the_Young]

It's not like the Warden couldn't already fail to kill Oghren. Maybe he or she just needs to learn to finish off those pesky, troublesome companions? They aren't mooks, after all.

[KnightofPhoenix]

I am pretty sure Leliana can be decapitated at the Urn....Ok, maybe you can argue that on the way out, the Warden accidently let some of the ashes fall on her neck and head, which miraculously re-attached them together and made her alive again and...here she is as a Seeker.

Yea, let's not take the "what you see doesn't have to be what we think should happen" thing to far. It would be better to say that killing Leliana is just not a canon choice, deal with it.

[Arrtis]

THe maker brought them all back to life.
The end.

[Arrtis]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I am pretty sure Leliana can be decapitated at the Urn....Ok, maybe you can argue that on the way out, the Warden accidently let some of the ashes fall on her neck and head, which miraculously re-attached them together and made her alive again and...here she is as a Seeker.

Yea, let's not take the "what you see doesn't have to be what we think should happen" thing to far. It would be better to say that killing Leliana is just not a canon choice, deal with it.

thus expect god baby for DA3.
Your new canon is you did the ritual.