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[Myrmedus]

...we're even getting reviews from people who haven't played the game now.

There are games out there that only last 5-10 hours, doing every single thing in them, and cost $60. I did the vast majority of the sidequests but not all and notched up 35 hours...I don't see how the content doesn't justify $60.

If you're talking about quality instead of content then that is hugely subjective but a usual pre-requisite is having actually experienced the game.

[Dreadstruck]

Depends. I have like 32 hours and that's just Act 1. Not counting the first two playthroughs I trashed mid-game because of my disatisfaction with the progress.

So in my experience(and opinion) it was very well worth the money.

Modifié par Avalla'ch, 16 mars 2011 - 09:36 .

[Myrmedus]

I have a twisted opinion on things? That's got to be the most convincing argument I've ever heard.

I read what you wrote but most of it wasn't about a video-game which you put in the title but about a company. I commented on your judgment of a video-game you've never played before, what you believe about the company is up to you. Don't forget your tin-foil hat.

Ashr4m wrote...
Well
my point was not about your subjective value, but about an objective
comparison between DAO and DA2, wouldnt you agree that you got more
content for less money when you bought DAO?

I got more content with DA:O for the same amount of money, but then the amount of content I got in DA:O was extraordinary and I would never expect that for $60 - nice if it comes but not an expectation. 30+ hours for a game is long, 50+ is insane.

Modifié par Myrmedus, 16 mars 2011 - 09:41 .

[Soilborn88]

The game isn't worth 60 dollars. The game is incomplete and shouldn't cost more than 30. But that's where EA and Bioware marketing come into play. They knew it would appeal to the border crowd and Action-Adventure type people and they would be willing to spend countless dollars on this incomplete game including future DLC.

[Ryngard]

The only point I'm going to make is that DA:O was, by Bioware's own admission, a ton more content than the average game.

I'm sorry but if you compare DA2 to most other games (Deadspace, Castlevania, umm... Dante's Inferno, Force Unleashed 2, Batman, etc) it is much longer in content.

In the 90s you paid $40-50 for Final Fantasy games and the like and a GOOD one ran 40 hours of game time... tops. Unless you level grinded to level 99 or something. DA2 is about 40 hours give or take and much better than those old games.

You got a lot of EXTRA value in DA:O. DA2 is as long or longer than both Awakening and Mass Effect 2.

Quit whining.

[Ryngard]

If it isn't "worth" $60 to you then don't buy it new at launch.

Wait for a used copy, GOTY edition, or when they lower the price.

Go in halfsies with friends and get the cost down.

[Myrmedus]

Ashr4m wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

I have a twisted opinion on things? That's got to be the most convincing argument I've ever heard.

Yes i think so. Justifying shortcomings by arguing that there are even worse things is just silly isnt it?

For example, america is torturing people. But its okay because china is worse?
How about people robbing other people, its okay because lots of people do it?

I justify the shortcomings by measuring the game against a bar. You justify the game as not being worth $60 by...measuring it against a bar. The only difference between the two is our bars are different. Your bar is DA:O, my bar is an average of every game I've played (or remember playing).

Every time you formulate an opinion on how good or bad something is you're making a relative judgment so arguing my justification is silly because I'm measuring the game relative to other games is crazy.

Modifié par Myrmedus, 16 mars 2011 - 09:47 .

[Falls Edge]

This is something that has been noted this is why Dlc is considered a success not much effort is put in but the profits are enormous because people are willing to spend.

In actuality if everyone sold broken cars and it was profitable they'd continue to sell broken cars.

[JrayM16]

Meh, prices are not relative to content. That's not how it works. You won't see me complaining about the price of a DVD for a 1 hour movie being the same as that of a 3 hour movie.

[xSHAD0WENx]

bioware/EA isn't seeing my money for this game. however when it drops down to $40 then i'll get it.

[serthorn]

xSHAD0WENx wrote...

bioware/EA isn't seeing my money for this game. however when it drops down to $40 then i'll get it.

You may already buy a preowned copy for less.
End EA/Bioware will not have a cent from this.

