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[Malysoun]

Athro wrote...

There is a pretty awesome "robe" called Robe of the Pirate or something like that - it's a leather jerkin with a big black pirate shirt and pants. It's not excellent, but it is good and causes enemies to drop more money than normal. I used it throughout all of Act 2 because I agree - the robes are kind of naff.

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One of my current mages is wearing that Pirate robe.
It looks almost like the neverwinter rogue's tunic with belt pouches and such.

While the idea of armor being an ecumberance and difficult to cast in does make a bit of sense for most fantasy settings, flowing robes have a tendency to get snagged on everything.

[viverravid]

The jarring practice of templars going on an anti-mage rant to a party full of robed people with floating staves on their backs would not be so jarring if your mages took to wearing less mage-y clothes.

[hobbit of the shire]

I don't mind robes, just the design of them. Warrior armor looks intimidating, big and protective. That's sort of what they need.... to taunt, scare and protect them in their tank-ish tendencies. Mage wear should demonstrate their intent, too. Mages that we play I agree aren't usually Circle-confined academics. They are combat mages. So, yes, their clothing needs to be functional. I would imagine their type of armor to be very magic-infused and mystical. It's not measured by the physical thickness but rather the enchantments on it. So, some specialty light armor or some functional robes would be logical. Having the clothing non-class-specific as in DA2 makes sense. A mage probably isn't the bulky strong type to use lots of the heavy armor, but it's available to them should you want to play a mage like that. So, I'd like to see a few regular pieces of mage armor but also robes, but robes that don't look so dorky and nerdy. Something that exudes "I got the power, fear me" attitude, in a magical, arcane type of way. Combat mage robes shouldn't look like monk or priest robes.

Just bought a robe from the Mage Goods vendor. Looks better than her original boring armor, but oh dear, what are those belts? It looks like she's wearing a codpiece! :-P

[Gavinthelocust]

Because mages are a horny bunch and robes are easy to remove. Simple logic really.

[MasterSamson88]

I didn't mind the look of the mage robes in DA2 per say... but I agree, some kind of mage armor would be nice at the very least. Or at least more robes like Anders, where I basically have a big coat or something but then actual boots underneath that are showing.

My main problem with Mage robes are that they're just so long.

[Blood-Lord Thanatos]

templar armor looks like an armored robe.

[Vengal345]

Maybe leather armor has lots of buttons and latches so only the most cunning of people can successfully put it on.

I think the most lore oriented reason would just be that its unneeded for a mage to wear heavy armor. Armor weighs a lot, i mean a full set of armor could be anywhere from 55-80 lbs. Thats a lot of strain on a person to wear at all times. Especially if you have to run or preform mechanical tasks.

A good counter argument would be that mages can teleport and their biggest threat is getting caught by physical attacks. However you could easily build a pure casting mage with high str and con to wear plate.

[Alelsa]

B3taMaxxx wrote...

I can understand 'strength' requirements, but when has someone needed 'cunning' to slip on a pair of jeans?

Because otherwise we have people hopping around because they shoved both legs in the same hole.

[Shockwave07]

The mage robes in this are an improvement on DOA but that's not saying much... Practically everything in that game for a male mage was:sick:

Some decent mage armour would be great, hell I don't care even if it doesn't provide any actual armour benefits in game and just functions like robes do, just as long as it looks good.

[GammaRayJim]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

GammaRayJim wrote...

I agree wholeheartedly I think the mage robes are the silliest things I have ever seen. I fear doing a mage playthrough and have to watch Hawke run around dressed only in a bathrobe...aaaarrrrrgggghhhh.

I haven't worn a robe yet on my mage playthrough. *shrug*

Good to know I haven't done a playthrough as a mage yet....Thanks!!!

[Kendaric Varkellen]

The robes look fine in DA2 for the most part. Sure, it feels somewhat odd running around the streets (especially in the Gallows) looking like a mage and no one taking notice of it, but that's a trade-off I'm willing to take in order to keep at least some common fantasy themes in the game.

And as others have said, nothing stops you from using other armors if you meet their requirements (or use a mod that removes the stat restrictions). Will you be weaker? Yes, but that's a trade-off for a choice you make. There's nothing wrong with going for style over substance, it's not like you can't play unless you min/max.

[Phonantiphon]

They don't.
Mine isn't.

