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[Chaos_1001]

hakwea wrote...

Chaos_1001 wrote...
The only thing you have provided in your part of the debate here is a picture of Merrill . We addressed that. You disagreed with me a basically said I was full of it. I'm ok with a disagreement but what you are doing ,not so much. You are throwing a mixture of hatred and quasi game mechanics in my face to make yourself "appear intelligent" it quite honestly is not working.

Did you not look at the image of merril, and how it shows her full armor, except for the bend of the elbow, covered in chain mail? Did you not look at the image of merril and see that where the cloth doesn't cover her torso it is covered in chain mail? The only one say "you are full of it" and thats it is you. You ignore what is pointed out and just say no one has provided anything so I'm right you are wrong.

Chaos_1001 wrote...
Here is an example of how "proof" is really delivered...

Magic attribute--

increases spellpowerby 1 for each point purchased
increases effectiveness of potions, poultices and salves
contributes to mental resistances

Directly quoted from none other than the strategy guide GO LOOK IT UP

Typing something here isn't proof. You pointed that out when you wouldn't take others words as proof. You don't even accept something as proof when a screenshot of the game is posted. Also the validity of your proof is suspect since there is no mental resistence in the DA2. There is physical, magical, and five elemental resistences (Fire, Ice, Earth, Lightning, and Spirit). You don't have to take my word for it, load up your game. Go to the character menu and click on the attributes option. No mental resistence listed, and none in the instruction manual. There is also no spellpower in DA2. Only DA:O had spellpower and Magic stats.

The info about the magic attribute you have posted is from DA:O not DA2. So perhaps you should go look up the mechanics of DA2 when discussing DA2. I suggest starting with the DA2 manual. And you should do so before saying others use arrogance and lack of knowledge.

Chaos_1001 wrote...
You showed a picture which in fact Bioware / EA never mentioned one damn time what it was actually made of in the first place. You are going with an assumption on that alone. The other points you honestly are completly full of bs. I gave you actual acredited proof of why you are in fact full of bs. You honestly have no clue as to how the game mechannics work in their entirety and "attempted" to use your lack of knowledge and arrogance to your advantage. It backfired big time.

I'm not assuming it is made of metal, it clearly is. You even admitted to such. You are only now saying her chain-mail is not made of metal because I provided an irrefutable image of her torso and arms covered by chain mail. The post you said it was metal: http://social.biowar...95194/5#6831553 and I qoute "Merrill's "outfit" is not a full chainmail suit. It is not a plate suit either. In fact it is a hybrid suit made of many components mostly favoring cloth. Take a very close look at it. Where is the bulk of the metal pieces you keep saying "breaks the lore all-together? Not in the chest or arms. Which again prooves me right on this."

So why all of a sudden do you not accept her chain-mail and outfit as containing metal?



Also What full accreddited proof did you give? You provide no links. No images. No direct qoutes from Bioware/EA. You only typed something. So why is whatever you type automatically accredited proof? But what anyone else types, provides links, and images to not?  A strategy guide also isn't made by bioware/EA. Look it up, another company releases it. One called Piggyback entertainment.

Ahh so you in fact are denying that Bioware / EA gave their ok in creating the strategy guide ? IE their approval ? You seriously made me LOL in real life on that. And as to accredited links, I said wikias , fansites and someone's blog is not applicable in a true debate.Which is 100% FACT ! To further prove my point since you are in fact soooo intelligent, try using a wikia , fansite or jim bob's blog for the bassis of making a thesis !

Like I said before

Nice try  

[Deified Data]

So true, so true. This is why I stuck with my initial Smugglers Outfit for the entirety of Act I, and upgraded to the pirate's outfit in Act II. Robes really aren't useful enough to constantly require upgrading - that's what Rock Armor is for. For me, aesthetics is king. I won't wear an outfit I find ugly, even if it's powerful.

[Farlington]

Warriors and rogues require years of extensive training to perfect their craft wereas mages only have to think really hard for a short time to cast a spell. Therefore mages are lazy and can't be bothered getting dressed in the mornings.

