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[Sesshomaru47]

Fenris stayed with me as well, even though I sided with the stupid mages.

[Parrk]

Keep smiling
keep shining
Knowing you can rarely count on them...fosho
that's what da2 companions are foooooooooorrrrrrrrr

[Silentmode]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Silentmode wrote...

That's what friends are for. My Hawke who was best buds with everyone likes to think that if he were in their shoes he would of done the same thing and as such can't be mad at them. Well maybe not blow up a Chantry to prove a point but everything else sure.

My Hawke is friends with them even though she wouldn't do half the crap they do. Her life is spend fixing other people's messes anyhow. Might as well do the same with her buddies.

Indeed. Hawke is basically walking duct tape.

[ejoslin]

Hrodric wrote...

Lithuasil wrote...

Fenris didn't abandon me, despite siding with the mages (and you know, being one), and Merill had no fault in her death clan, the idiots just didn't want to listen. And well, I did feel a little betrayed since Anders didn't let me in on his plan, would've helped him and all. But him not telling you is something he does to protect you. So there you are, three have decent friends, and I didn't use any other companions, anyway

Fenris may (or may not) come back, true. But the fact is, he did *not* stick by you at first. You have to remind him of his past life as a slave to have him come around and not try to kill you... again.

To be clear: I've a soft spot of Merrill--she's pure kryptonite for me. That said, was that stupid mirror worth those lives?

He stuck with my mage who sided with the mages the entire time.  He told her he thought she was making a mistake, but he stayed.  It's an approval based thing.

Edit: He'll stay at either high rivalry or high friendship -- however, if you haven't earned his respect, he doesn't trust your judgement at first.  That actually isn't too surprising.  

Modifié par ejoslin, 16 mars 2011 - 09:04 .

[Hrodric]

Wulfram wrote...

In fairness, my Hawke is a pretty awful friend too.
Anders - Killed
Isabela - Would have killed if she had the opportunity.
Sebastian - Helped kill the grand cleric.
Merrill - Indulged her on the whole blood magic/mirror thing because she loved her, despite knowing in her heart of hearts that it was stupid and going to result in disaster.
Carver - Left behind from the expedition because Aveline was more useful and Anders was a warden.

Actually, with Isabela, you can let the Qunari have her. She ends up supposedly escaping--WITH the relic, no less. I ended up telling the Qunari that she should be tried by *our* laws--as much of a joke as they were to him--and give her a trial in Kirkwall. That starts the fight with the Arishok.

And, honestly, with Carver: I really wanted to bring Aveline because she was *way* more useful but... blood is thicker water. I took him instead--he may be the biggest royal pain in the neck but... he is *my* biggest royal pain in the neck.

[WidowMaker9394]

Arius23 wrote...

The dog chewed on some of Hawke's furniture. Don't forget that.

And got his dirty paws on the bed. And who knows what he told Sandal when they "spoke" to each other?

OT: Their lack of perfection, their very flaws are what makes them good characters.

[huggingtonbear]

Hrodric wrote...

Anders:
1. Has you go gather materials so that he can make a bomb in his terrorist plot to kill the only people intent on keeping the peace.
2. Uses you to distract the Grand Cleric so that he may plant the bomb--without your knowledge.
3. Starts a war throughout Thedas between mages, templars, the Chantry, and the hapless citizens caught in between.

Anders' Impact: the deaths of (hundreds of) thousands throughout Thedas.

Aveline:
Has you accompany her to the Arishok's stronghold and lend respectability to Kirkwall's desire to get back two hardened criminals awaiting justice who found a haven with the Qunari. But, those two "criminals" happen to be two gangly, diminutive elves who had no choice but to take the law into their own hands after their sister was raped by Kirkwall guards! Oh, and these "criminals" had earlier sought justice through legitimate means but got nowhere. This event turned out to be the 'straw that broke the camel's back' and started the Qunari aggression.

Aveline's Impact: the deaths of hundreds (or thousands) of civilians throughout Kirkwall.

Fenris:
1. When standing up against the massacre of the mages by the templars, he just abandons you and joins with the templars.
2. Uses you as bait and fodder so he can continue his campaign of revenge against his former master.

Fenris' Impact: minimal considering Anders/Aveline/Isabela; still a ****ty friend, though.

Isabela:
1. Steals a relic considered holy by the Qunari. This leads the Qunari to crash and then stay in Kirkwall--as they cannot leave without the artifact. (aside: if Sten could not return to the Arishok without his blade or else be killed on sight... what would happen to these Qunari who return without the holy relic?)
2. Conceals the fact that this relic was what was keeping the Qunari in Kirkwall in spite of all the political tension (and deaths) that came from the Qunari presence.
3. Instead of letting the city have the relic so the Qunari wouldn't destroy, she instead absconds the relic to give it to an Antivan thug to save her own hide.

