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[CRISIS1717]

I just want Bioware to admit they didn't do the Dragon Age IP justice with Dragon Age 2.

I very much doubt they will give away paid DLC and lose money.

[Drogo45]

nightlordv wrote...

B3taMaxxx wrote...

nightlordv wrote...

$60 dollars for only 20 or so hours of gameplay and people got their money worth? Interesting indeed

 You can't fully play the game and finish it within that time frame. Oh, and 20hrs is 12hrs longer than 90% of games.

 /go figure

 I have the steam version, and my first play through logged in the hours at roughly 22 and this was doing everything i could find to do in the game involving quests, including ALL side quests and the main story. 

Nope.

[B3taMaxxx]

CRISIS1717 wrote...

I just want Bioware to admit they didn't do the Dragon Age IP justice with Dragon Age 2.
 

 You want them to lie to you? Where do you people get off? Wow, just wow.

[CRISIS1717]

As people are mentioning game time, my first runthrough clocked in at 38 hours. I finished every single quest I could get my hands on except the Qunari swords, the Evil Tomes and the Wounded Coast kidnapping quest which was bugged.

I still find DAO a vastly superior game.

[Eclectic Wizard]

Some people love DA2, do you want Bioware to personally apologise to you ?

[jenovaproject]

I dunno guys I paid for a game which I assumed had an ending. With all the other fan service Bioware puts in these things like gigglesquee omnoms, you'd think an ending that felt like one would be in there somewhere.

Besides, I only counted 7 years of this 10 year story.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

You know what would be nice? Letting me order DA3 now.

Modifié par RinpocheSchnozberry, 16 mars 2011 - 11:23 .

[PirateT138]

Why? Just because they pimped out the series for quick cash?

[Blood-Lord Thanatos]

I just want to have staff of parthalan scale with my level. thats all that I ask of the great gods of Bioware.

[Eclectic Wizard]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

You know what would be nice? Letting me order DA3 now.

Yes and DA4 while we`re at it.

All Dragon Age is good Dragon Age (My Motto)

Modifié par Eclectic Wizard, 16 mars 2011 - 11:26 .

[HawXV2]

I only want free DLC because I'm broke atm other than that, no. I love this game.

[MrTijger]

CRISIS1717 wrote...

As people are mentioning game time, my first runthrough clocked in at 38 hours. I finished every single quest I could get my hands on except the Qunari swords, the Evil Tomes and the Wounded Coast kidnapping quest which was bugged.

I still find DAO a vastly superior game.

Hm, I'm probably on a few more hours but thats irrelevant, I'll definitely replay it because my wife found some bits I did not and I want to see how the other classes play as well.

As for DAO being better...yes, in some ways it was, in others it was not. DAO felt more epic, DA2 feels smarter and with more depth though. A lot less simple black and white and a lot more grey, the spiral of Anders' paranoia, the naivity of Merrill which leads to a drama etc, the players in this story are not simple or straightforward and I appreciated that a lot.

The reusing of locales and scenery is a big miss however, I expect better from Bioware but lets not forget that DAO had plenty of that as well. I certainly feel DA 2 is worth my time and money with DAO still having a slight edge over it when I add everything up.

[Itkovian]

Tamirel963 wrote...

 Maybe consider making a Mass Effect 2 esque system for upcoming DLC. Give the 1st DLC out for free download for intial shipment purchasers, As an apology or showing of good faith to the comunity that for all your masking and hiding you know you have slighted.

They do not need to apologize to anyone for making a game that a subset of its followers did not enjoy.

Contrary to what some believe, Bioware did not enter into a Holy Covenant with "old-school" RPG fans (which includes myself, Utima IV FTW, thank you). They made a game with the intend to appeal to a broader audience while still retaining its RPG roots, which I believe they accomplished quite well.

Either way, if it DOES turn out that DA2 is less successful than DAO (and this outcry is by no means indicative of it, even DAO was lambasted on its forums when it came out, same as ME2, the only difference here it seems the "betrayed fans" are perhaps more organized), then the devs will take the feedback into consideration and perhaps strive to edge back towards old-school design.

Or, hopefully, just be given more time to make DAIII, which is my preference.

Either way, they do not owe anyone an apology. Just like Bethesda didn't need to apologize for streamlining Oblivion the way they did (remember the outcry there? Or, heaven forfend, the hysteria that Fallout 3 inspired?). Let's try and keep some perspective here.