And that is why I'm still dressed in my bathrobe at 20 past 10 in the evening. But without the having to cast spells part. Or the thinking really hard...

[Chaos_1001]

Farlington wrote...

Warriors and rogues require years of extensive training to perfect their craft wereas mages only have to think really hard for a short time to cast a spell. Therefore mages are lazy and can't be bothered getting dressed in the mornings.

And that is why I'm still dressed in my bathrobe at 20 past 10 in the evening. But without the having to cast spells part. Or the thinking really hard...

Hehe

[Medhia Nox]

@Raanz - I did think that's what you were implying, on that aspect I certainly stand corrected.

As for giving permission to disagree with me - I'm totally cool like that.

[Dark83]

If I could bend reality to my whim and had the power to incinerate anyone who'd dare laugh at my bathrobe, I'd probably wander around in it too.

The worst thing about Twilight isn't the sparkly vampires. The worst part about it isn't even the books themselves - it's that there is actually a notable segment of the population who are in love with the creepiest stalker ever, and idolize one of the most worthless and self-destructive set-backs for feminism in this generation.

[hakwea]

Chaos_1001 wrote...
Ahh so you in fact are denying that Bioware / EA gave their ok in creating the strategy guide ? IE their approval ? You seriously made me LOL in real life on that. And as to accredited links, I said wikias , fansites and someone's blog is not applicable in a true debate.Which is 100% FACT ! To further prove my point since you are in fact soooo intelligent, try using a wikia , fansite or jim bob's blog for the bassis of making a thesis !

Like I said before

Nice try  

You denied that EA/BIOWARE gave merril metal chain mail. Denied mages could wear metal outfits. Denied merril's outfit was even made of metal.  Yet it all appears in the game EA/Bioware created. So why is a strategy guide created by a seperate company more fact and more accredited then experinces from the actual game?

We are supposed to take your word at what is in a fictious DA2 strategy guide with DA:O info. But you won't even accept something as Fact when you are shown a screenshot from in-game showing it as fact. Who are you that what ever you type or speak is automatically "accredited". That you don't have to provide any images, or links to an official source?

You make everyone else jump through hoops to show basic info of the game. Insult people when they show you. Say facts are opinions. Post false information claiming it is an accredited fact. Continue saying people are wrong and your info is right when you are show multiple places that it is wrong.  You keep questioning my intelligence but keep posting out of your behind. Its clear who the intelligent one here is, and who the ignorant one is.

Modifié par hakwea, 29 mars 2011 - 11:11 .

[Chaos_1001]

hakwea wrote...

Chaos_1001 wrote...
Ahh so you in fact are denying that Bioware / EA gave their ok in creating the strategy guide ? IE their approval ? You seriously made me LOL in real life on that. And as to accredited links, I said wikias , fansites and someone's blog is not applicable in a true debate.Which is 100% FACT ! To further prove my point since you are in fact soooo intelligent, try using a wikia , fansite or jim bob's blog for the bassis of making a thesis !

Like I said before

Nice try  

You denied that EA/BIOWARE gave merril metal chain mail. Denied mages could wear metal outfits. Denied merril's outfit was even made of metal.  Yet it all appears in the game EA/Bioware created. So why is a strategy guide created by a seperate company more fact and more accredited then experinces from the actual game?

We are supposed to take your word at what is in a fictious DA2 strategy guide with DA:O info. But you won't even accept something as Fact when you are shown a screenshot from in-game showing it as fact. Who are you that what ever you type or speak is automatically "accredited". That you don't have to provide any images, or links to an official source?

You make everyone else jump through hoops to show basic info of the game. Insult people when they show you. Say facts are opinions. Post false information claiming it is an accredited fact. Continue saying people are wrong and your info is right when you are show multiple places that it is wrong.  You keep questioning my intelligence but keep posting out of your behind. Its clear who the intelligent one here is, and who the ignorant one is.

This is where you are going with this I think..


You denied that EA/BIOWARE gave merril metal chain mail. Denied mages could wear metal outfits. Denied merril's outfit was even made of metal. 

