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[Morocius]

KalDurenik wrote...

The thing is if this was any other dev... Then people would not defend this. But because its Bioware they are somehow above creating bad games?

Its like review websites "yeah i want to give the game a lower score... But its Bioware / Dragon age!"...

Lets say it was a studio... Blue fox (made up name) then no one would even take a look at the game.

I think the reverse is also true, if it wasn't from Bioware people wouldn't have their own mythical milestones to compare it to. The game has it's flaws, quite a few of them actually nevertheless i find it fairly entertaining and seeing as most people seem to take 30+ hours for a playthrough i can't say it is to short either. Shorter then i would have liked sure.

Putting a 30+ hour story in 1 city is 1 thing, following it through with all the houses and caves being the same is a bit overkill. I found most of the boss fights entertaining atleast, save for one.

[Lady Cora]

Brenus wrote...
The Dark Brotherhood quest line alone eats DA2 alive.

The Dark Brotherhood was a very good Quest but that 1 quest line makes a game not. If i had know that Oblivion only had 1 good quest line i wouldn't have bought the game. However DA2 has many good quests and has many reasons to play.  Since this is thread is about rip off let me put this 2 u. Was Oblivion worth the money for 1 good quest line. i think not.  Is DA worth the money. Every penny

[Le Diable]

though i did get to know that DA2 would not be a milestone for the company to surpass what DAOnA had..

What i am really irked about and pissed is that the storylines and the involved stories are not richer and lack in depth and folds compared to DAO and on the contrary DAO is supposed to have lasted for a year and DA2 over a span of years... the storyline is a huge letdown though there is quite an interaction from other demographics
Par Vollen gets mentioned clearly
We come in contact with Tevinter closely with a slave and magisters
Orlais is somehow not liked here in Kirkwall
We have sexy woman from Rivain

[naughty99]

I'd have to say DA2 is absolutely a much better value than DAO.

I'm barely into Act 2 at 74 hours into the game. I'm sure my first playthrough will last much more than 100 hours, and there will be plenty of replay value. This is almost as long as an open-world Bethesda RPG playthrough, which can last hundreds of hours.

DAO, ME1 and ME2 were great games, but they do not have the same value in terms of how long the playthrough can last.

I didn't buy any DLC, just got whatever came with the Steam pre-order (black emporium and mabari warhound.) 60 dollars is an excellent price for hundreds of hours of entertainment.

Because the gameplay is more balanced, it is much more tactical on Nightmare and Hard, both of which were ridiculously easy on DAO because you could spam healing potions. In DA2, you really have to think and carefully plan each battle because you get your ass handed to you on a platter.

Despite the skimping on the recycled area maps, there was no skimping on the writing. The story and characters are compelling, the dialogue is very well written and the entire voice cast delivered some excellent performances. A few that particularly stand out so far at this early point in the game are Jo Wyatt as Fem Hawke, Eve Myles as Merril and Brian Bloom as Varric.

Modifié par naughty99, 17 mars 2011 - 11:35 .

[enhancedhpb]

People that say the game was too short probably didn't play it on nightmare mode or even hard. Nightmare mode requires much more use of good strategy than normal.

Modifié par enhancedhpb, 17 mars 2011 - 05:09 .

[Euno17]

I'm barely into Act 2 at 74 hours into the game. I'm sure my first playthrough will last much more than 100 hours, and there will be plenty of replay value. This is almost as long as an open-world Bethesda RPG playthrough, which can last hundreds of hours.

B.S? 

There is no way in HELL you played 74 hours worth of game content through Act 2. You PROBABLY just left the game on for 48 hours without touching it and then confused it with actually playing the game for that amount of time.

DA 2 goes anywhere from low 20's (hrs) to mid 30's (maybe even as high as 40 if you mess around).

Just's just put this in perspective here - I've only gotten to a hundred hours on one game and that was ME1. It took me 3 play throughs in ME1 to get to and above 100 hours. 3. That's with me doing everything in the game 3 times. Lol and you are only on Act 2 in DA 2 with 74 hours? 

Can you tell me what it's like to work for bioware? Seems like you guys are just in free-fall with the shrill review of DA 2 and the fact that DA 2 has been taking a beating from alot of the fans . . . can't be a good time to be a Bioware employee.

