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[johook213]

No apology is needed. I love the Dragon Age series!

[xenn]

Lol what nonsense, they dont need to apologise for anything. We dont have the sales figures yet but i bet it was a success not a failure. It just failed to live up to some peoples very high expectations. It wasn't a great game, but it wasn't bad either.

[TwistedComplex]

Allow me to summarize what OP said

"I didn't like one of your games, so you should give me free stuff"

My mouth is literally agape from how much of an ass you made yourself look like

And hey if they DO give us free stuff, I'll be as happy as the next guy, but to be this self-entitled is extraordinary, and trust me, I've been on these forums for a long time

Modifié par TwistedComplex, 17 mars 2011 - 06:17 .

[TheTWF]

B3taMaxxx wrote...

Going on this line of thought, shouldn't Obsidian give us their next game published by Bethesda for free?

I certainly won't be giving that lot another cent until they replace ALL of their programmers...

But yeah, Bioware owes no apoligies.

[fallingseraph]

Using the same areas over and over and over

Lack of race choices

Strict equipment setup

Bioware ruined what DAO had.

[Upset Goldfish]

I personally think we need an apology not for the game, but how they've dealt with the fallout.

We've had one member be blocked from playing his game for 72 hours because he criticised EA (They say it was an error, but who knows), we've had Chris Hoban of the Bioware development team rate the game on metacritic a perfect 10 whilst dismissing other reviews as "an over-reaction of personal preference", and another review linked back to Benoit Houle, without disclosing their links to the company, and in my own humble opinion, some dodgy moderating. (In terms of the moderating, I leave you with the question: how many times have you seen the dog in the giraffe costume? Yeah, exactly).

I think more of this is EA than Bioware, especially considering it was EA that wanted this game rushed out so fast to build on the success of DA:O, but even so I believe Bioware should just bow their heads and just say something along the lines of "We apologise for any and all actions that have taken place by our company in regards to Dragon Age II. We will be taking any and all consumer criticism on board, as we are dedicated to making the best products possible." or something similar.

And judging by how fast this game was pumped out, it's almost as if Bioware had no say in the matter. They need to throw their weight around with EA a little, and show that they aren't going to go the same way as Westwood Studios. If EA wants to play ball, they'll have to do it Bioware's way.

Just my humble opinion of course. Also I don't hate the game, but it's definitely no DA:O.

[MrTijger]

And judging by how fast this game was pumped out, it's almost as if Bioware had no say in the matter. They need to throw their weight around with EA a little, and show that they aren't going to go the same way as Westwood Studios. If EA wants to play ball, they'll have to do it Bioware's way.

Just my humble opinion of course. Also I don't hate the game, but it's definitely no DA:O.

You do know that Bioware is fully owned by EA, right? So I'm not sure what you are referring to when you say "throw their weight around", second, EA's track record has markedly improved under John Riccitiello.

Maybe you need to learn to accept that Bioware is not a collective who only exist to do what you want but is an actual company with a bottomline which makes decisions for themselves which you may or may not wholly agree with when it comes to games design.
DA 2 is a good game, I enjoyed it, I will give DAO the edge when held side by side but I see no reason to predict the sky to be falling or to demand an apology. Some parts of DA 2 are simply brilliant, I love the story line, I love the characters, I love the new combat animation and feel, I love the new skill trees.
I do not like the rehashing of in and exteriors, that is something that needs to be adressed and fixed in any next installment but everything else...no issue.

[Hoax86]

nightlordv wrote...

$60 dollars for only 20 or so hours of gameplay and people got their money worth? Interesting indeed

I paid $90 Australian for Modern Warfare 2 with no intention of playing multiplayer, and knocked the singleplayer over in four and a half hours. I paid $90 Australian for Dragon Age 2 and am currently in my second playthrough, after the first took 33 hours.

Guess which one I regret?

[Upset Goldfish]

MrTijger wrote...

And judging by how fast this game was pumped out, it's almost as if Bioware had no say in the matter. They need to throw their weight around with EA a little, and show that they aren't going to go the same way as Westwood Studios. If EA wants to play ball, they'll have to do it Bioware's way.

Just my humble opinion of course. Also I don't hate the game, but it's definitely no DA:O.

You do know that Bioware is fully owned by EA, right? So I'm not sure what you are referring to when you say "throw their weight around", second, EA's track record has markedly improved under John Riccitiello.