This is in fact what I actually said --


I never once said that Da O or DA 2 followed the lore "exclusively" but I did in fact did say that they allowed for flexibility of the lore but at the same time still held true to it.

My exact statement covering that --

While the Dragon Age Universe does in fact allow for a bit flexibility. It still holds true to the original lore from ages past. For instance, A mage can wear a plate suit but has to..

A. Spend a lot of wasted attribute points in strength to equip it.
B. Gets no real benifit out of the statistics it gives. (IE increased magic ?)

 So why is a strategy guide created by a seperate company more fact and more accredited then experinces from the actual game?

Well since the entire dev team signed Dragon Age Origins Collector's Edition Strategy Guide AND  Mike Laidlaw himself gave a personal introduction and forward in Dragon Age 2 Collector's Edition Strategy Guide yeah ...

We are supposed to take your word at what is in a fictious DA2 strategy guide with DA:O info. But you won't even accept something as Fact when you are shown a screenshot from in-game showing it as fact. Who are you that what ever you type or speak is automatically "accredited". That you don't have to provide any images, or links to an official source?     


see above ^

You make everyone else jump through hoops to show basic info of the game. Insult people when they show you. Say facts are opinions. Post false information claiming it is an accredited fact. Continue saying people are wrong and your info is right when you are show multiple places that it is wrong.  You keep questioning my intelligence but keep posting out of your behind. Its clear who the intelligent one here is, and who the ignorant one is.

Your post as it directly relates to your "intelligence"

Potions are not increased by the characters magic attribute, let alone a health potion doing such.  
  
and my response--
Here is an example of how "proof" is really delivered...

Magic attribute--

increases spellpowerby 1 for each point purchased
increases effectiveness of potions, poultices and salves
contributes to mental resistances

Directly quoted from none other than the strategy guide GO LOOK IT UP

oh and to really drive this home

http://www.amazon.co...01443601&sr=8-2

http://www.amazon.co.../ref=pd_sim_b_2

So there you have it..

Lets recap here ...

My proof consists of two accrecited sources and the lore in general.

Your proof consists of a picture that is open to suggestion and a lot of idiotic ranting,.

I could have sworn I said this before...

Nice try

[zambingo]

Reply to OP:

I agree that robes sorta blow, but at least armor isn't restricted to class. The Pirate outfit in Act 2 is coolbeans too.

My biggest complaint with Dragon Age and Apostates however isn't robes... it's staffs.

If you're an apostate what freaking sense does it make to carry about a massive magic staff?

NONE!

Wands should be available. Perhaps make them less powerful, but more accurate. Wands can be hidden in pockets, or belts. Much harder for a Templar to spot that. As for Melee well, the staff now has a sword blade on it, some have axe blades. So why can't a Wand have a dagger or Murder Knife blade on the handle?

Down with Robes.

Up with Wands!

[Tereval]

To hide their big staffs.

[ginzaen]

priest/mage/warlock classes usually use robes- it's like the style of a wizard i suppose?

[sonsonthebia07]

zambingo wrote...

Reply to OP:

I agree that robes sorta blow, but at least armor isn't restricted to class. The Pirate outfit in Act 2 is coolbeans too.

My biggest complaint with Dragon Age and Apostates however isn't robes... it's staffs.

If you're an apostate what freaking sense does it make to carry about a massive magic staff?

NONE!

Wands should be available. Perhaps make them less powerful, but more accurate. Wands can be hidden in pockets, or belts. Much harder for a Templar to spot that. As for Melee well, the staff now has a sword blade on it, some have axe blades. So why can't a Wand have a dagger or Murder Knife blade on the handle?

Down with Robes.

Up with Wands!

But you need the staff so you can place it in the receptacle in Tal Rasha's tomb!

[sheppard7]

Use Sunnie's mod to get the champion armor at level 1 and be done with it.

[hakwea]

Chaos_1001 wrote...

You denied that EA/BIOWARE gave merril metal chain mail. Denied mages could wear metal outfits. Denied merril's outfit was even made of metal. 

