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[Deadlysyns]

Sandmanifest wrote...

Deadlysyns wrote...

I Agree with Orsino if they are gunna kill you might as well use the most powerful type of magic

Yeah well I don't consider turning into a mess of demonic corpses and trying to kill your best chance at defeating the templars a meaningful gesture. I mean he might have killed like, what, six templars in that little stunt? Then got owned. Pointless. Would have done more helping me fight Meridith instead of going against everything he stood for and accomplishing absolutely nothing in the process lol

how in gods name did he become a cheap Harvester Rip off anyway 

[Augustei]

Sandmanifest wrote...

Yeah, first time I went through as a mage for the mages. Fought BLOOD mages ALL THROUGH KIRKWALL (way to prove a point ANDERS). Second time Templars. Ended up making this sigature banner. 'Nuff said.

Ohh nice, can I use your banner? =D I will put (Made by Sandmanifest) at the end =D

Modifié par XxDeonxX, 19 mars 2011 - 08:48 .

[Andarthiel_Demigod]

Badass? Perhaps but I've developed a bit of a loathing for them, not a fan of religious zealots especially if they're persecuting a minority(even though most are innocent). I even made my second character in DA:O a Blood Mage just to spite those bastards.

[Sandmanifest]

XxDeonxX wrote...

Sandmanifest wrote...

Yeah, first time I went through as a mage for the mages. Fought BLOOD mages ALL THROUGH KIRKWALL (way to prove a point ANDERS). Second time Templars. Ended up making this sigature banner. 'Nuff said.

Ohh nice, can I use your banner? =D I will put (Made by Sandmanifest) at the end =D

Yeah no problem lol

[Erev Lace]

Pileyourbodies wrote...

Erev Lace wrote...

The scene where they charged the mages made me flinch. I felt actual revulsion.

What about every scene where the mages turn into abominations? Happens in several fights....

I felt more of a disappointment and regret in those scenes. The way they charged those mages who were trying to defend themselves, though, that was the real kicker for me.

[NKKKK]

Grey Wardens are the true badasses

[AFCommando]

most mages are blood mages so the templars are right.

[Kenshen]

XxDeonxX wrote...

Not saying they are right or anything, But Damn they are badass.. Their theme, their awesome looking armor and the helmets.. And the video of when they are charging in to annul the circle. They cut through them like butter. I mean... geez. The one with the shield who slams the mage and the slashes another.. That guy needs a promotion, for being so damn badass,

And yeah.. The Theme! Tis so mad.
keep in mind I'm not saying the way they treat mages etc. is good or anything, not saying its bad either. Thats a completely different topic. Just saying. They Are freaking badass! lol

Thoughts? Opinions?

Yep that is why it usually isn't wise to wear a cloth robe to a sword fight.  What surprised me the most is you don't see one mage cast any kind of defensive spell to boost that armor or defense.  Also no mage was healing or raising the fallen.  I guess that only works in our groups.

[allankles]

I wouldn't call the Templars bad ass, and most of the mages they killed in that scene looked like novices, most didn't even react with any kind of magic before getting cut down.

[NKKKK]

Once again, Grey Wardens.

[Sharn01]

The scene did not seem to be badass to me, it seemed more like a bunch of trained soldiers cutting down people who had never been in a fight in their entire lives.

[maegi46]

Qunari are badass, grey wardens are badass. Flemeth is the most badass of all.

[NKKKK]

maegi46 wrote...

Qunari are badass, grey wardens are badass. Flemeth is the most badass of all.

BUA HA HA HA This one I like! 

[Special_Agent_Goodwrench]

Sharn01 wrote...

The scene did not seem to be badass to me, it seemed more like a bunch of trained soldiers cutting down people who had never been in a fight in their entire lives.

This. Massacring people is in no way badass.

I'll admit that Cullen earned lots and lots of respect from me for telling Meredith to shove it. Before that I disliked him immensely. Otherwise, it seems that most nicer templars die (Thrask and what's-his-face who was looking into the murders of women).

[Lithuasil]

DrunkDeadman wrote...


