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[Lithuasil]

KenKenpachi wrote...

Lithuasil wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...

Lithuasil wrote...

You mean the same Cullen that had this really meaningful talk with me, on how mages are less then human, talking to three apostates that had just saved his ass?
And that same Gregoir who wanted to annul half a dozen children who had set up their line of defense within comfortable talking distance of the door he was guarding?

Two marvellous specimen indeed.

Like I said in the original post. Their actions are not related to the it... The way they present themselves is what defines their badassery.. Their armor, their theme.. Their pwning. =D

I didn't doubt their badassery, nor their cause, I'm  just saying that I won't support them until their collective mental level exceeds that of an equal number of marbari

Pft its the stupid army that will control the world, they are smart enough not to ask questions.

I also don't doubt that, still won't keep me from fighting said army until I'm all out of mana, and by extension probably bled dry

[Kerilus]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Templars ARE mages.

They wield magical abilities so they are mages. Even if their talents are limited to dispel and mana draining techniques(Well that smite attack is as much offensive magic as it gets)

You wield magic of any kind, you're a mage, simple as that.

That might be the definition of mage for some other worlds, but in Thedas mages get their power from the fade.

[eaKephas]

Lithuasil wrote...

I have trouble finding them all that baddass, when carver hawke is the only templar in the entirety of two games, that isn't completely braindead.

1. Carver's not braindead?

2. What about Alistair?

[Lithuasil]

eaKephas wrote...

Lithuasil wrote...

I have trouble finding them all that baddass, when carver hawke is the only templar in the entirety of two games, that isn't completely braindead.

1. Carver's not braindead?

2. What about Alistair?

1) Carver is a pretty decent person given the circumstances. And he's a lot less stupid then he appears to be.

2) Three words. Swooping is baaaad. And even alistair didn't stay with the lot, and never was an actual templar to begin with.

[WhiteKnyght]

Pileyourbodies wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Templars ARE mages.

They wield magical abilities so they are mages. Even if their talents are limited to dispel and mana draining techniques(Well that smite attack is as much offensive magic as it gets)

You wield magic of any kind, you're a mage, simple as that.

Mages have inate abilities. Templars get their abilities from Lyrium dust that they consume.

Not true. Alistair never drank an ounce of lyrium and he was a Templar. Lyrium is just "makes templar talents more effective" which is just a cover for their way of keeping their soldiers loyal through drugs.

Anybody with the proper discipline can learn the magical abilities of the Templars.

[Foolsfolly]

Not only are they bad ass but they're crazy as hell! Mages have this incredibly destructive power at their finger-tips and Templars have the job of living with and policing these guys.

That takes balls, son.

[WhiteKnyght]

These days we have science that is more potent than any fictional magic. But do we lock up people for crimes they might commit? No.

Locking up all mages for crimes they have the power to commit is wrong. You may as well imprison every person because they could commit a murder if they wanted.(I believe Hawke argued with Aveline over this at one point.)

There are more creative and ethical methods the Chantry and authorities could use to handle mages. But they don't because they are too busy being closed minded zealots. They cant see past one sentence that says "Magic exists to serve man, never to rule over him" which can be interpreted in different ways.(One of which actually bites them in the arse.)

Modifié par The Grey Nayr, 18 mars 2011 - 01:20 .

[Augustei]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

These days we have science that is more potent than any fictional magic. But do we lock up people for crimes they might commit? No.

Locking up all mages for crimes they have the power to commit is wrong. You may as well imprison every person because they could commit a murder if they wanted.(I believe Hawke argued with Aveline over this at one point.)

There are more creative and ethical methods the Chantry and authorities could use to handle mages. But they don't because they are too busy being closed minded zealots. They cant see past one sentence that says "Magic exists to serve man, never to rule over him" which can be interpreted in different ways.(One of which actually bites them in the arse.)

Like I said... Completely different topic.. This isn't a Templars vs mages topic, this isn't a Templars are right topic.. This is a Templars are badass topic.. and regardless of their actions they are still badass.

People can be outright nuts and evil (Which is what some see them as) and still be badass.. Like Dracula, Like Abomination in hulk, Like The Joker in some cases, The Templars. Are badass

[WhiteKnyght]

mrsph wrote...