This is in fact what I actually said --


I never once said that Da O or DA 2 followed the lore "exclusively" but I did in fact did say that they allowed for flexibility of the lore but at the same time still held true to it.

My exact statement covering that --

While the Dragon Age Universe does in fact allow for a bit flexibility. It still holds true to the original lore from ages past. For instance, A mage can wear a plate suit but has to..

A. Spend a lot of wasted attribute points in strength to equip it.
B. Gets no real benifit out of the statistics it gives. (IE increased magic ?)

Can you read? What part of that has to do with you saying merrils outfit isn't metal because Bioware/EA never specifically stated what it is made of? You said "You showed a picture which in fact Bioware / EA never mentioned one damn time what it was actually made of in the first place." in post http://social.biowar...5194/5#6833839. None of which has to do with your original statement. All that has to do with merril's picture and what material she is wearing.

 So why is a strategy guide created by a seperate company more fact and more accredited then experinces from the actual game?

Well since the entire dev team signed Dragon Age Origins Collector's Edition Strategy Guide AND  Mike Laidlaw himself gave a personal introduction and forward in Dragon Age 2 Collector's Edition Strategy Guide yeah ...

And the entire dev time didn't make the game? Again why is something you type out supposed to be taken on your word. But things other people type out you won't accept until they provide official sources in images, and then won't even accept the images from the official sources. Besides what does the Dragon Age Origins Strategy guide have to do with this? Guess we know you truly were lying when you said you got the magic attribute information from the DA2 guide.

The DA2 strategy guide doesn't state what you said it does. So you are lying. You provided no proof that what you said really game from the DA2 strategy guide. So please provide an accredited source. Just saying it comes from something isn't good enough. Just like me and others saying merril wore metal wasn't good enough and you only began to accept it when I posted a picture.

Your post as it directly relates to your "intelligence"

That makes zero sense. You posted nothing to show how my post directly relates to my intelligence. Stop attacking me and start defending your claims.

Potions are not increased by the characters magic attribute, let alone a health potion doing such.  
  
and my response--
Here is an example of how "proof" is really delivered...

Magic attribute--

increases spellpowerby 1 for each point purchased
increases effectiveness of potions, poultices and salves
contributes to mental resistances

Directly quoted from none other than the strategy guide GO LOOK IT UP

oh and to really drive this home

http://www.amazon.co...01443601&sr=8-2

http://www.amazon.co.../ref=pd_sim_b_2

So there you have it..

Lets recap here ...

My proof consists of two accrecited sources and the lore in general.

Your proof consists of a picture that is open to suggestion and a lot of idiotic ranting,.

I could have sworn I said this before...

Nice try

Are you dense? You have to provide proof that the magic attribute actually comes from the DA2 strategy guide. I told you merril wore metal armor in DA2 but you didn't believe it until I showed you the picture. So why won't you provide more proof? Besides you keep talking about the Origins guide when it has no relevance here. Which again is why the info you claim as proof isn't proof. Because what you typed and are calling a direct qoute  it is talking about POTIONS IN DRAGON AGE ORIGINS not potions in dragon age 2. Read you game manual.


Again provide actual proof that the magic attribute is described that way in the dragon age 2 guide. Links to products is proof the guide exists, not proof of what is in the guide. You can easily provide actual proof by showing where in DA2 is mental resistence tracked. Where on the character sheet does it show spellpower? But as I've said you won't because mental resistence was in Origins, not DA2.

From the DA2 Strategy guide located at http://na.llnet.biow...ck_guide-en.pdf (different languages cant be found at http://dragonage.bio...da2/info/tips/ 

• "Broadly speaking, enemies can possess some form of resistance or susceptibility to physical or magical damage. This explains why an opponent might wither under an arcane barrage yet stand tall in the face of whirling blades and whistling arrows.
• There are five distinct “elements” in Dragon Age II:fire cold electricity spirit natureEnemies can possess a resistance to elements graded on a scale of one (light resistance) to five (immunity) or a two-level susceptibility: vulnerable and highly vulnerable. If an enemy has neither, elemental attacks will cause standard damage.