[Falls Edge]

Ashr4m wrote...

Ryngard wrote...

The only point I'm going to make is that DA:O was, by Bioware's own admission, a ton more content than the average game.

I'm sorry but if you compare DA2 to most other games (Deadspace, Castlevania, umm... Dante's Inferno, Force Unleashed 2, Batman, etc) it is much longer in content.

Yet the question is, is it really a good thing to get everything down lowest common denominator? Not to mention there were even worse games, with even less content (Kane and Lynch 2 for example). Even if such games exist does that mean that other games should be more like them just because they ripped off their consumers?

Deja vu? I could swear I've heard someone say this exact same thing somewhere.

[Soilborn88]

Ryngard wrote...

I have
The only point I'm going to make is that DA:O was, by Bioware's own admission, a ton more content than the average game.

I'm sorry but if you compare DA2 to most other games (Deadspace, Castlevania, umm... Dante's Inferno, Force Unleashed 2, Batman, etc) it is much longer in content.

In the 90s you paid $40-50 for Final Fantasy games and the like and a GOOD one ran 40 hours of game time... tops. Unless you level grinded to level 99 or something. DA2 is about 40 hours give or take and much better than those old games.

You got a lot of EXTRA value in DA:O. DA2 is as long or longer than both Awakening and Mass Effect 2.

Quit whining.

I finished the game in like 33 hours. On hard, and did every single side quest I came across, even took the time to find additional ingredients for my potions and runes, and I even took the time to develop my relationships with all my companions except Fenris.

I pre-ordered the game because I gave Bioware the benefit of the doubt, despite the rumors and claims about DA2 new direction. Now that benefit of the doubt is gone, I doubt future DLC for DA2 will be any good, and I doubt DA3 will be worth buying either.

This game just isn't worth 60 bucks and by the time the DLC is all said and done people will be spending 100+ dollars on an incomplete game that the DLC should have been in already. It's obvious Bioware took countless shortcuts yet people still praise this game.

I have no plans to purchase any DLC for this game, or DA3 for that matter.

Modifié par Soilborn88, 16 mars 2011 - 09:50 .

[Myrmedus]

Not the lowest common denominator but the average denominator. On average a new video-game costs $50-60, and on average a videogame lasts 10-15 hours. Therefore, a game that lasts 30+ hours is significantly above average and is not only worth $60 but arguably more.

Consider this. Consider two PS1 games: Resident Evil and Final Fantasy 7. They were the same price when released ($55) yet Resident Evil could be completed within 5 hours at a reasonable pace yet FF7 took 40 hours or so. How do you judge that? Do you say Resi Evil is a rip-off or do you say FF7 is way over expectations?

Let's take DVDs or Blurays even. Bluerays cost $40 upwards and your experience only lasts 1.5-2.5 hours. Even with DVDs you pay $20 dollars for an experience that is only 7.5% of the length of DA2 yet is 33% of the price.

Video-games are actually relatively cheap as a digital media.

Modifié par Myrmedus, 16 mars 2011 - 09:52 .

[truestatic]

There may be less content here than was in DAO, but that doesn't make a lesser game a rip off. DAO was a ridiculously huge amount of content. Comparing games that give you less than 60 hours for one playthrough as unfavourable is unfair. DA2 is of a perfectly reasonable length. If you don't feel there's enough there to justify your purchase, m sorry. :c

[Haristo]

Ashr4m wrote...

I havent bought the game, but i played the demo and read a lot of reviews, 

/Thread.

[DieHigh2012]

Myrmedus wrote...

...we're even getting reviews from people who haven't played the game now.

There are games out there that only last 5-10 hours, doing every single thing in them, and cost $60. I did the vast majority of the sidequests but not all and notched up 35 hours...I don't see how the content doesn't justify $60.

If you're talking about quality instead of content then that is hugely subjective but a usual pre-requisite is having actually experienced the game.

If only the trolls could even contemplate such a logical truth.

As it stands, most of these trolls have tremendous issuse with mommy/daddy. (hence the need for attention)

(yes I want you trolls to atack me, please try)