Scientists also can't set stuff on fire with their minds.

No, but they can cause mass destruction with the press of a button. Look at the A-Bomb, what magic can compare to that?

Bombs, guns, etc. Science has caused more death and destruction in our world than their world can even imagine.

Modifié par The Grey Nayr, 18 mars 2011 - 01:43 .

[Sledge454]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

mrsph wrote...

Scientists also can't set stuff on fire with their minds.

No, but they can cause mass destruction with the press of a button. Look at the A-Bomb, what magic can compare to that?

Didn't Rincewind from Discworld have access to some spell called "power word destroy universe"?  Beats an a-bomb

[KnightofPhoenix]

I agree, the Templars look, sound and feel badass. I always thought they were in Origins, but in DA2, they are more badass.

And as much as I hate fighting the Templar Hunters, they are awesome.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 18 mars 2011 - 01:54 .

[SmokeyTheBear]

I like templars so much my evil mage in DA:O recruited the templars.

And my signature illustrates how only their badd-assery allowed them to pull off a frontal charge against a ranged-heavy force with little casualties.

[Malja]

SmokeyTheBear wrote...

I like templars so much my evil mage in DA:O recruited the templars.

And my signature illustrates how only their badd-assery allowed them to pull off a frontal charge against a ranged-heavy force with little casualties.

That is... a really good point. Holy.

[WhiteKnyght]

Sledge454 wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

mrsph wrote...

Scientists also can't set stuff on fire with their minds.

No, but they can cause mass destruction with the press of a button. Look at the A-Bomb, what magic can compare to that?

Didn't Rincewind from Discworld have access to some spell called "power word destroy universe"?  Beats an a-bomb

Well if you're gonna bring in other media for the debate I can pretty much shut you down with how mages are treated and act in other games/movies.

Harry Potter for example, underage mages are prohibited from using magic outside of school, but once they graduate they are allowed to do it anywhere. And aside from Voldemort and his followers the majority of wizards and witches don't become seduced by power and endanger the whole world as Dragon Age depicts it.

Also The Elder Scrolls games. the mages in that game don't conquer the world. They practice their arts in the Mage's Guild and the only art thats considered evil is Necromancing.

The Fire Emblem games, magic exists alongside everything else and is treated with no anti-sentiment, its just another way to fight.

That said, the only reason magic is treated with such contempt is because they misenterpret a few verses of scripture and make the problem seem worse than what it really is.

Modifié par The Grey Nayr, 18 mars 2011 - 02:09 .

[Augustei]

And.. the look at history where apparently mages screwed over the world

Anyway while on the topic of harry potter, if certain spells from that were in Dragon Age it would be the perfect solution to the circles. That spell where you swear an oath and if you break it you die, the one that Snape takes.

Make all mages swear an oath never to use Maleficarum and if they do, well the spell kills them. the end =D

[Pileyourbodies]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Harry Potter for example, underage mages are prohibited from using magic outside of school, but once they graduate they are allowed to do it anywhere. And aside from Voldemort and his followers the majority of wizards and witches don't become seduced by power and endanger the whole world as Dragon Age depicts it.

Harry potter pretty much seperates muggles and magic also if you break the law in harry potter world you go to a prison guarded by people that feed off your fear at all times and they eat your soul if you escape.

The Grey Nayr wrote...
Also The Elder Scrolls games. the mages in that game don't conquer the world. They practice their arts in the Mage's Guild and the only art thats considered evil is Necromancing.

Uh the major villian in all the elder scrolls game is either a mage or a god.

The Grey Nayr wrote...
The Fire Emblem games, magic exists alongside everything else and is treated with no anti-sentiment, its just another way to fight.

never played

The Grey Nayr wrote...
That said, the only reason magic is treated with such contempt is because they misenterpret a few verses of scripture and make the problem seem worse than what it really is.

Also theres the whole slavery of tevinter with the blood magic and demonic pacts and all.

[Erev Lace]

The scene where they charged the mages made me flinch. I felt actual revulsion.

[Pileyourbodies]

Erev Lace wrote...

The scene where they charged the mages made me flinch. I felt actual revulsion.