That is a direct copy and paste from the official strategy guide for DA2. Why doesn't it mention your mental resistence? If the magic attribute increases mental resistence, then surely it would be listed in the strategy guide as a type of resistence. The strategy guide just mentions fire, nature, cold, electricty, magic and physical. Now for what it actually says about the magic attribute in the official DA2 strategy guide:

• MAGIC
• This attribute determines the attack and damage of a mage when wielding a staff in combat, as well as the potency of their spells. Attribute points placed here also increase magic resistance, though the increase per point is so small that it is unwise for other classes to waste them here.

Funny why does the copy I am looking at differ from your copy? Could you have actually been "directly qouting" from the DA:O strategy guide? Instead of the DA2 strategy guide?


And how is a picture open to suggestion and idiotic rambling? It shows exactly what is the case. It shows merril wearing a suit of chain mail armor that covers her arms and torso, with a cloth smock. There is nothing suggestive about it. Its clear she is wearing metal chain-mail. You even stated she was.wearing chain mail.

So why are you contradicting yourself by now saying she isn't wearing metal or chain mail?

Modifié par hakwea, 30 mars 2011 - 02:01 .

[Conduit0]

@Hakwea: Now you see why I gave up.


I think what many of us are trying to get across is that the classical image of the wizard no longer fits the modern interpretation. The modern RPG mage is an adventurer, someone who is acustomed to danger and acclimated to life on the battlefield, they are not feeble and physically inept, they are fearsome combatents who merely trade swords and arrows for magical staves and spells. The appearance of the mage should reflect this modern interpretation, they should wear clothing that befits someome who chooses to live a life of constant peril.

[Chaos_1001]

hakwea wrote...

Chaos_1001 wrote...

You denied that EA/BIOWARE gave merril metal chain mail. Denied mages could wear metal outfits. Denied merril's outfit was even made of metal. 

This is in fact what I actually said --


I never once said that Da O or DA 2 followed the lore "exclusively" but I did in fact did say that they allowed for flexibility of the lore but at the same time still held true to it.

My exact statement covering that --

While the Dragon Age Universe does in fact allow for a bit flexibility. It still holds true to the original lore from ages past. For instance, A mage can wear a plate suit but has to..

A. Spend a lot of wasted attribute points in strength to equip it.
B. Gets no real benifit out of the statistics it gives. (IE increased magic ?)

Can you read? What part of that has to do with you saying merrils outfit isn't metal because Bioware/EA never specifically stated what it is made of? You said "You showed a picture which in fact Bioware / EA never mentioned one damn time what it was actually made of in the first place." in post http://social.biowar...5194/5#6833839. None of which has to do with your original statement. All that has to do with merril's picture and what material she is wearing.

 So why is a strategy guide created by a seperate company more fact and more accredited then experinces from the actual game?

Well since the entire dev team signed Dragon Age Origins Collector's Edition Strategy Guide AND  Mike Laidlaw himself gave a personal introduction and forward in Dragon Age 2 Collector's Edition Strategy Guide yeah ...

And the entire dev time didn't make the game? Again why is something you type out supposed to be taken on your word. But things other people type out you won't accept until they provide official sources in images, and then won't even accept the images from the official sources. Besides what does the Dragon Age Origins Strategy guide have to do with this? Guess we know you truly were lying when you said you got the magic attribute information from the DA2 guide.

The DA2 strategy guide doesn't state what you said it does. So you are lying. You provided no proof that what you said really game from the DA2 strategy guide. So please provide an accredited source. Just saying it comes from something isn't good enough. Just like me and others saying merril wore metal wasn't good enough and you only began to accept it when I posted a picture.

Your post as it directly relates to your "intelligence"

That makes zero sense. You posted nothing to show how my post directly relates to my intelligence. Stop attacking me and start defending your claims.

Potions are not increased by the characters magic attribute, let alone a health potion doing such.  
  
and my response--
Here is an example of how "proof" is really delivered...

Magic attribute--

increases spellpowerby 1 for each point purchased
increases effectiveness of potions, poultices and salves
contributes to mental resistances

Directly quoted from none other than the strategy guide GO LOOK IT UP

oh and to really drive this home

http://www.amazon.co...01443601&sr=8-2

http://www.amazon.co.../ref=pd_sim_b_2

So there you have it..