Maybe you need to learn to accept that Bioware is not a collective who only exist to do what you want but is an actual company with a bottomline which makes decisions for themselves which you may or may not wholly agree with when it comes to games design.
DA 2 is a good game, I enjoyed it, I will give DAO the edge when held side by side but I see no reason to predict the sky to be falling or to demand an apology. Some parts of DA 2 are simply brilliant, I love the story line, I love the characters, I love the new combat animation and feel, I love the new skill trees.
I do not like the rehashing of in and exteriors, that is something that needs to be adressed and fixed in any next installment but everything else...no issue.

Yes, I am aware they are fully owned by EA. My point is that the company wasn't dissolved and sent scattering into the various other arms of EA, and as such, it seems evident that EA value Bioware immensely. At the same time, I do think that EA may have pressured Bioware into releasing this earlier than it needed to be released. Even Inon Zur has mentioned this, so I'm sure some people feel the same at Bioware. My point was that if these feelings are felt, the fact that EA valuse Bioware as their own entity within EA, Bioware should probably look into how much weight their opinion holds amongst the EA execs, and try to utilise it a little more than they are, if they aren't already.

I understand that opinions are opinions, and I personally felt that it was a decent game. I also believe, however, that it could have greatly benefitted with a slightly longer development time. The storyline is indeed an improvement over "Oh no, a great evil looms", which is so ever-present in so many fantasy games, and some of the characters I felt were very well done.

I'm not taking this as an opportunity to criticise the game, but I PERSONALLY don't think it was up to par with DA:O. Although that had absolutely ages in development.

At the end of the day though, it just boils down to opinions.

[Phonantiphon]

WTF?
Why should they apologise?

[MerchantGOL]

fallingseraph wrote...

Using the same areas over and over and over

Lack of race choices

Strict equipment setup

Bioware ruined what DAO had.

LOL ar eu saying DAO DIDNT reususe a bunch of their areas?


The lack of race choice is the only legitmate complaint u mention and id rather have a protagonist that talks then a silent dwarf

[MrTijger]

Upset Goldfish wrote...

Yes, I am aware they are fully owned by EA. My point is that the company wasn't dissolved and sent scattering into the various other arms of EA, and as such, it seems evident that EA value Bioware immensely. At the same time, I do think that EA may have pressured Bioware into releasing this earlier than it needed to be released. Even Inon Zur has mentioned this, so I'm sure some people feel the same at Bioware. My point was that if these feelings are felt, the fact that EA valuse Bioware as their own entity within EA, Bioware should probably look into how much weight their opinion holds amongst the EA execs, and try to utilise it a little more than they are, if they aren't already.

I understand that opinions are opinions, and I personally felt that it was a decent game. I also believe, however, that it could have greatly benefitted with a slightly longer development time. The storyline is indeed an improvement over "Oh no, a great evil looms", which is so ever-present in so many fantasy games, and some of the characters I felt were very well done.

I'm not taking this as an opportunity to criticise the game, but I PERSONALLY don't think it was up to par with DA:O. Although that had absolutely ages in development.

At the end of the day though, it just boils down to opinions.

My problem with your ideas is that you are laying blame on an entity without having ANY knowledge what has or has not transpired between EA and Bioware. Besides the fact that they are one and the same company, Bioware has kept a certain autonomy with regards to their studios but honestly, I see absolutely no basis to conclude the decisions made on DA 2 were inspired by anyone but Bioware.

This is the same Bioware that made KOTOR an Xbox exclusive and fixed the major issues with that game in the PC version yet when similar issues arise with DA 2 its suddenly EA's fault? Does not compute.
I respect Bioware and yeah, I certainly have criticisms of DA 2 but I accept those as Bioware's faults/decisions and it would be much healthier if everyone stops looking for the boogeyman behind the curtains.

[Rizaun]

I don't think they should apologize, but i'd accept the mp3 of Destiny trailer .

[fallingseraph]

I'd like an apology and Archer Warriors, Elves as playable, Dwarves, Dual Wield warriors, Bards and everything else missing.

[Upset Goldfish]

MrTijger wrote...

Upset Goldfish wrote...

Yes, I am aware they are fully owned by EA. My point is that the company wasn't dissolved and sent scattering into the various other arms of EA, and as such, it seems evident that EA value Bioware immensely. At the same time, I do think that EA may have pressured Bioware into releasing this earlier than it needed to be released. Even Inon Zur has mentioned this, so I'm sure some people feel the same at Bioware. My point was that if these feelings are felt, the fact that EA valuse Bioware as their own entity within EA, Bioware should probably look into how much weight their opinion holds amongst the EA execs, and try to utilise it a little more than they are, if they aren't already.