[Hibernating]

You dont have to, there are alot of mage armors that arnt robes. If you go smuggler option to get into kirkwall you get an ok set of armor for that chapter which is just a jacket and pants.
Also mages would have there clothes made at the circle by enchanters, where are they going to get the smiths and the metals to craft?

[EmperorZorn]

Mages wear robes because they rip open easier when they turn into demons. >_>

Modifié par EmperorZorn, 17 mars 2011 - 01:16 .

[Scottish TaZeR]

The robes suck... I started using Heavy Armour but the stat restrictions sucks... Arcane Warrior was the Dog's Bollocks....

[Noviere]

I never thought I'd be anti-robes, considering how much I hated their absence in prior games(NWN). But the whole apostate thing had me wondering why Hawke would even wear robes in Kirkwall on several occasions. I kept the starter mage outfit for a long time, simply because it looked less conspicuous.

Of course, if Bioware had not made mage robes, people would complain about that too.

[EmperorZorn]

From now on, all mages should wear g-strings.

[Phonantiphon]

Also,
Has the OP actually played the game?
Does s/he know what mage Hawke starts the game wearing?
Has s/he not actually investigated the equipment options at all, in the game?
Clearly not I would suggest, if you're gonna criticise at least do it from a point of empirical evidence...

[Chaos_1001]

Honestly , the whole point of a "mage" wearing robes/cloth armor is this..In the traditional sense of Dungeons and Dragons the mage/wizard/sorcerer class had to concentrate on the casting of their spells. Meaning they used various components, arcane gestures, verbal components and many movement-based rituals. What all that means is because of how demanding a task it is to cast their spells, being weighted down, overburdoning armor, severe distractions and so forth took away from their focus on casting said spells. i.e. a "negative penalty" to spell casting and the like.So if a mage is fully decked to the teeth in heavy plate armor, weighted down with various items and distracted by (for instance) being drunk off their arse their chances of casting even a minor cantrip are close to if not less than 2%.

[Taura-Tierno]

I also thought about that. Why wear robes in a city where the templars are ruled by zealous fanatic? A dead givaway. It would be nice if they did something more innovative with the mage gear for future products

[Hobosapien]

I'm just glad they added better looking headgear for mages.

[Element Zero]

Though you can wear other armours, the robes definitely provide the most beneficial boosts to Mages. I didn't find armours worth the investment in other ability scores.

Robes do look much better in this game than in DAO. At least they had the foresight to give us a few more options.

As an aside, I am very thankful for the "Hide Helmet" option in the Interface. Some of the headgear is just silly. My Rogue is currently wearing a hideous helmet, that is mercifully hidden. Before I discovered this feature, my Mage was stuck with a mis-matched hood for hours. To someone as clothing conscious as I, this was annoying.

Modifié par tallrickruush, 17 mars 2011 - 02:23 .

[grumpymooselion]

I've come across three non-robe Mage armors, actually. The Champion's armor being the one you, probably, ultimately use end game.

[grumpymooselion]

Taura-Tierno wrote...

I also thought about that. Why wear robes in a city where the templars are ruled by zealous fanatic? A dead givaway. It would be nice if they did something more innovative with the mage gear for future products

Why carry around a staff at all? Why use magic in a fight when people can obviously see you?

Personally I loved the Champion's end game Mage Armor. Except for the hood. Not because it was a hood. But because like so many of the hoods in the game, even hoods to sets, it didn't match the rest of the set. Yes I know you can hide the head pieces but still . . .

Modifié par Janan Pacha, 17 mars 2011 - 02:31 .

[james1976]

Si-Shen wrote...

Part of it is tradition, the other part, RP aspects, leather actually restricts movement more then robes, and mages tend to require maximum movemt to cast. Frankly armored mages would just blend in and be forgotten, they need to stand out and robes make them stand out. Soft and squishy with a big magical kick is a mage by definition.

Also back in the AD&D days I remember an explanation that said that most armor interrupts the flow of magic and it's source.  It's too restrictive for mages.  Most mages aren't strong enough to wear some armors.  Certain armors could be worn because they didn't restrict movement and such, they were lighter and magically enchanted to allow even fighter mages to perform.  Mostly rare suits of elven chain for example. 

So that too ties into the tradition of mages in RPGs.  It is a balance thing as much as a roleplay thing.  And it's been around for a very long time.  30 years or more?