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[SmokePants]

How delusional does one have to be to think for one second that BioWare is at all ashamed of this game? If they have a regret, it's probably that they have too many self-entitled, self-righteous, stubborn little a-holes to be scolded by every time they release a game.

Modifié par SmokePants, 16 mars 2011 - 11:43 .

[JasmoVT]

toggled wrote...

Itkovian wrote...

They do not need to apologize to anyone for making a game that a subset of its followers did not enjoy.

Fact check: the vast majority of customers are deeply disappointed with DA2. Check out the metacritic reviews.

Fact check: The vast majority of customers know metacritic is a joke and do not bother with it.

[B3taMaxxx]

toggled wrote...

B3taMaxxx wrote...

 Spamming zeros is harldy a good evaluation. 'Fact check' ..........ignorance is.........ignorant.

I don't see the need for a personal attack.

I'm glad you enjoyed the game. I didn't. My point was that people who were disappointed in the game are not the minority, but rather very much the majority.

 That wasn't an insult. Look up the definition of ignorance.

 My point being, when there is three pages out of eight in the PC reviews rating it a 0, something is off. The ignorance comes from not fully evaluating the situation before determining the cause.

[termokanden]

toggled wrote...

Itkovian wrote...

They do not need to apologize to anyone for making a game that a subset of its followers did not enjoy.

Fact check: the vast majority of customers are deeply disappointed with DA2. Check out the metacritic reviews.

Provided that you trust Metacritic user scores at all. Why would anyone in their right mind do that? Not only has Bioware been accused of posting shill reviews there (not saying it's true or false, don't want to go into that discussion), we know that lots of 1s have been posted by people wanting to ruin the Metacritic score. And let's face it, no matter whether you liked or didn't like DA2, it deserves more than a 1.

So much has happened on Metacritic now that it cannot be trusted. At least not when it concerns user reviews. But the professional reviews cannot tell you whether the average user was disappointed or not.

In general I tend to be very skeptical of user ratings on sites. I remember one user giving a product he liked 1 because he actually received the wrong package and so he couldn't review it. Or someone selecting the middle score because they didn't really want to review the product but wanted to post a neutral comment. I'm not saying every user is dumb, but there are enough silly people in the world to ruin these systems.

Modifié par termokanden, 16 mars 2011 - 11:49 .

[Gamer Ftw]

No one should have to apologize for being awesome.

[Reule]

No need for an apology when one isn't necessary. I only hope they're not put off by the negative reception and continue to want to deliver more Dragon Age. I know I'm looking forward to dlc for this one and a third game down the road.

[stewie1974]

Here is a clue. I know most don't have one.

If you are disapointed in the product just make sure you learn your lesson.

Next time "rent" or "borrow" the game before deciding to buy it.

Bioware is not responsible for your shopping habits, you are.

If you find you are disapointed with the rental , then don't buy the full game.. that way you only lose 5 dollars instead of 60 or what ever you paid .

Me personally, I enjoyed it and will continue with bioware preorders in the future, why? cuz it's only a fracking game and I'm not really going to tear up about faults in it, unless its unplayable ((so yes I'm still waiting for the bug fix))

Bugs = disapointment.
Direction of game and game play... I enjoyed .

[Veracruz]

Tamirel963 wrote...

 Maybe consider making a Mass Effect 2 esque system for upcoming DLC. Give the 1st DLC out for free download for intial shipment purchasers, As an apology or showing of good faith to the comunity that for all your masking and hiding you know you have slighted.

Self entitlement over 9,000!!!!

I hadn't noticed DA II being the new Atari's ET.

[Kopawapatezi]

Veracruz wrote...

Tamirel963 wrote...

 Maybe consider making a Mass Effect 2 esque system for upcoming DLC. Give the 1st DLC out for free download for intial shipment purchasers, As an apology or showing of good faith to the comunity that for all your masking and hiding you know you have slighted.

Self entitlement over 9,000!!!!

I hadn't noticed DA II being the new Atari's ET.

Open your eyes, man! The gaming industry is literally crashing and burning, it's a total blood bath! And it's all because Dragon Age II was a disappointment to some.

[B3taMaxxx]

Kopawapatezi wrote...

Veracruz wrote...

Tamirel963 wrote...

 Maybe consider making a Mass Effect 2 esque system for upcoming DLC. Give the 1st DLC out for free download for intial shipment purchasers, As an apology or showing of good faith to the comunity that for all your masking and hiding you know you have slighted.

Self entitlement over 9,000!!!!

I hadn't noticed DA II being the new Atari's ET.