What about every scene where the mages turn into abominations? Happens in several fights....

[vigna]

I dunno by the time I fought them in act III I was pretty much exploding all of them pretty readily.

[WhiteKnyght]

XxDeonxX wrote...

And.. the look at history where apparently mages screwed over the world

And that was over 1000 years ago and the only accounting of it that we know of is told by a corrupt Chantry. And the things told about modern day Tevinter are mostly heresay. The biggest problem I see with Tevinter isn't that mages rule, its that they allow slavery.

Also I don't buy that whole, mages invaded heaven and destroyed it and were transformed into monsters that will plague us. Even Avernus said the taint which the darkspawn carry is alien to demons, and they are supposed to be pure evil like the darkspawn. And most of the spirits in the Fade don't even know who the Maker is, and they are supposed to be his first children.

[Augustei]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...

And.. the look at history where apparently mages screwed over the world

And that was over 1000 years ago and the only accounting of it that we know of is told by a corrupt Chantry. And the things told about modern day Tevinter are mostly heresay. The biggest problem I see with Tevinter isn't that mages rule, its that they allow slavery.

Also I don't buy that whole, mages invaded heaven and destroyed it and were transformed into monsters that will plague us. Even Avernus said the taint which the darkspawn carry is alien to demons, and they are supposed to be pure evil like the darkspawn. And most of the spirits in the Fade don't even know who the Maker is, and they are supposed to be his first children.

Wait... What does this have to do with the Templars being badass?

[Lady Danger]

Their uniforms are the only thing I could consider 'bad ass.' Just like Hugo Boss situation, you know. 

Harry potter pretty much seperates muggles and magic also if you break the law in harry potter world you go to a prison guarded by people that feed off your fear at all times and they eat your soul if you escape.

The effectiveness of seperating wizards and muggles in Harry Potter is that the general population is unaware of the existence of magic, except for the leaders of the world and their muggle parents. In Thedas, it's pretty much impossible for mages to simply disappear in a secret world where they aren't prosecuted by non-magical beings like in HP. 

Also, there are no more dementors guarding Azkaban at the end of the Harry Potter books. 

Modifié par Lady Danger, 18 mars 2011 - 06:41 .

[Augustei]

Lady Danger wrote...

Their uniforms are the only thing I could consider 'bad ass.' Just like Hugo Boss situation, you know. 

Harry potter pretty much seperates muggles and magic also if you break the law in harry potter world you go to a prison guarded by people that feed off your fear at all times and they eat your soul if you escape.

The effectiveness of seperating wizards and muggles in Harry Potter is that the general population is unaware of the existence of magic, except for the leaders of the world and their muggle parents. In Thedas, it's pretty much impossible for mages to simply disappear in a secret world where they aren't prosecuted by non-magical beings like in HP. 

Also, there are no more dementors guarding Azkaban at the end of the Harry Potter books. 

What about their theme? heard it? Its pure badassary.. and the scene where they are rushing in to annul the circle.. Brutal, perhaps wrong.. but still extremely badass.

Like Darth Vader or Darth Maul in star wars, they may be evil / corrupt and wrong.. But they are still F**king badass!! lol

[Augustei]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...

And.. the look at history where apparently mages screwed over the world

And that was over 1000 years ago and the only accounting of it that we know of is told by a corrupt Chantry. And the things told about modern day Tevinter are mostly heresay. The biggest problem I see with Tevinter isn't that mages rule, its that they allow slavery.

Also I don't buy that whole, mages invaded heaven and destroyed it and were transformed into monsters that will plague us. Even Avernus said the taint which the darkspawn carry is alien to demons, and they are supposed to be pure evil like the darkspawn. And most of the spirits in the Fade don't even know who the Maker is, and they are supposed to be his first children.

Anyway just because something happened 1000 years ago doesn't mean it should be disregarded.. that'd be kinda, extremely foolish.

The story may not be confirmed but what definitly is the most likely scenario is that magic caused the Darkspawn.. I mean it is really the only primary unknown force capable of doing such a thing.

And even if say the chantry is all wrong and its all lies..... The templars are still ****ing BADASS!!! =D

Modifié par XxDeonxX, 19 mars 2011 - 04:46 .