[naughty99]

Euno17 wrote...

I'm barely into Act 2 at 74 hours into the game. I'm sure my first playthrough will last much more than 100 hours, and there will be plenty of replay value. This is almost as long as an open-world Bethesda RPG playthrough, which can last hundreds of hours.

B.S? 

There is no way in HELL you played 74 hours worth of game content through Act 2. You PROBABLY just left the game on for 48 hours without touching it and then confused it with actually playing the game for that amount of time.

DA 2 goes anywhere from low 20's (hrs) to mid 30's (maybe even as high as 40 if you mess around).

Just's just put this in perspective here - I've only gotten to a hundred hours on one game and that was ME1. It took me 3 play throughs in ME1 to get to and above 100 hours. 3. That's with me doing everything in the game 3 times. Lol and you are only on Act 2 in DA 2 with 74 hours? 

Can you tell me what it's like to work for bioware? Seems like you guys are just in free-fall with the shrill review of DA 2 and the fact that DA 2 has been taking a beating from alot of the fans . . . can't be a good time to be a Bioware employee.

lmao@ bioware employee, i wish!

I didn't even make it to the deep roads until about 45 hours in.

The demo area that I beat easily when playing the demo was really difficult on Nightmare in the real game and took quite a few hours just to get to the gallows in Kirkwall.

By the time I made it to the Deep Roads (at level 8 IIRC) it was more than 45 hours into my game.

I am completely at a loss to understand how so many are talking about beating the game in 15 hours etc. Are you all playing with just using tactics and not pausing during combat? Are you skipping half the quests? Maybe on Hello Kitty mode it would be possible, but I don't think you can beat it so quickly on Nightmare.

I saw one youtube tutorial of someone beating the rock wraith quickly without pausing on Nightmare, which was impressive, but I can't do it. In my case I don't use any tactics, keep everyone on hold in "Passive" behavior mode and pause and micromanage every single character action.

And I die frequently, which is a huge improvement because Nightmare on DAO was so easy it was a joke. When I get throuagh a tough battle it feels a bit more like I have accomplished something.

I think to complete the game will take certainly more than 100 hours. ME2 was lots of fun but it felt very short as IIRC it took me only around 25-30 hours to complete over the course of a couple weekends. DA2 in my case has much, much more content (or at least entertainment value on hard and nightmare) than ME2. 

Modifié par naughty99, 17 mars 2011 - 09:00 .

[reddragon567]

Euno17 wrote...

I'm barely into Act 2 at 74 hours into the game. I'm sure my first playthrough will last much more than 100 hours, and there will be plenty of replay value. This is almost as long as an open-world Bethesda RPG playthrough, which can last hundreds of hours.

B.S? 

There is no way in HELL you played 74 hours worth of game content through Act 2. You PROBABLY just left the game on for 48 hours without touching it and then confused it with actually playing the game for that amount of time.

DA 2 goes anywhere from low 20's (hrs) to mid 30's (maybe even as high as 40 if you mess around).

Just's just put this in perspective here - I've only gotten to a hundred hours on one game and that was ME1. It took me 3 play throughs in ME1 to get to and above 100 hours. 3. That's with me doing everything in the game 3 times. Lol and you are only on Act 2 in DA 2 with 74 hours? 

Can you tell me what it's like to work for bioware? Seems like you guys are just in free-fall with the shrill review of DA 2 and the fact that DA 2 has been taking a beating from alot of the fans . . . can't be a good time to be a Bioware employee.

If you really really really suck on Nightmare mode. All the save-reloading can get you there easily. 

Modifié par reddragon567, 17 mars 2011 - 08:55 .

[Sylvius the Mad]

I suspect many people who are taking longer through the game (like me) are doing it with the Plot Helpers disabled. If you don't have markers on your mini-map telling you where to go, and there aren't big icons telling you to which NPCs you can speak, the game goes a lot slower.

Because I have plot helpers turned off and I don't consult the journal (because it contains meta-game information I don't want to have), I actually have to explore each area and look for people. I don't know where to go or what to do.

And that's a great feature. I'm very happy to see it.

[Brenus]

Azazel005 wrote...