Lets recap here ...

My proof consists of two accrecited sources and the lore in general.

Your proof consists of a picture that is open to suggestion and a lot of idiotic ranting,.

I could have sworn I said this before...

Nice try

Are you dense? You have to provide proof that the magic attribute actually comes from the DA2 strategy guide. I told you merril wore metal armor in DA2 but you didn't believe it until I showed you the picture. So why won't you provide more proof? Besides you keep talking about the Origins guide when it has no relevance here. Which again is why the info you claim as proof isn't proof. Because what you typed and are calling a direct qoute  it is talking about POTIONS IN DRAGON AGE ORIGINS not potions in dragon age 2. Read you game manual.


Again provide actual proof that the magic attribute is described that way in the dragon age 2 guide. Links to products is proof the guide exists, not proof of what is in the guide. You can easily provide actual proof by showing where in DA2 is mental resistence tracked. Where on the character sheet does it show spellpower? But as I've said you won't because mental resistence was in Origins, not DA2.

And how is a picture open to suggestion and idiotic rambling? It shows exactly what is the case. It shows merril wearing a suit of chain mail armor that covers her arms and torso, with a cloth smock. There is nothing suggestive about it. Its clear she is wearing metal chain-mail. You even stated she was.wearing chain mail.

So why are you contradicting yourself by now saying she isn't wearing metal or chain mail?

Your logic is LOL at best...

again your post..

Potions are not increased by the characters magic attribute, let alone a health potion doing such. 

I posted proof that in fact was accredited . You, when you discovered how stupid this was, tried to turn this into a DA 2 discussion only. When in fact you have been attacking the fantasy lore and its influence on dragon age lore in general. So you went from a "oh noes I completly flubbed up" scenario to trying to attack me on a different front. The truth is I won the debate here hands down. You are so angry at me personally for it that we could if fact keep this going indefinatly into other topics which are not even related to the OP which I originally typed to in the first place.

 The purpose of wearing certain types of armor is because of the following :

Cloth armor --restricted to spellcasters reason is because of their intense concentration , arcane gestures, verbal tones and physical rituals used in spellcasting would be interfered with by wearing armor heavier that cloth .ie a huge negative to both casting efficiency and actual casting effectiveness.

Leather armor -- restricted to rogue /warrior -- reason is this is heavier armor than cloth which can be used by a rogue because they have no ability restrictions using this type of armor. same is true for warriors

Plate armor-- restricted to warriors --reason being the warrior class focuses their attacks mostly out of brute strength so this heavy set of equipment is easily equipped on this class type. Rogues cannot wear this armor for 2 reasons 1. their abilities require quick nimble responses not available to be done with plate armor. 2. the weight .. the rogue focuses on dexterity not strength.,they essientially cannot wear this armor being as it is too heavy for them to wield.

your original reply to that post

Except that isn't true. Champions armor, merils armor, bethanys armor all aren't robes. Besides full leather would allow for greater protection and a free range of motion. Have you tried to move and gesture in an actual full robe? The cloth can be just as restricting.

This sterotype doesn't hold true for any of the established lore in dragonage. A mage is not restricted to robes only, they just need to get more physical stats and they can wear heavier armor with no penalty. Even Origins didn't have a penalty for heavier armor, just "fatique" that made abilities cost more.

So holding to sterotypes in a game that has established several times that those sterotypes don't exist in their world is just plain stupid.

this is actually from this conversation

http://social.biowar...index/6734789/1

And that is what you are in fact continuing here. I originally dismissed you and your argument because I honestly didnt then and really still dont care what you think of my views. I was not even talking with you in that original post. For whatever reason you decided to pick a fight with not just me , but everyone in the post with you attacks and arrogance. So since you indeed are attacking the lore itself and have backed yourself into a corner I'll conclude this mindless rant of yours and take the high road as it were and drop it. I won the debate here. No point in continuing...

[Chaos_1001]

Conduit0 wrote...