Isabela's Impact: Full out war with the Qunari against the Free Marches (and the rest of Thedas) and all the (hundreds of) thousands of deaths that follow it.

Merrill:
1. The death of her clan's keeper.
2. The massacre Hawke was forced into that claimed the lives of every last one of her clan.

Merrill's Impact: Hundreds of deaths of a near extinct culture/species.

Varric & Dog:
Probably the only friends on whom Hawke could actually count to not stab him/her in the back.

Sebastian's alright too, he didn't seem intent on making plans that would get a whole lot of people killed and only resorts to threats of mass murder when you decide to free the guy who killed the closest thing he has to family left.

[Merci357]

Just as a note regarding Merrill - the death of her clan is at your hands, then. Since, if you take responsibility for what happened, there is no fight.

That said, I do consider Aveline and Varric friends, as well as Isabela, Varric and even Sebastian. I never used Fenris, can't comment on him besides that he rejoined me in the end, and Anders, there I agree.

[Medhia Nox]

Fenris never betrays me - I sided with the Mages even and he stands at my side. Not sure what I did right.

Aveline stayed true - she even says that despite losing everything that's important to her (her love of being a captain) she's "with me."

And of course - my bestest buddy in the whole world Varric.

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The rest can die horrible deaths - except Anders, I want to make him Tranquil and keep him for enchantment once Sandal is gone.

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Alright, I'm not being fair - I didn't do Merril's quests so I can't complain about her - and I liked Sebastian though he wasn't right for my party.

So yeah - just Isabela and Anders.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 16 mars 2011 - 09:24 .

[Hrodric]

huggingtonbear wrote...

Hrodric wrote...

Anders:
1. Has you go gather materials so that he can make a bomb in his terrorist plot to kill the only people intent on keeping the peace.
2. Uses you to distract the Grand Cleric so that he may plant the bomb--without your knowledge.
3. Starts a war throughout Thedas between mages, templars, the Chantry, and the hapless citizens caught in between.

Anders' Impact: the deaths of (hundreds of) thousands throughout Thedas.

Aveline:
Has you accompany her to the Arishok's stronghold and lend respectability to Kirkwall's desire to get back two hardened criminals awaiting justice who found a haven with the Qunari. But, those two "criminals" happen to be two gangly, diminutive elves who had no choice but to take the law into their own hands after their sister was raped by Kirkwall guards! Oh, and these "criminals" had earlier sought justice through legitimate means but got nowhere. This event turned out to be the 'straw that broke the camel's back' and started the Qunari aggression.

Aveline's Impact: the deaths of hundreds (or thousands) of civilians throughout Kirkwall.

Fenris:
1. When standing up against the massacre of the mages by the templars, he just abandons you and joins with the templars.
2. Uses you as bait and fodder so he can continue his campaign of revenge against his former master.

Fenris' Impact: minimal considering Anders/Aveline/Isabela; still a ****ty friend, though.

Isabela:
1. Steals a relic considered holy by the Qunari. This leads the Qunari to crash and then stay in Kirkwall--as they cannot leave without the artifact. (aside: if Sten could not return to the Arishok without his blade or else be killed on sight... what would happen to these Qunari who return without the holy relic?)
2. Conceals the fact that this relic was what was keeping the Qunari in Kirkwall in spite of all the political tension (and deaths) that came from the Qunari presence.
3. Instead of letting the city have the relic so the Qunari wouldn't destroy, she instead absconds the relic to give it to an Antivan thug to save her own hide.

Isabela's Impact: Full out war with the Qunari against the Free Marches (and the rest of Thedas) and all the (hundreds of) thousands of deaths that follow it.

Merrill:
1. The death of her clan's keeper.
2. The massacre Hawke was forced into that claimed the lives of every last one of her clan.

Merrill's Impact: Hundreds of deaths of a near extinct culture/species.

Varric & Dog:
Probably the only friends on whom Hawke could actually count to not stab him/her in the back.

Sebastian's alright too, he didn't seem intent on making plans that would get a whole lot of people killed and only resorts to threats of mass murder when you decide to free the guy who killed the closest thing he has to family left.

That actually upset me--Sebastian would so happily raise armies against Kirkwall just because of one mage/abomination. If it was such an outrage, why didn't *he* volunteer to kill Anders? My player character already did all his dirty work to avenge his family. Now too must the PC do his dirty work for him?