Brenus wrote...

Lady Cora wrote...

DA2 isnt even worth 10% the cost of Oblivion, or the upcoming Skyrim, or
even the Witcher 2. Its not even 20% as good as Oblivion still is.

You r kidding. Oblivion was the biggest disappointment. the main quest was appauling. Dragon age 2 beats it and most other RPG's by many country miles.

Having played it I am really enjoying DA2 (i wish they had reused the music from the first game) and Can't wait for the DLC to appear.  1 thing is wish people would do is tkae off the rose tinted glasses and look at each game on their own merits. Yes this is a squel.  But many good games are trashed becasue people don't want progress they just want more of the same.  If DA2 was just like DA:O then people would still be trashing it for being more of the same. Game designers can't win. We are just to picky to be verygood judges and shouldn't give reviews at all,

No, I'm telling the truth, though I wouldnt expect a person that makes as many annoying typing errors as you just did to have enough sense to be able to appreciate proper RPGs.

Your post is pure kidding, as you say. 'DA2 beats most other RPGs by many country miles' ...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL, erm no, just NO it bloody doesnt. 

P.S, as for the main quest in Oblivion, most people who actually enjoy the way that Elder Scrolls games are never actually even play the main quest. Its more about doing everything else than it is about doing the central quest, the world is so vast and open with hundreds of times more stuff to do than there is in DA2.

The Dark Brotherhood quest line alone eats DA2 alive.

The fact that you assert even thinly that the 'Dark Brotherhood' questline is a decent story even passable story makes me wonder what sort of storytelling you appreciate, 'A is for Animals' doesn't go out of print, maybe you should try that.

You make definitive claims with no justification. Your opinion is just that and your suggestion that people that enjoy DA2 'aren't smart enough' to appreciate 'proper' RPGs is both offensive and ignorant. I have no problem with people expressing an opinion, especially when it is appropriately justified (which any discussion should have) but you have a duty to treat people with equal respect.

Worth is entirely subjective and dictated by the market, I will get considerably more play time out of this title then the last 5, I have purchased and I have thought each and every one of them worth purchasing.

Objectively from a cost ratio perspective we have no idea what profit margin, business plan and investment return has been expected so one can't compare the without that data.

I dont play games for the story, games are for gameplay, enjoyment and fun, not just listening to some lame cookie cutter story about dragons, abominations and darkspawn.

If I want a story I can watch a movie or read a book. Games = games, games =/= story.

Yes the gameplay through most of oblivions questlines such as the dark brotherhood vastly outclasses the crap that is DA2.

Modifié par Brenus, 17 mars 2011 - 08:59 .

[Alpr]

Your opinion is invalid. Play the game first, not the demo.

[AtreiyaN7]

Brenus wrote...

Its not even just about how long the game is or how dumbed down the gameplay is, but also the game is so far behind graphically compared to other PC games that are coming out this year.

EVERYTHING about DA2 is far too bad for its price compared to other PC games, it is a shocking embarrassment of a game for a AAA Bioware release on the PC.

DA2 isnt even worth 10% the cost of Oblivion, or the upcoming Skyrim, or even the Witcher 2. Its not even 20% as good as Oblivion still is.

You actually cited Oblivion? I played Oblivion and (nominally) enjoyed it, but hours and hours of copy & paste dungeons didn't really make up for the absence of a good story and good storytelling. It was weak, thin, and moving the story along consisted of doing the exact same thing - closing those stupid portals.

I didn't really care by the end of Oblivion to be honest because it just wasn't that interesting. I played Oblivion once and have never had a desire to pick it up and play it again since the day that I finished it, whereas I'm on my second playthrough of DA2.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Euno17 wrote...

Just's just put this in perspective here - I've only gotten to a hundred hours on one game and that was ME1. It took me 3 play throughs in ME1 to get to and above 100 hours. 3. That's with me doing everything in the game 3 times. Lol and you are only on Act 2 in DA 2 with 74 hours? 

Different people play at different speeds.  I, for example, didn't take 100 hours to play through ME1 3 times, even though I fully explored every uncharted world every time.

And yet DAO took me over 100 hours for just my first playthrough (the in-game counter said 87, but I'd backtracked and replayed a 25 hour section to fix a roleplaying mistake).

