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[Augustei]

Apart from the fact that he knew about the serial killer that murdered my mother, and the fact that he had to go and prove Meredith right by perfoming Blood Magic... Which, like she said One Does not simply learn to do these things without knowledge or practice.. or something like that.

But I mean, If you side with him he just runs off!! Hes like "Oh yeah, glad you survived..." if you make it to the gallows, just kind of abandons you.. Whereas Meredith actually fights by your side and helps you. Whats up with that?

[RevengeofNewton]

Orsino isn't so much as a jerk as he is an "ends justifies the means" guy. Meredith is like that too actually.

Also there is no "siding" with Meridith or Orsino. You fight both either way. You're siding with mages or the templars.

[Icy Magebane]

Orsino was such a noob. He transforms into this huge monster and then targets my party! Next time, read the spell description more carefully: "Harvester Transformation: Sustained mode that causes blind rage and confusion on the caster. Friendly Fire Possible."

Modifié par Icy Magebane, 16 mars 2011 - 08:25 .

[Nonoru]

I liked(still like him) the character at first but when i played by siding with templars and knew that he was aware of the killer of the Hawke's mother,i was happy to kill him.Something i was sad to do on my first playthrough.

Modifié par Nonoru, 16 mars 2011 - 08:27 .

[Lithuasil]

I agree that Gargamel could've waited with the whole harvester stunt until he was out the door.

[RedWulfi]

I liked him at first, seemed like a decent guy. But when he turned to blood magic and became an abomination I thought he was a coward.

[Taleroth]

RevengeofNewton wrote...

Also there is no "siding" with Meridith or Orsino. You fight both either way. You're siding with mages or the templars.

Actually, you're siding with the Mages or Meredith.  The Mage position is one shared by all Mages.  The Templar position is one that's entirely dictated by Meredith, until her reveal.  The Templars effectively back down when she turns nuts.  But the Mages never stop trying to not be murdered.

The fact of the matter is that Meredith could have avoided the war entirely had she chosen.  The Mages could too, technically, but only by an act tantamount to suicide.

Modifié par Taleroth, 16 mars 2011 - 08:31 .

[Kelleth]

When Orsino made the cheap tactic my first thought was "Damn, I should have sided with the Templars, this guy is just like everyother dumpass mage too weak to handle their responsability!"

[Augustei]

What annoyed me is he just sort of abandoned me In Lowtown.. Hes like "Mmk, yeah good luck with these Templars. Seeya" And runs off.. I mean? Wtf?

[Dean_the_Young]

Orsino was a seemingly-competent incompetent who should never have been made First Enchanter. He completely failed to have any of the integrity or mental fortitude to actually be an effective partner to any Knight Commander, and in failing so completely failed to have the integrity and reliability that would have actually given him the standing to moderate Meredith.

The man confused being an advocate with being an accomplice, and in hiding and even encouraging blood mages and apostates, fueled the very crisis he was supposed to be mitigating. He had none of the wisdom, or reliability, that made First Enchanter Irving successful.

[XX-Pyro]

Taleroth wrote...

RevengeofNewton wrote...

Also there is no "siding" with Meridith or Orsino. You fight both either way. You're siding with mages or the templars.

Actually, you're siding with the Mages or Meredith.  The Mage position is one shared by all Mages.  The Templar position is one that's entirely dictated by Meredith, until her reveal.  The Templars effectively back down when she turns nuts.  But the Mages never stop trying to not be murdered.

The fact of the matter is that Meredith could have avoided the war entirely had she chosen.  The Mages could too, technically, but only by an act tantamount to suicide.

If the Templar's didn't agree with Meredith, there would be no world at the brink of war. I'm not saying every Templar wants to kill every mage in the world, however, considering they (I assume 'they' to mean the majority) broke off from the Chantry to kill the mages, it says enough about the order. You choose mages, or templars. Meredith is just an extremist.

The Templars who rebelled would have done so regardless of if the mages in other Circles rebelled, after seeing or hearing about what happenned in Kirkwall.

[SgtElias]

Nonoru wrote...

I liked(still like him) the character at first but when i played by siding with templars and knew that he was aware of the killer of the Hawke's mother,i was happy to kill him.Something i was sad to do on my first playthrough.

Wow, I didn't know that! I've played through twice, but sided with the mages both times, so I didn't realize he knew about your mum's murderer. Why on earth would he keep that to himself?