What was going on in my mind at that point was: am I *really* able to finish this game with out a healer?? BTW, if anyone knows of a mod to have Merrill take the healing tree, please send me a message with it.

[AtreiyaN7]

PurebredCorn wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Aveline stuck by me all along, and what happened with the Arishok certainly wasn't her fault. Direct blame for that lies with Sister Petrice and Isabela in my opinion, As for Fenris, he returned to my side at the end and stood by me even though I was a mage. On the issue of Merrill: I avoided killing Merrill's clan (surprisingly). They apparently took me at my word and allowed me to take her with me, so my playthrough obviously went a little differently. She was not intentionally malicious or evil - she was foolish and made some bad decisions, believing that what she did was for the good of the Dalish (taking back a part of their history). Varric and Dog were awesome of course. As for Anders, he does try to protect you and warns you that you shouldn't get involved with him from the very start. What happened later was bad, but he's flawed and you know it. No, I certainly was PO'd with him after being backstabbed like that at the end, but he was also my LI so it was one of those complicated situations.

How did you play your Hawke? What personality?

Oh, I went with a mostly wry and sarcastic Hawke, but I would be serious or forceful depending on how I felt in a given situation (definitely yelled at Carver at one point after he said something partcularly unpleasant and unfair). As far as my character's political views went, I was completely pro-mage (being an apostate and all), but I kept hoping that Elthina would step in to calm things down and provide a middle way.

In dealing with specific characters...with Fenris, I was anti-slavery but I stuck to my guns on supporting mages in general. I wasn't about to compromise just to make him like me. I knew that fixing the eluvian was probably a bad idea, but I supported  Merrill most of the way through on the off-hand chance that it might work. As far as the others went, I felt like Aveline was another sister and that Varric was my best friend.

Alas, I didn't spend that much time with Isabela, but that was basically because I refused to take Anders or Varric out of my party. That left one slot, usually filled by Sebastian. Really, it wasn't just because he was hot - I wanted his input on certain situations involving the Chantry and mages, etc. In dealing with Anders specifically, I was generally supportive, but I think we did have a few disagreements/arguments. My first inclination was to refuse to help when he asked me to distract Elthina, but I totally caved in because of the relationship.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 16 mars 2011 - 09:31 .

[Maria Caliban]

Merci357 wrote...

Just as a note regarding Merrill - the death of her clan is at your hands, then. Since, if you take responsibility for what happened, there is no fight.

That said, I do consider Aveline and Varric friends, as well as Isabela, Varric and even Sebastian. I never used Fenris, can't comment on him besides that he rejoined me in the end, and Anders, there I agree.

I pin the death of her clan on her clan. <_<

[DarthKaldriss]

Mr.House wrote...

Wow you did terrible in your game. The only person that was not in my party at the end was Anders because I killed him.

              This happened to me too even the killing of Anders part even tho he was my healbot, lots of potions FTW......
Also in the epilogue Isabella sticks with Hawke even tho everyone else goes there seperate ways. (well that was my Hawkes epilogue.)

[Invalidcode]

Let's see, for me:

Anders: Awesome dude, great firework!! Seriously one of the best explosion I have seen in games.
Aveline: Yeah yeah yeah blame her won't you, the guard captain trying to uphold the law, what nonsense!
Merrill: Yo Hawke! Did you know if you take responsibility the clan didn't have to die, of course not! You didn't take responsibility!
Isabela: Hawke, you know she is bad news over the years.
Fenris: I don't think he made himself clear that he hate mages, no not at all!

Hawke: NOT GUILTY! To ALL charges!

[DarkWulfy]

/signed.

The companions in this game seemed like downright 'bad people'.... certainly no friends that I would ever keep in real life. The very people who were supposed to trust us, that we spent all our time earning their trust, actually trust us the LEAST and intentionally circumvent our choices in order to achieve their own aims? wut? I mean.. I know that's realistic that people don't always do what you want, but this is supposed to be a game: I don't want to get depressed and feel constantly backstabbed by my own party while playing it.

[Hrodric]

DarkWulfy wrote...

/signed.

The companions in this game seemed like downright 'bad people'.... certainly no friends that I would ever keep in real life. The very people who were supposed to trust us, that we spent all our time earning their trust, actually trust us the LEAST and intentionally circumvent our choices in order to achieve their own aims? wut? I mean.. I know that's realistic that people don't always do what you want, but this is supposed to be a game: I don't want to get depressed and feel constantly backstabbed by my own party while playing it.

Yep, you got my point. Aveline and Merrill (with Varric and Sebastian on a good day): I could see those relationships happening irl.

The others?? Not so much.