[Brenus]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Brenus wrote...

Its not even just about how long the game is or how dumbed down the gameplay is, but also the game is so far behind graphically compared to other PC games that are coming out this year.

EVERYTHING about DA2 is far too bad for its price compared to other PC games, it is a shocking embarrassment of a game for a AAA Bioware release on the PC.

DA2 isnt even worth 10% the cost of Oblivion, or the upcoming Skyrim, or even the Witcher 2. Its not even 20% as good as Oblivion still is.

You actually cited Oblivion? I played Oblivion and (nominally) enjoyed it, but hours and hours of copy & paste dungeons didn't really make up for the absence of a good story and good storytelling. It was weak, thin, and moving the story along consisted of doing the exact same thing - closing those stupid portals.

I didn't really care by the end of Oblivion to be honest because it just wasn't that interesting. I played Oblivion once and have never had a desire to pick it up and play it again since the day that I finished it, whereas I'm on my second playthrough of DA2.

Brenus wrote...

I dont play games for the story, games are for gameplay, enjoyment and fun, not just listening to some lame cookie cutter story about dragons, abominations and darkspawn.

If I want a story I can watch a movie or read a book. Games = games, games =/= story.

Yes the gameplay through most of oblivions questlines such as the dark brotherhood vastly outclasses the crap that is DA2.

Please feel free to explain what exactly is better about either DAO or DA2's story? Because they are both just as stupidly lame as any other RPG.

And didnt you think that maybe you are on your second playthrough of DA2 because of how short the game is? Whereas when you only played oblivion once, you likely played it for far longer. 

Modifié par Brenus, 17 mars 2011 - 09:03 .

[Veex]

My first playthrough of DA2 clocked in at 74 hours and change, which is longer than any of my DA:O playthroughs by 20 hours or more on average. I feel as though I've certainly gotten my moneys worth with this title.

[Brenus]

Veex wrote...

My first playthrough of DA2 clocked in at 74 hours and change, which is longer than any of my DA:O playthroughs by 20 hours or more on average. I feel as though I've certainly gotten my moneys worth with this title.

You must have spent 40 hours doing nothing but standing around and staring at walls maybe, because even bioware officially stated that DA2 only takes 30-40 hours to complete.

And DAO definitely was far longer than DA2 is.

Modifié par Brenus, 17 mars 2011 - 09:06 .

[Sylvius the Mad]

Brenus wrote...

And didnt you think that maybe you are on your second playthrough of DA2 because of how short the game is? Whereas when you only played oblivion once, you likely played it for far longer. 

I didn't come close to finishing Oblivion.  I don't even know what the main plot was, because I never found it.

The levelling system was horribly broken (I could summon Storm Atronachs and I was still level 1), and the combat system was dreadful (I hate action combat - my idea of a good Action-RPG is the original Dungeon Siege).

[naughty99]

Oblivion is one of my favorite games but comparing quests and details of the Elder Scrolls series with the DA series is comparing apples and oranges.

They are very different experiences. Some prefer one or the other, personally I'm a huge fan of both. No need to hate on Oblivion if you're simply not into that type of open world game.

I didn't complete the main quest of Oblivion either, but my playthrough has lasted a few hundred hours over the course of a couple years and I have enjoyed every minute. And the Whodunit? and Paranoia quests are perhaps the most well written quests of any RPG I've ever played.

@Breenus - who cares what Bioware says how long the game lasts. We are actually playing the game and I'm telling you if you play on Nightmare or Hard it will last a lot longer than 30 hours unless you are a video game genius.

I finished DAO in around 60 hours IIRC. DA2 will take me more than 100 very enjoyable hours to complete the first playthrough and I'm certain I will play it again as a different class. The math is simple for me.

Modifié par naughty99, 17 mars 2011 - 09:19 .

[Sylvius the Mad]

naughty99 wrote...

Oblivion is one of my favorite games but comparing quests and details of the Elder Scrolls series with the DA series is comparing apples and oranges.

They are very different experiences. Some prefer one or the other, personally I'm a huge fan of both. No need to hate on Oblivion if you're simply not into that type of open world game.