I understand that opinions are opinions, and I personally felt that it was a decent game. I also believe, however, that it could have greatly benefitted with a slightly longer development time. The storyline is indeed an improvement over "Oh no, a great evil looms", which is so ever-present in so many fantasy games, and some of the characters I felt were very well done.

I'm not taking this as an opportunity to criticise the game, but I PERSONALLY don't think it was up to par with DA:O. Although that had absolutely ages in development.

At the end of the day though, it just boils down to opinions.

My problem with your ideas is that you are laying blame on an entity without having ANY knowledge what has or has not transpired between EA and Bioware. Besides the fact that they are one and the same company, Bioware has kept a certain autonomy with regards to their studios but honestly, I see absolutely no basis to conclude the decisions made on DA 2 were inspired by anyone but Bioware.

This is the same Bioware that made KOTOR an Xbox exclusive and fixed the major issues with that game in the PC version yet when similar issues arise with DA 2 its suddenly EA's fault? Does not compute.
I respect Bioware and yeah, I certainly have criticisms of DA 2 but I accept those as Bioware's faults/decisions and it would be much healthier if everyone stops looking for the boogeyman behind the curtains.

I'm not placing the blame entirely on one party or another. I'm placing the blame on a potentially shortened dev time. I stated in my previous post that " I do think that EA may have pressured Bioware into releasing this earlier than it needed to be released.", but the key word to remember there is "may". 

I don't want to point fingers at any party, after all, it's EA that funds most of this stuff in the first place. I just stated that in this instance, I believe EA pushed a shortened dev time, my point being backed up by Inon Zur's comment.

However, I was noting that after the takeover of Westwood Studios, EA have had a reputation for meddling in companies, also including Peter Molyneux's Bullfrog Interactive, of which they themselves noted.

At this stage, nobody knows who was responsible for which decisions, other than those involved. I was merely pointing out certain aspects that have been noticed before, and I mixed them with my own opinions. That's all. I'm not looking for any boogyman behind the curtains,  but if you return to my original post, I merely wish for an apology for the apparent mishandling of the fallout of DAII's release. I don't really care whether it comes from EA or Bioware to be honest, but I do PERSONALLY feel that EA has been very flippant in their responses, whilst certain members of Bioware have been rather too strict on certain forum posts.

As I said though, just opinions.

[misterdde]

Maybe you're right. But keep in mind that if the moderation is strict, it was mostly because of the bad behave of some people. The only thing on witch EA/Bioware should apology is the banning from the game. Something like that should not happens has it contradict most of the marketing law.

But all in all, no apologies needed here. Let them focus on a patch to fix the problems instead on a public apology.

[fallingseraph]

http://social.biowar...01898/4#6604659

My thread was locked because books only come in one price...

Which isn't true at all, there is Trade Paperback, Hardcover, mass market, and some shorter books have lower prices.

http://www.amazon.co...00353181&sr=8-7
http://www.amazon.co...0353205&sr=8-17

Differing prices for the same author on kindle.


I hate mods who abuse power.

I hate DA2 even more now.

Modifié par fallingseraph, 17 mars 2011 - 09:16 .

[AmyBA]

toggled wrote...

Itkovian wrote...

They do not need to apologize to anyone for making a game that a subset of its followers did not enjoy.

Fact check: the vast majority of customers are deeply disappointed with DA2. Check out the metacritic reviews.

Fact Check: reviews and ratings do not equate to the vast majority of customers, they are only indicative to the number of people in the outspoke minority (and believe me, people doing reviews and hanging out on forums ARE the minority of players). It is pretty clear some of those numbers are beyond trolling, people wanted DA:O v.2.0, and didn't get it and have taken an extreme on negatively reviewing the game. I know of a group of people on another forum who have said they are down rating and giving bad reviews every where they can, even though none of them have even played the game at ALL, they said they were doing it out of "principle".

For a small example, My husband and I got together with a group of our friends over the weekend, there was about 20ish of us together hanging out and playing video games, and most of us had played DA2 by then. When we got to talking about other games and then brought up DA2, everyone loved it but 1 person, who thought it was still ok. When we asked about if they knew anyone who didn't like the game, they all pretty much said that everyone they knew thought it was a lot of fun. We told them about the out cry of hate on the forums and how there were groups of people extremely unhappy with the game. Out of all of the people there, Only I apparently visit the forums, the rest, who have indeed played other Bioware games over the years (a few are big KoTOR fans), apparently didn't even know the forums existed when I mentioned them, and didn't even care that they did.