[Hobosapien]

I left Anders bleeding out on the cobblestones. And I'll do the same in every future playthru.

[Maria Caliban]

The most interesting characters in BioWare games are the ones I wouldn't associate with in real life. I adore Morrigan, but wouldn't get near her in reality. Leliana turns me to goo, but I'm pretty sure if my R/L girlfriend used to seduce people to murder them and now thought god spoke to her, I'd quickly (but gently) break up with her and change the locks on my door.

[Lithuasil]

Maria Caliban wrote...

The most interesting characters in BioWare games are the ones I wouldn't associate with in real life. I adore Morrigan, but wouldn't get near her in reality. Leliana turns me to goo, but I'm pretty sure if my R/L girlfriend used to seduce people to murder them and now thought god spoke to her, I'd quickly (but gently) break up with her and change the locks on my door.

While this stands pretty much true, I'd totally go for Merill in real life, blood magic or not 

[Taleroth]

Maria Caliban wrote...

 I'm pretty sure if my R/L girlfriend used to seduce people to murder them and now thought god spoke to her, I'd quickly (but gently) break up with her and change the locks on my door.

I once dated a girl like that.  Don't knock it.

[Beaynid]

i went with a goody two shoes merciful hawke and ended up

i started to romance her. she consoled me when leandra died(in her own awkward at emotions way), planned on giving isabela the relic to save her life, but instead she comes back and gives it to the arishok, i then dueled the arishok and won to save isabela. a few years later i help her get a new ship and she finally confesses she loves me and after killing meredith the psycho we never part. she has done wrong but after being around me so long she starts developing morals and a conscience. a good companion and friend.

Bethany gets thrown into the circle but she adjusts well. i save her from crazy blood mage grace and her band of rebels, and she joins me in helping to protect the circle. she is proud of me and knows that ill always protect her.

aveline may not always agree with my methods but knows i always strive to do whats right and sticks with me because of it. she thinks i could help get the criminals back from the qunari and stave off a confrontation, instead we get the qunari having enough and attacking. not her fault, she was trying to prevent what occurred from happening. in the end when i sided to protect the mages from being slaughtered, she thinks for a few but realizes that im right and the guard cant stand idly by while the templars slaughter all the innocent mages along with any bad ones. so she stands by me to the end. overall a good friend.

anders is a bloody madman. conning me into helping him commit an act of mass murder, which further causes a massive war , the falling of the chantry, and what looks like further death on a massive scale. first playthrough i spared him so he could atone. but next playthrough i realized there is no atonement so executed him. he is a bad bad man, and a bad friend.

fenris i barely used in my party and he constantly annoyed me so when he turned when i chose to protect the mages from mass slaughter, i barely blinked and killed him along with his templar friends. he was a mage hating douche, so didnt care about trying to be friends.

varric, great guy, helps me get my start in getting the mansion back, bringing me into status, and sticked with me no matter what i did(didnt turn on me in the fade to save feynriel, builds me up in his stories, plus puts me on his tab at the hanged man), plus he was always nice to merril and bethany. a good companion and friend.

merril, i helped her try to fix the mirror and try to build up her confidence, she remains timid and awkward, and from her banter very naive and clueless. keeper decides to let the demon posess her and we have to kill her, causing the whole clan to attack us and need to be killed. not really her fault, but i think she is a lil too obsessed with the mirror. still she stuck with me to the end and constant perky upbeat attitude was nice in the group. so overall a good friend.

so pretty much anders and fenris were bad in the end. even isabela turns herself around and redeems herself.

hawke, takes aveline to commit some less than honest dealings, offers the relic to isabela which could have caused even more damage than what occurred with the qunari attack if she didnt come back to return it. went into the deep roads with varric and found the idol which makes people go crazy. helps every mage i can, only kills mages that attack me first. kills naughty templars and templars who think im bad because of it. spare ****s that try to make me commit suicide using mind control(isabela didnt like me letting the templars take her to jail instead of killing her), helped aveline get hooked up with donnic, protects bethany time and again(pretty much my mage friendly attitude even after all the blood mages ive seen is because of her), helps varric kill his brother and let him vent about it afterwards. helps anders make the 'spirit removing potion' which is actually a bomb to blow up the chantry, kills anders after the betrayal, kills fenris gladly when he sides with the templars, kills orsino and meredith because they were both psycho, helps merril kill her clan, and continuously supported her fixing the mirror causing the incident.

hawke, both good friend and douche(although a douche with good intentions)

[Darker_than_black]

Several of the things you list doesn't happen if you choice different dialouge or if you have enough friendship/rivalry with your companions.

Just because all this happened to you doesn't mean that the game always plays out like that you know.