@Hakwea: Now you see why I gave up.


I think what many of us are trying to get across is that the classical image of the wizard no longer fits the modern interpretation. The modern RPG mage is an adventurer, someone who is acustomed to danger and acclimated to life on the battlefield, they are not feeble and physically inept, they are fearsome combatents who merely trade swords and arrows for magical staves and spells. The appearance of the mage should reflect this modern interpretation, they should wear clothing that befits someome who chooses to live a life of constant peril.

Conduit0..

I'm actually very easy to get along with. If you had actually presented the above statement the way you just posted it this would have been a much different discussion all-together.

I am not re-igniting anything. I just wanted you to know that.

[MHRazer]

Hakwea, you should give it up. You're arguing with someone who is unwilling to see logic outside what they've already decided is right. It's really not even a debate that should have began, since it's a fact-based situation, not opinion-based. Once the facts that Merrill wears nearly full chain mail and an armored mage outfit is provided in-game by Bioware were proven (and they were), there is nothing to debate about.

You've won the argument, your opponent just refuses to acknowledge it. It's not worth responding to.

[Hatchetman77]

EmperorZorn wrote...

Mages wear robes because they rip open easier when they turn into demons. >_>

So they're like the Hulk's streatchy purple pants?

[Conduit0]

Hatchetman77 wrote...

EmperorZorn wrote...

Mages wear robes because they rip open easier when they turn into demons. >_>

So they're like the Hulk's streatchy purple pants?

Brilliant! Infact, now that I think about, the lower half of an abomination's robes are kind of purple. This has made me a true believer!

[v_ware]

Anders had a pretty good explanation in DA:Awakening.

They wear it because it's easy to have a quick bang in them before the Templars notice.

[AxelBat]

v_ware wrote...

Anders had a pretty good explanation in DA:Awakening.

They wear it because it's easy to have a quick bang in them before the Templars notice.

This is my favorite excuse!

I love old Anders!

[hakwea]

Chaos_1001 wrote...
Your logic is LOL at best...

again your post..

Potions are not increased by the characters magic attribute, let alone a health potion doing such. 

I posted proof that in fact was accredited . You, when you discovered how stupid this was, tried to turn this into a DA 2 discussion only. When in fact you have been attacking the fantasy lore and its influence on dragon age lore in general. So you went from a "oh noes I completly flubbed up" scenario to trying to attack me on a different front. The truth is I won the debate here hands down. You are so angry at me personally for it that we could if fact keep this going indefinatly into other topics which are not even related to the OP which I originally typed to in the first place.

You can't back pedal and claim otherwise unless you edit post posts that show your actual intent.  You were refering to DA2 because you were stating the battlemage armaments were added to the game only for the High dragon encounter on nightmare in Act 3. So the excuse you were talking about DA:O mechanics for a discussion about a DA2 armor and boss encounter is just a lie. http://social.biowar...95194/5#6831553

• "The problem with it is this, That particular piece of armor had no class in mind really. It was in fact only there to help players on a nightmare difficulty encounter which is also in the third act, The High Dragon. The entire team need buffed to teeth in fire resistance gear for that encounter. That was what that piece was made for.And yes a warrior or rogue coud have worn it. To further justify them wearing it is the player needs the following for that encounter on Nightmare difficulty..
• A. as close as you can get to 95% fire resist for each party member
• B. lots and lots of potions lyrium and health ( which is more effective with 25+ magic attribute henceforth the requirement )
• C. extra armor on your character to help with the adds that are very deadly in the last 25% of the encounter
• D.Very balanced statistics in stamina pool for non-mages ( to effectively last longer in delivering your attacks on the mob(s) in that encounter henceforth the 25 willpower requirement on that piece) ."