I'll admit that Cullen earned lots and lots of respect from me for telling Meredith to shove it. Before that I disliked him immensely. Otherwise, it seems that most nicer templars die (Thrask and what's-his-face who was looking into the murders of women).

What did Cullen do to earn respect in this scene? About half the garrison of templars available went into the circle, none of them return, and instead a small group of apostates come out, covered in blood.
It is at this point, that meredith decides to face the champion, and Cullen realizes, that with only a dozen templars in the courtyard, he can no longer be sure he's on the winning team. So for the first time, he tries to avoid fighting, cause you know, it's the first time he's expected to stick his neck out himself (the whole wilmod thing he didn't see coming). Then Meredith goes bonkers, the rest of the templars shove it, and suddenly Cullen finds himself with but a single woman on his team. THAT is where he switches sides.
He's not only completely retarded, he's also a massive coward. Even after meredith is dead - go back, look at the cutscene again - you can see the looks he exchanges with hawke - you can clearly see that he wants to interfere, but ultimately lacks the balls to do anything.

[Special_Agent_Goodwrench]

Lithuasil wrote...

DrunkDeadman wrote...


I'll admit that Cullen earned lots and lots of respect from me for telling Meredith to shove it. Before that I disliked him immensely. Otherwise, it seems that most nicer templars die (Thrask and what's-his-face who was looking into the murders of women).

What did Cullen do to earn respect in this scene? About half the garrison of templars available went into the circle, none of them return, and instead a small group of apostates come out, covered in blood.
It is at this point, that meredith decides to face the champion, and Cullen realizes, that with only a dozen templars in the courtyard, he can no longer be sure he's on the winning team. So for the first time, he tries to avoid fighting, cause you know, it's the first time he's expected to stick his neck out himself (the whole wilmod thing he didn't see coming). Then Meredith goes bonkers, the rest of the templars shove it, and suddenly Cullen finds himself with but a single woman on his team. THAT is where he switches sides.
He's not only completely retarded, he's also a massive coward. Even after meredith is dead - go back, look at the cutscene again - you can see the looks he exchanges with hawke - you can clearly see that he wants to interfere, but ultimately lacks the balls to do anything.

I know. It's Cullen. I couldn't stand him before, but he actually drew his blade against Meredith. I'm still not a fan of his, but I respect what he did.

As for being on the wining team, think again. Hawke and few of her/his followers are massively outnumbered when they encounter Meredith for the final time. When Meredith orders the death of Hawke, it goes against Cullen's morals and that's why he turns on her. There were at least 20 templars there, and none of them had the courage to stand up to Meredith. Cullen did what he did not because he wants to join the "winning side", but because he thought it was right. Even after after the rest of templars are ******-scared, he still goes against Meredith.

As for after the battle, yes, I do believe he intended to arrest Hawke, but decided against it. Can't say I blame him.

Modifié par DrunkDeadman, 21 mars 2011 - 03:09 .

[Lithuasil]

DrunkDeadman wrote...


I know. It's Cullen. I couldn't stand him before, but he actually drew his blade against Meredith. I'm still not a fan of his, but I respect what he did.

As for being on the wining team, think again. Hawke and few of her/his followers are massively outnumbered when they encounter Meredith for the final time. When Meredith orders the death of Hawke, it goes against Cullen's morals and that's why he turns on her. There were at least 20 templars there, and none of them had the courage to stand up to Meredith. Cullen did what he did not because he wants to join the "winning side", but because he thought it was right. Even after after the rest of templars are ******-scared, he still goes against Meredith.

As for after the battle, yes, I do believe he intended to arrest Hawke, but decided against it. Can't say I blame him.

Speaking as a female mage, I found him a lot more bearable in Origins.
And seriously - he has no way of knowing Meredith is going to turn super sayan, so there's him, her, and a dozen templars. I.e. not a quarter of the amount of templars that just had their life ended in a blazing orchestra of magical mass murder. He wants to talk things down - not switch sides - and when meredith doesn't take it up kindly, that's where he actually makes a decision to join the side that's more likely to win this immediate battle, rather then just legging it like the other templars do.  (Which could reasonably be expected to be his undoing, no matter who actually wins.) 