Open your eyes, man! The gaming industry is literally crashing and burning, it's a total blood bath! And it's all because Dragon Age II was a disappointment to some.

 I've taken up knitting in preperation of the impending doom. Gotta have hobbies.

[AtreiyaN7]

JrayM16 wrote...

Here's an analogy. I loved the James Bond movie Casino Royale. I thought it struck the essence of everything good about James Bond and was just an all around great movie. Then I saw Quantum of Solace, which I thought was the antithesis of everything good about Casino Royale. I was not alone in this sentiment.

Did I deserve free stuff from the director for my disapointment? No, that's just not how business works. It's not fair to the creators to demand an "apology" in the form of free stuff due to stuff that comes down to subjective opinion.

Have to agree with that - I was disappointed by Quantum of Solace. I don't expect an apology from the director, producers or screenwriteres however. And I still <3 Daniel Craig.

[toggled]

termokanden wrote...

Provided that you trust Metacritic user scores at all. Why would anyone in their right mind do that? Not only has Bioware been accused of posting shill reviews there (not saying it's true or false, don't want to go into that discussion), we know that lots of 1s have been posted by people wanting to ruin the Metacritic score. And let's face it, no matter whether you liked or didn't like DA2, it deserves more than a 1.

So much has happened on Metacritic now that it cannot be trusted. At least not when it concerns user reviews. But the professional reviews cannot tell you whether the average user was disappointed or not.

In general I tend to be very skeptical of user ratings on sites. I remember one user giving a product he liked 1 because he actually received the wrong package and so he couldn't review it. Or someone selecting the middle score because they didn't really want to review the product but wanted to post a neutral comment. I'm not saying every user is dumb, but there are enough silly people in the world to ruin these systems.

You raise a very valid point - which is why I randomly checked several games I had played over the last few years, and checked the user reviews on metacritic. The games which I enjoyed received favorable ratings, while they one game I didn't like (other than DA2, that is) had mediocre ratings.

Yes, a few guys living in Mom's basement with nothing else to do can bring the ratings down a bit. But take a moment to read some of the reviews, and it's clear that in many cases real people gave the game a poor rating. By the way - I gave the game a rating of 1.

You might also want to check out the amazon.com rating. It's currently sitting at 2 1/2 of our 5 stars (PC version). That's slightly higher than the metacritic review. Many of the reviewers are verified owners of the game.

Edit: just for clarity, the Signature edition has a 3-star rating on Amazon with 7 reviews. The non-signature edition has a 2.5 rating with 70+ reviews.

Modifié par toggled, 17 mars 2011 - 12:31 .

[Tamirel963]

I was not anticipating being out and out attacked for my opinion. Kind of shameful the way people are acting in this thread. It would be a nice thing for Bioware to do based on the feedback they are getting was my only statement. Like I said I was not disappointed with the game it was just not the quality I expect from Bioware. For people who are happy completely good for you, but considering how large and how vocal the vast majority of unhappy people are I was simply stating an idea for Bioware to consider. But please continue with the ridiculous backlash to a simple suggestion.

[termokanden]

I still don't see how you can seriously give this game a 1.

I was not anticipating being out and out attacked for my opinion. Kind of shameful the way people are acting in this thread. It would be a nice thing for Bioware to do based on the feedback they are getting was my only statement. Like I said I was not disappointed with the game it was just not the quality I expect from Bioware. For people who are happy completely good for you, but considering how large and how vocal the vast majority of unhappy people are I was simply stating an idea for Bioware to consider. But please continue with the ridiculous backlash to a simple suggestion.

Just trying to explain that they have no obligation to apologize, contrary to the belief of some people on the forums. A showing of good faith is always a good thing.

But honestly I think the best thing they could do now is still to show they are working seriously on fixing bugs and releasing a patch soon.

Modifié par termokanden, 17 mars 2011 - 12:34 .

[Steffin]

Free DLC is not going to help me play this game.

Also, how the heck could anyone play this for so long (>20 hours?!)? I barely made it over an hour before I had to shut it down.

Note: the reason I'm trolling is two fold. First to prevent folks from wasting money on this game, and second to drill into the dev's head that this is garbage, and if you are going to make a DA3 go back to Origins (pun intended).

[Athro]

CRISIS1717 wrote...

I just want Bioware to admit they didn't do the Dragon Age IP justice with Dragon Age 2.

I very much doubt they will give away paid DLC and lose money.

Whereas I feel they did a better job with the IP in DA2. DA:O's storyline would have fitted in any generic fantasy kingdom. DA2's storyline is explicitly linked to the history and mythology of the licence. It is much more faithful to the original concept of the world and I think it does a much better job of presenting a distinctive setting and world.