Only one game has an act 3. Only one game has the battlemage armaments sold from the mage goods store in the gallows in act 3.  Your commonet was in direct response to something that is in DA2 and your attempt at a justification of why a mage can wear metal armor in DA2. No part of origins is being talked about in that discussion. You also made clear that this was a DA2 chat with:

• PS do not bring Arcane Warrior into this at all. It was not a
  feature in both games and therefore does not apply in this paticular
  "chat"
• http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/315/index/6595194/4#6823815

this is actually from this conversation

http://social.biowar...index/6734789/1

And that is what you are in fact continuing here. I originally dismissed you and your argument because I honestly didnt then and really still dont care what you think of my views. I was not even talking with you in that original post. For whatever reason you decided to pick a fight with not just me , but everyone in the post with you attacks and arrogance. So since you indeed are attacking the lore itself and have backed yourself into a corner I'll conclude this mindless rant of yours and take the high road as it were and drop it. I won the debate here. No point in continuing...

No that isn't what I am continuing here, but it appears to be what you are. Everything I have posted in this thread is a direct result of things said in this thread. If you posted near the same remarks then that is your fault. 

Actually the First was this one http://social.biowar...95194/4#6822858 This is the my second post adressing something you said http://social.biowar...95194/5#6828818 funny how it is different then the one you are cliaming. You weren't even posting to the original poster of this thread with your first post in this thread. Besides it doesn't matter what past discussions happened on the topic, because you brought it all here. Since I was providing the "proof" you wanted from someone else and you were fine with it all until all your points got refuted and you needed to attack me instead of the topic.

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[Chaos_1001]

hakwea..

You really dont realize what actually transpired here do you ? The entire point of all this was not whether you were right or wrong . The point was to get you to discredit your argument and come across as a mindless ranter hellbent on proving thier point . That goal was achieved.Which in turn forfieted your debate .Sometimes the "I'm right and you are wrong line of thinking" does not apply. You have to use more subtle techniques, for instance..
I made a statement in another post . For your own personal reasons you attacked it. So fastforward to another discussion that arose. One that as soon as it began I knew you would jump in on sooner or later. I said just enough in that debate to bait you in it. From there I had you looking dilligently for ways to discredit me and my point of view. I gave you just enough so you would hear exactly what you wanted to hear and make it "appear" as if it were indeed an argument. Then as I knew would happen sooner or later you turned an argument into a personal matter and as such started flying off the handle.You even discretided accreditable proof about "my version" of the argument which really had nothing at all to do with your original debate. In short you turned the cold hard facts of your argument into another tangent all-together. You were running around in circles like someone chasing a laser pointer being shown on a floor. So again, the point was not whether or not you were right in the first place. It was to get you to discredit yourself and you did that. Your ranting didnt help your cause either but yeah.It was a fun ride though. Next time you should take the advice of those around you and not allow yourself to be driven off into a tangent.

[hakwea]

Chaos_1001 wrote...

hakwea..

You really dont realize what actually transpired here do you ? The entire point of all this was not whether you were right or wrong . The point was to get you to discredit your argument and come across as a mindless ranter hellbent on proving thier point . That goal was achieved.Which in turn forfieted your debate .Sometimes the "I'm right and you are wrong line of thinking" does not apply. You have to use more subtle techniques, for instance..
I made a statement in another post . For your own personal reasons you attacked it. So fastforward to another discussion that arose. One that as soon as it began I knew you would jump in on sooner or later. I said just enough in that debate to bait you in it. From there I had you looking dilligently for ways to discredit me and my point of view. I gave you just enough so you would hear exactly what you wanted to hear and make it "appear" as if it were indeed an argument. Then as I knew would happen sooner or later you turned an argument into a personal matter and as such started flying off the handle.You even discretided accreditable proof about "my version" of the argument which really had nothing at all to do with your original debate. In short you turned the cold hard facts of your argument into another tangent all-together. You were running around in circles like someone chasing a laser pointer being shown on a floor. So again, the point was not whether or not you were right in the first place. It was to get you to discredit yourself and you did that. Your ranting didnt help your cause either but yeah.It was a fun ride though. Next time you should take the advice of those around you and not allow yourself to be driven off into a tangent.

If  I'm the one turning things into a personal matter, why are you the only one devoting an entire post to attack me? Besides didn't you state you already won, and no point continuing? So why are you?

Modifié par hakwea, 30 mars 2011 - 05:10 .