Well, I really liked the guy until now. Friggin' twerp. <_<

Did this have a context? Or was it just a malicious "by the way I knew, muahahaha!" moment?

[Taleroth]

XX-Pyro wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

RevengeofNewton wrote...

Also there is no "siding" with Meridith or Orsino. You fight both either way. You're siding with mages or the templars.

Actually, you're siding with the Mages or Meredith.  The Mage position is one shared by all Mages.  The Templar position is one that's entirely dictated by Meredith, until her reveal.  The Templars effectively back down when she turns nuts.  But the Mages never stop trying to not be murdered.

The fact of the matter is that Meredith could have avoided the war entirely had she chosen.  The Mages could too, technically, but only by an act tantamount to suicide.

If the Templar's didn't agree with Meredith, there would be no world at the brink of war. I'm not saying every Templar wants to kill every mage in the world, however, considering they (I assume 'they' to mean the majority) broke off from the Chantry to kill the mages, it says enough about the order. You choose mages, or templars. Meredith is just an extremist.

The Templars who rebelled would have done so regardless of if the mages in other Circles rebelled, after seeing or hearing about what happenned in Kirkwall.

That greater war is not what you're choosing, however.  You're only choosing your involvement in the Kirkwall battle.  That is entirely from Meredith.

And no, there's no assurance that the other Templars would have rebelled.  There's too many factors.  The Mages are rebelling because they see weakness AND because they have reason to fear Templars finding petty excuse to murder them.  The Templars are going rogue for revenge AND because their Mages are rebelling.  The people most responsible for all of these are Anders and Meredith, if either had acted differently, the outcome may have been different.

Modifié par Taleroth, 16 mars 2011 - 09:01 .

[Mahtisonni]

When I saw the stunt that Orsino pulled I thought that WHY IS EVERY OTHER MAGE SO PATHETICALLY WEAK WILLED?
Honestly why did Orsino even panic? It's not like i had any problem killing the blighters. 3 mages that all had petrify, telekinetic prison, nukefist and rain of fire. And a dwarf that has a friggin repeating crossbow.

Naturally as a mage I had no choice really considering that I'm pretty sure that if they're willing to butcher every circle mage in town then as an apostate I would have much worse fate.

[Lithuasil]

Mahtisonni wrote...



Naturally as a mage I had no choice really considering that I'm pretty sure that if they're willing to butcher every circle mage in town then as an apostate I would have much worse fate.

According to the loading screen, the right of annulment roughly means "kill every mage we can find before we grow bored or within two days of travel time"

[Nimander]

Orsino was ... a lot worse than he appeared. Or he may have been. There is VAGUE possibilities he didn't know what Quentin was up to in totality -- he might have thought Quentin was robbing graves, which is bad, but not BAD BAD. But in general, unless that happened (and we don't know), he knew Quentin was killing people to fuel his research. And that puts him beyond the pale to me.

Which saddened me, I liked the dude up to the reveal.

[RolandX9]

AndersIsLush wrote...

I liked him at first, seemed like a decent guy. But when he turned to blood magic and became an abomination I thought he was a coward.

Coward? Say what you will about the wisdom of his action (and I would, at length, but I don't have time), but he knew that becoming a Harvester was a death sentence. He gave his life to protect the fleeing mages, enduring unspeakable horror in the process. Foolish, not very honorable with his allies right there, but tragically heroic.

[PureGold_Au]

I really liked the guy. I mean when given the choice he took on leuges of qunari on his own. Then 5 templars show up and he's all like "WERE ALL GONNA DIE" and does something that goes against everything he stood for so far.. It seems a bit to.. much

[merik3000]

I would understand him going mental and panicking if the templars surrounded us with archers and it looked like we were screwed but I had 2 elemental mages of which one was a full force mage and a bottleneck situation for the poor templars coming into that room....
My party killed every templar that entered without getting a single speck of blood on their clothes with my fighters in backup! We crushed the templars who came in and he suddenly goes mental?!? I was like lolwut?
I don't mind that we have to fight him but at least make the scenario have a tiny shred of sense. Just make meredith and a load of templars come from the back or wherever (or just teleport them in as everyone in the DAII universe except your party can summon reinforcements from thin air) and have them surround your party so it looks like all is lost then it makes sense for him to use a last resort crazy spell! Rant Ended