So I don't want them to admit that they didn't do the IP Justice because I feel that they did a *better* job of showing why Thedas is an interesting fantasy world than DA:O did.

C.

[Athro]

Steffin wrote...

Free DLC is not going to help me play this game.

Also, how the heck could anyone play this for so long (>20 hours?!)? I barely made it over an hour before I had to shut it down.

Note: the reason I'm trolling is two fold. First to prevent folks from wasting money on this game, and second to drill into the dev's head that this is garbage, and if you are going to make a DA3 go back to Origins (pun intended).

Care to explain why you shut it down so early? Anything non-subjective? Or was it just not to your tastes? Because you haven't given any compelling reason for why your opinion is any more valid than anyone else's here.

C,

[Trixsy]

nightlordv wrote...

$60 dollars for only 20 or so hours of gameplay and people got their money worth? Interesting indeed

Gameplay is subjective. My first playthrough was 35-40hr. I suspect my 2nd run will be shorter since I won't spend as much time getting lost in Kirkwall, but even if I had only played 20hr I would have been happy. I enjoyed the story, characters, and a lot of the quests. To me, that's getting my money worth. Of course there will be people that aren't pleased with the game, that will happen with EVERY game.

[B3taMaxxx]

Steffin wrote...
Note: the reason I'm trolling is two fold. First to prevent folks from wasting money on this game, and second to drill into the dev's head that this is garbage, and if you are going to make a DA3 go back to Origins (pun intended).

 You didn't even play the game, yet you pass judgement.   /u sad

[Itkovian]

toggled wrote...

Itkovian wrote...

They do not need to apologize to anyone for making a game that a subset of its followers did not enjoy.

Fact check: the vast majority of customers are deeply disappointed with DA2. Check out the metacritic reviews.

The very magnitude of the reaction on metacritic merely serves to undermine its validity. Too many reviews appeared in too short a time, with too much negative numbers. This shows that it is the actions of certain niche group(s) trying to register their displeasure by flooding metacritic. It is, in short, completely unrepresentative of the opinion of the majority of DA2 gamers (even IF the majority of players hated DA2, which is doubtful, metacritic still would not be a statistically viable of information due to this artificial bias).

That's not to say that it is not relevant: clearly a vocal subset of DAO fans were angered by the changes. But it is important to remember that the game was not specifically marketed at them. Modern game design concepts were applied to it in order to broaden its audience (alongside other changes due to short development cycle), and whether or not DA2 does please more people than DAO will be the determining factor of its success. In either case, no apology is necessary.

As my post addressed, DA2 is hardly alone in facing great negative reaction from "fans" upon release. Even the DAO forums were a mess...  the ME2 and Fallout 3 forums were far worse. The only difference here is that some groups decided to take it to metacritic.

Fortunately, the people in charge of evaluating internet opinon and reviews are quite aware of these phenomena when deciding what improements will help DA3.

Thank you.

Itkovian

[MerchantGOL]

Bioware has NOTHING to apologize for

I hope the continue to ignore the haters

[skyrend]

Ravenfeeder wrote...

I'm 18 hours in and still on Act 1.  It's a good game with some faults (reused areas, silly animations).  I expect to get my £25 ($40) worth.

18 hours worth of boring side quests and you're OK with it?

Also, I don't care about the game length as long as it was well made.  Uncharted 2 single player was well worth the price of admission, although I did put a good chunk of time into the multiplayer as well.  DA2, though, seems like a poorly made 10 hour game with even poorer filler to waste more time.

[Maverick827]

skyrend wrote...

Ravenfeeder wrote...

I'm 18 hours in and still on Act 1.  It's a good game with some faults (reused areas, silly animations).  I expect to get my £25 ($40) worth.

18 hours worth of boring side quests and you're OK with it?

Also, I don't care about the game length as long as it was well made.  Uncharted 2 single player was well worth the price of admission, although I did put a good chunk of time into the multiplayer as well.  DA2, though, seems like a poorly made 10 hour game with even poorer filler to waste more time.

It honestly boggles my mind how you cannot comprehend what you find boring others might find entertaining.

[skyrend]

Maverick827 wrote...

It honestly boggles my mind how you cannot comprehend what you find boring others might find entertaining.

Please try bringing up anything interesting from Act 1. 

Modifié par skyrend, 17 mars 2011 - 05:26 .

[Dubb3rs]

They don't owe you, me or anyone else anything....my head hurts....must stop reading these absurd posts...