Itkovian

[Flunkorg]

nightlordv wrote...

$60 dollars for only 20 or so hours of gameplay and people got their money worth? Interesting indeed

Currently 45 hours in total on DA2. Second playthrough is surely taking longer then the first. And I'm already planning my 3rd and 4th playthrough.

60$ Well spent indeed.

Modifié par Flunkorg, 16 mars 2011 - 11:33 .

[toggled]

People who are really upset about the game will not be satisfied with free DLC. A credit toward the purchase of a future game would be a better way of acknowledging the game's many shortcomings. Sign me up! (for the credit)

[SilentJay71]

Tamirel963 wrote...

I feel the game was decent but the way they have handled backlash from fans on forums and in general was insulting.

You're insulted that they didn't roll over like obsequious lapdogs to blatant trolling and actually stood up for themselves?

Or are you insulted because they couldn't magically pull patches out of the ether?

Modifié par SilentJay71, 16 mars 2011 - 11:34 .

[termokanden]

The only reason they would have to apologize is the amount of gamebreaking bugs. The product itself is what it is and you take a small risk every time you buy something without knowing exactly what it is. Same thing when you go to see a bad movie. They're not going to refund your ticket, and you wouldn't expect them to do that.

It's even more silly in this case because I actually enjoyed the game. I think it has clear flaws, but demanding apologies or free DLC is ridiculous.

Demanding a fix for the bugs is not so silly. But I guess they're working on it.

Modifié par termokanden, 16 mars 2011 - 11:35 .

[B3taMaxxx]

toggled wrote...

People who are really upset about the game will not be satisfied with free DLC. A credit toward the purchase of a future game would be a better way of acknowledging the game's many shortcomings. Sign me up! (for the credit)

 
 And if they don't share your opinion on 'shortcomings', then what?

[toggled]

Itkovian wrote...

They do not need to apologize to anyone for making a game that a subset of its followers did not enjoy.

Fact check: the vast majority of customers are deeply disappointed with DA2. Check out the metacritic reviews.

[Derrick1011]

My first playthrough was 43 hours and I didn't read hardly any of the codex entries.

[B3taMaxxx]

toggled wrote...

Itkovian wrote...

They do not need to apologize to anyone for making a game that a subset of its followers did not enjoy.

Fact check: the vast majority of customers are deeply disappointed with DA2. Check out the metacritic reviews.

 Spamming zeros is harldy a good evaluation. 'Fact check' ..........ignorance is.........ignorant.

[HawXV2]

SilentJay71 wrote...

Tamirel963 wrote...

I feel the game was decent but the way they have handled backlash from fans on forums and in general was insulting.

You're insulted that they didn't roll over like obsequious lapdogs to blatant trolling and actually stood up for themselves?

Or are you insulted because they couldn't magically pull patches out of the ether?

This post was perfect. They didn't just bend because of haters and trolling. They took pride in their great product.

[JasmoVT]

nightlordv wrote...

B3taMaxxx wrote...

nightlordv wrote...

$60 dollars for only 20 or so hours of gameplay and people got their money worth? Interesting indeed

 You can't fully play the game and finish it within that time frame. Oh, and 20hrs is 12hrs longer than 90% of games.

 /go figure

 I have the steam version, and my first play through logged in the hours at roughly 22 and this was doing everything i could find to do in the game involving quests, including ALL side quests and the main story. 

You cannot even have all the dialog and watch all the cinemaics in 22 hours. So if you sped through and skipped most of the content that is your problem no Bioware's. M first play through took 55 hours and not a wasted or boring second.

[toggled]

B3taMaxxx wrote...

 Spamming zeros is harldy a good evaluation. 'Fact check' ..........ignorance is.........ignorant.

I don't see the need for a personal attack.

I'm glad you enjoyed the game. I didn't. My point was that people who were disappointed in the game are not the minority, but rather very much the majority.

[Kopawapatezi]

toggled wrote...

Itkovian wrote...

They do not need to apologize to anyone for making a game that a subset of its followers did not enjoy.

Fact check: the vast majority of customers are deeply disappointed with DA2. Check out the metacritic reviews.

Metacritic has like, around 2000-3000 user reviews combined. While DA II topped the chart in Europe. So I'll guess sales were somewhere in the tens or hundreds of thousands, or something.