I didn't complete the main quest of Oblivion either, by my playthrough has lasted a few hundred hours over the course of a couple years and I have enjoyed every minute.

I love an open-world game.  I just wish somebody would make a good one.

[AtreiyaN7]

Brenus wrote...

Please feel free to explain what exactly is better about either DAO or DA2's story? Because they are both just as stupidly lame as any other RPG.

And didnt you think that maybe you are on your second playthrough of DA2 because of how short the game is? Whereas when you only played oblivion once, you likely played it for far longer. 

I played Oblivion exactly once because I didn't care about what happened after it was over. As for DA:O and DA2, the difference is that I had emotional connections to the characters and the storyline. What did I have in Oblivion? Nothing, no relationships, no companions, no reason to care about my protagonist. There was no reason to play it again. FO:NV falls into the same category as Oblivion. I enjoyed it, but after it was over, I didn't feel any real need to do it again - not even with all the freedom I have and a reasonably nice-looking post-apocalyptic world. I made a half-hearted attempt to play it again, but I haven't gotten all that far. The emotional impact of a story, well-written characters, and interesting dialogue are the things that will keep my playing a game repeatedly. Those are the things that I get from DA:O and DA2, and those are the things that are missing from Oblivion and FO:NV.

Oh, and if you feel that DA2's storyline is just as "stupidly lame as any other RPG," then you seem to be implying that all RPG storylines are equally stupid, which kind of defeats any argument you have regarding the quality of DA2's story. Personally, I found DA2's story interesting because the poltics took center stage and because it results in reshaping the world in a significant way. It's dark and presents you with difficult situations, including several events that had a real emotional impact on me. Furthermore, I know that my actions (from DA:O) actually DO shape the world in the ongoing history of the Dragon Age from things like running into old companions or hearing about my Warden. That's something you definitely don't get in a game like Obliviion.

As for your ridiculous assertion that I'm only replaying DA2 because it's shorter than Oblivion, let's talk about that. I put in around 53 hours and 35 minutes on my first run through DA:O. If you couple that with the total time I invested in at least three other runs and Awakening, I know that it's well over a hundred hours. I also know that the total time I've played that game far surpasses the time I spent on one run through Obliviion. As for DA2 itself, I spent 45 hours and 30 minutes on my first run through it. I started my new playthrough, and I plan a few more (possibly with different DA:O imports). When I'm done with DA2, I suspect that I'll again top the total time I spent on Oblivion.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 17 mars 2011 - 09:37 .

[william.munden]

cant agree more with the op this game is just consolized crap.

[Hiei987]

This is why Bioware made the game owners forum.

[Nogthwai]

I'm currently in the middle of Act3 and have played for 57 hours so far. Had to reload a couple of times when I died (Wraith was quite annoying) and checked most regions twice just to make sure I didn't miss anything. My first playthrough of Origins took me 82 hours so I'm not feeling ripped off so far; I really like the story and Gameplay of DA2 so far.

Comparing how much time you spend on a game isn't going to make for a good indicator anyway; it's the quality of the entertainment that counts. I played Starcraft I for over 2000 hours and that only cost me 50$ and I doubt I'll ever get that amount of gameplay time from any other title. That doesn't mean I will never again buy a 60$ game that lasts 10-12 hours. If you consider 40-50 hours for 60$ dollar a total "Rip-Off" then by all means, never buy another game again, because only RPGs and multiplayer games will ever offer such an amount of game time for the price.


Also, calling 30 hours for 60$ a total rip off makes me wonder anyway. Gaming is one of the cheapest hobbys you can have, realistically the price tag is kind of moot anyway. It costs a lot more just to buy decent hardware to run DA2 and new games to begin with.

Modifié par Nogthwai, 17 mars 2011 - 09:59 .

[Mir5]

Amount you spend in the game =/= the worth of the game. Even a good game may have damn poor value. DA2 feels awfully unfinished. (bugs'n glitches, characters need a bit more depth, copypaste levels)
I get the impression that Bioware is like a skilled artist that got lazy after it received fame and fortune. Now it produces minimal effort works to support it's existence.
Greed winning over ambition, the old story.

Modifié par Mir5, 17 mars 2011 - 10:02 .