I mean, let's face it, Cullen's been Meredith most devoted supporter for the whole game, safe a "convenient change of heart in the last possible moment". Had he spoken up against the unjustified annulment, that'd be worthy of respect, as was what thrask did. Changing sides the last possible moment is just trying to save his own hide and ugly haircut.

[Augustei]

Lithuasil wrote...

DrunkDeadman wrote...


I know. It's Cullen. I couldn't stand him before, but he actually drew his blade against Meredith. I'm still not a fan of his, but I respect what he did.

As for being on the wining team, think again. Hawke and few of her/his followers are massively outnumbered when they encounter Meredith for the final time. When Meredith orders the death of Hawke, it goes against Cullen's morals and that's why he turns on her. There were at least 20 templars there, and none of them had the courage to stand up to Meredith. Cullen did what he did not because he wants to join the "winning side", but because he thought it was right. Even after after the rest of templars are ******-scared, he still goes against Meredith.

As for after the battle, yes, I do believe he intended to arrest Hawke, but decided against it. Can't say I blame him.

Speaking as a female mage, I found him a lot more bearable in Origins.
And seriously - he has no way of knowing Meredith is going to turn super sayan, so there's him, her, and a dozen templars. I.e. not a quarter of the amount of templars that just had their life ended in a blazing orchestra of magical mass murder. He wants to talk things down - not switch sides - and when meredith doesn't take it up kindly, that's where he actually makes a decision to join the side that's more likely to win this immediate battle, rather then just legging it like the other templars do.  (Which could reasonably be expected to be his undoing, no matter who actually wins.) 

I mean, let's face it, Cullen's been Meredith most devoted supporter for the whole game, safe a "convenient change of heart in the last possible moment". Had he spoken up against the unjustified annulment, that'd be worthy of respect, as was what thrask did. Changing sides the last possible moment is just trying to save his own hide and ugly haircut.

More Likely winning side? Yeah if he had the power of Forsight.. He couldn't even have known if the other Templars would have backed down or not. They could just as likely sided with Meredith but he took the risk of that as well.

And... As a mage you liked him better in origins? What? How? Hes gone from "You cant spare a single mage, kill them all!" to "We should spare these surrendering mages" - "No, you cannot arrest the champion"

If he was really a coward he would have legged it when Meredith jumped 50 feet in the air. But he stayed and stood his ground

Modifié par XxDeonxX, 21 mars 2011 - 10:30 .

[The Lesser Evil]

Lithuasil wrote...
I mean, let's face it, Cullen's been Meredith most devoted supporter for the whole game, safe a "convenient change of heart in the last possible moment".

Fact is that Cullen starts questioning Meredith's methods and person well before the end of the game, something you'd learn if you took a moment of your time to speak with him at the Gallows in each act.

[Lithuasil]

XxDeonxX wrote...

More Likely winning side? Yeah if he had the power of Forsight.. He couldn't even have known if the other Templars would have backed down or not. They could just as likely sided with Meredith but he took the risk of that as well.

And... As a mage you liked him better in origins? What? How? Hes gone from "You cant spare a single mage, kill them all!" to "We should spare these surrendering mages" - "No, you cannot arrest the champion"

If he was really a coward he would have legged it when Meredith jumped 50 feet in the air. But he stayed and stood his ground

At any rate, there's far less templars in that courtyard, then just went in the circle, you know, five seconds before the screaming started and Hawke came waltzing out. And that, the moment Cullen realizes he might have to do some fighting, and from the frontline of all things, is when he starts peace negotiations. That's when Meredith points soul calibur at him, and at that point, meredith dying is the best chance he has to leave the whole affair unscathed (and all the other templars have legged it by then).

And in origins, provided you're a female mage, Cullen is a pretty decent character - one that's deeply influenced by the terrors he has seen and the zealotry that has dominated his life, but is beginning to question his beliefs, since affection towards an individual forces him to realize that not all mages are one and the same. In the second installment however, he's back to fullblown fanatism, and on several occasions displays nigh immersion breaking retardation and the overall situational awareness of a freshly cemented brick wall.

[Augustei]

Lithuasil wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...