A big majority of people who play this game will not be on forums or on metacrtic or anywhere else giving reviews, most just don't care to that extent, and many developers over the years have acknowledged that fact.

And yes, as others have pointed out, DA:O was getting a lashing just as bad as this, if not worse in some cases when it came out, a lot of people were ranting and raving about how it was the most horrible Bioware game ever and that they screwed over all their RPG fans, etc. Same with Mass Effect 2, and yet Mass Effect 2 has proven to be one of their most successful game and has won numerous awards to back it up.

[Persephone]

What is it about this self absorbed idea that Bioware "owes" you any kind of apology because YOU dislike what they created? Should the author of Twilight apologize to me because I think her books are garbage? Should the devs of the "RPG" Vampire The Masquerade apologize to me because I, a P&P VTM player, think they never read the rulebook for the content they gave us? Hell no. I pity Bioware for having such a "fanbase". Whoever has such "fans", needs no haters.

[Persephone]

toggled wrote...

Itkovian wrote...

They do not need to apologize to anyone for making a game that a subset of its followers did not enjoy.

Fact check: the vast majority of customers are deeply disappointed with DA2. Check out the metacritic reviews.

Oh, that's adorable. You think Metacritic reviews mean ANYTHING. Precious, really.

[Persephone]

AmyBA wrote...

toggled wrote...

Itkovian wrote...

They do not need to apologize to anyone for making a game that a subset of its followers did not enjoy.

Fact check: the vast majority of customers are deeply disappointed with DA2. Check out the metacritic reviews.

Fact Check: reviews and ratings do not equate to the vast majority of customers, they are only indicative to the number of people in the outspoke minority (and believe me, people doing reviews and hanging out on forums ARE the minority of players). It is pretty clear some of those numbers are beyond trolling, people wanted DA:O v.2.0, and didn't get it and have taken an extreme on negatively reviewing the game. I know of a group of people on another forum who have said they are down rating and giving bad reviews every where they can, even though none of them have even played the game at ALL, they said they were doing it out of "principle".

For a small example, My husband and I got together with a group of our friends over the weekend, there was about 20ish of us together hanging out and playing video games, and most of us had played DA2 by then. When we got to talking about other games and then brought up DA2, everyone loved it but 1 person, who thought it was still ok. When we asked about if they knew anyone who didn't like the game, they all pretty much said that everyone they knew thought it was a lot of fun. We told them about the out cry of hate on the forums and how there were groups of people extremely unhappy with the game. Out of all of the people there, Only I apparently visit the forums, the rest, who have indeed played other Bioware games over the years (a few are big KoTOR fans), apparently didn't even know the forums existed when I mentioned them, and didn't even care that they did.

A big majority of people who play this game will not be on forums or on metacrtic or anywhere else giving reviews, most just don't care to that extent, and many developers over the years have acknowledged that fact.

And yes, as others have pointed out, DA:O was getting a lashing just as bad as this, if not worse in some cases when it came out, a lot of people were ranting and raving about how it was the most horrible Bioware game ever and that they screwed over all their RPG fans, etc. Same with Mass Effect 2, and yet Mass Effect 2 has proven to be one of their most successful game and has won numerous awards to back it up.

*Persephone approves + 100000000000000000000000*

[Radwar]

nightlordv wrote...

$60 dollars for only 20 or so hours of gameplay and people got their money worth? Interesting indeed

Funny, it took me 60 hours in my first playthrough. Perhaps you should take your time and not skip half of the sidequests.

[BomimoDK]

"idea for a showing of good faith (apology?) from bioware."
Wow. You guys sure aren't getting ahead of yourselves at all are you? what makes you think anyone from bioware owes you anything? Entitled whiners.

[BomimoDK]

xenn wrote...

Lol what nonsense, they dont need to apologise for anything. We dont have the sales figures yet but i bet it was a success not a failure. It just failed to live up to some peoples very high expectations. It wasn't a great game, but it wasn't bad either.

It's not high standards to expect features NOT to be cut. Seriously, you guys are getting thicker and thicker.

[xenn]

BomimoDK wrote...

xenn wrote...

Lol what nonsense, they dont need to apologise for anything. We dont have the sales figures yet but i bet it was a success not a failure. It just failed to live up to some peoples very high expectations. It wasn't a great game, but it wasn't bad either.

It's not high standards to expect features NOT to be cut. Seriously, you guys are getting thicker and thicker.

Clearly your expectations where very high. I loved DAO, and i would have preferred more of the same, but resorting to insults because you didn't get want you wanted is rather sad.