More Likely winning side? Yeah if he had the power of Forsight.. He couldn't even have known if the other Templars would have backed down or not. They could just as likely sided with Meredith but he took the risk of that as well.

And... As a mage you liked him better in origins? What? How? Hes gone from "You cant spare a single mage, kill them all!" to "We should spare these surrendering mages" - "No, you cannot arrest the champion"

If he was really a coward he would have legged it when Meredith jumped 50 feet in the air. But he stayed and stood his ground

At any rate, there's far less templars in that courtyard, then just went in the circle, you know, five seconds before the screaming started and Hawke came waltzing out. And that, the moment Cullen realizes he might have to do some fighting, and from the frontline of all things, is when he starts peace negotiations. That's when Meredith points soul calibur at him, and at that point, meredith dying is the best chance he has to leave the whole affair unscathed (and all the other templars have legged it by then).

And in origins, provided you're a female mage, Cullen is a pretty decent character - one that's deeply influenced by the terrors he has seen and the zealotry that has dominated his life, but is beginning to question his beliefs, since affection towards an individual forces him to realize that not all mages are one and the same. In the second installment however, he's back to fullblown fanatism, and on several occasions displays nigh immersion breaking retardation and the overall situational awareness of a freshly cemented brick wall.

Yeah and when she leapsfifthy feet in the air, he could easily just run off with the others.. And he was disagreeing with Meredith before The Champion even arrived at the Gallows.

If he sided with Meredith its very highly possible all the other Templars would have stayed there.. And Im pretty sure taking on Meredith, Cullen and all the templars would have proved a struggle.. if Hawke could take on 20 templars why bother hiding from them all those years of his life anyway? He struggled enough with just Meredith.. taking on her + 20 Templars would have killed him.

If you side with the Templars he risks his hide before he even sees what The Champion can do, Questioning his Superior,

And he wasn't back to fullblown fanatism in the second game.. he was back to it when you arrive at the circle tower, If you didn't Annul the circle in origins he doesn't take it well... He was sent to Kirkwall for a reason. And going against his superiors wishes to spare mages doesn't really seem like fanatism to me...

[Lithuasil]

XxDeonxX wrote...

Yeah and when she leapsfifthy feet in the air, he could easily just run off with the others.. And he was disagreeing with Meredith before The Champion even arrived at the Gallows.

If he sided with Meredith its very highly possible all the other Templars would have stayed there.. And Im pretty sure taking on Meredith, Cullen and all the templars would have proved a struggle.. if Hawke could take on 20 templars why bother hiding from them all those years of his life anyway? He struggled enough with just Meredith.. taking on her + 20 Templars would have killed him.

If you side with the Templars he risks his hide before he even sees what The Champion can do, Questioning his Superior,

And he wasn't back to fullblown fanatism in the second game.. he was back to it when you arrive at the circle tower, If you didn't Annul the circle in origins he doesn't take it well... He was sent to Kirkwall for a reason. And going against his superiors wishes to spare mages doesn't really seem like fanatism to me...

By the time Meredith goes super sayan, the courtyard is barred off - and by that time, he has stuck his neck out already, so deserting the field would do him harm if insane meredith won, and if the champion won. By that time, he has already (unwillingly, since he wanted peace-talk) gambled on one side winning.
I'm not sure if you speak in lore or game terms here - in terms of gameplay, I certainly didn't struggle with meredith, and having a handfull of templars around would've likely made the thing easier. Lorewise, what cullen sees is a few dozen templars charging in, and only the champion, covered in blood, coming out. At this point, it's somewhat unlikely the templars could take the champion without suffering losses, and Cullen is standing in the front lines.

And go ahead, play origins as a female mage again - it'll change your perception of origins-Cullen greatly. And while we can argue all day about how brave, or cowardly, and just how fanatic he is - there's pretty much no denying the plain retardation of the guy. It can be somewhat handwaved for the other templars, but Cullen himself simply has absolutely no excuse for not noticing apostate hawke, and her apostate companionship. And the guy doesn't overlook it once, but like three times throughout the course of the game. By the time he shows up during "Best served cold", that retardation alone, made me desperately want to murder the guy, just because.