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[xenn]

BomimoDK wrote...

xenn wrote...

Lol what nonsense, they dont need to apologise for anything. We dont have the sales figures yet but i bet it was a success not a failure. It just failed to live up to some peoples very high expectations. It wasn't a great game, but it wasn't bad either.

It's not high standards to expect features NOT to be cut. Seriously, you guys are getting thicker and thicker.

Clearly your expectations where very high. I loved DAO and i would have preferred more of the same, but resorting to immature insults because you didn't get what you wanted is rather sad and pathetic.

[misterdde]

errr I don't think we, quite hunnapy customers, are that few. I can count more than 50 people i know who dislike the direction took by the game ( irl ). Therefor it's not a rating standart of majority or minority. All I know is that people who don't express themselve can potentialy be on the two side of the fence. Whe can't tell if most people are decived or not. All I can say, is that i want to origin spirit back. It's my personnal opinion and i'll stand by it. Now, da2 is not the garbage bag alot of people seems to say. It has it's own quality but as origin is the only reference for dragon age, i think da2 does not fit to this series. The concept deserve to have it's own serie IMO but if bioware keep this direction, it will not be " a " dragon age-like.

[Vajraja]

I don't think they owe me anything. It's a good/ok game. I'm just going to do the sensible consumer thing, and no longer just give $$$s to Bioware,it used to be a very simple decision. Not so much anymore.

[Oerwinde]

If Bioware has to apologize for anything its Witch Hunt.

[Phonantiphon]

Basically you're just p1ssed because it's different and you, in common with many gamers, are incredibly conservative and don't like change.
Games must evolve in order to stay relevant in the marketplace.
DA2 is IMHO an excellent example of why evolution is a very good thing, because it is a very good evolution of an already very good game.
So tough.
Bioware owe you nothing.

[Tripedius]

Well Micheal Bay did apoligize for TF2. But seriously, the only thing BW needs to do is make a profit. In the end they answer to EA and not to us. If said behavior leads to the end of BW so be it, but excuses won't make me like the game nor have faith that the next game will be up to par. Besides it would be a tad ridiculous.

[B3taMaxxx]

Tripedius wrote...

Well Micheal Bay did apoligize for TF2.

 He didn't go far enough.

[Tripedius]

bassmunkee wrote...

Basically you're just p1ssed because it's different and you, in common with many gamers, are incredibly conservative and don't like change.
Games must evolve in order to stay relevant in the marketplace.
DA2 is IMHO an excellent example of why evolution is a very good thing, because it is a very good evolution of an already very good game.
So tough.
Bioware owe you nothing.

While I agree that BW ows us nothing, I like to point out that your remarks are quite stupid. This has nothing to do with not liking change. Some (a lot of) people don't like this game and don't like the direction of the change. This doesn't imply that they do not like change. If in the next FPS you get to hand out flowers instead of shooting the bad guys and you don't like it does it make you a conservative who does not like change? You should be a politician, you got the lying and false reasoning for it.

[WidowMaker9394]

They owe me nothing. I wont say no to free stuff but they've been good to me and I can't ask for more with good conscience.

[Captain Iglo]

If the game is very buggy, they might. But if the game is not your taste, then their is nothing they need to apologize for.

[BomimoDK]

xenn wrote...

BomimoDK wrote...

xenn wrote...

Lol what nonsense, they dont need to apologise for anything. We dont have the sales figures yet but i bet it was a success not a failure. It just failed to live up to some peoples very high expectations. It wasn't a great game, but it wasn't bad either.

It's not high standards to expect features NOT to be cut. Seriously, you guys are getting thicker and thicker.

Clearly your expectations where very high. I loved DAO and i would have preferred more of the same, but resorting to immature insults because you didn't get what you wanted is rather sad and pathetic.

If you call expecting features to be intact, then sure. And i presume you also believed that expecting inventory in ME2 was high expectations? All i want is an isometric camera and the ability to gear my characters. Sure, go on about my insults if you want, but it doesn't change that something's wrong with your head if you view "expecting features and core gameplay to be intact"  as high expectations. I don't care about voice vs no-voice. I DO care when the pathfinding and curser targeting system is obviously geared towards an isemetric camere that is not there. I really hate to have to click somewhere midair to mark an enemy just because they aligned it with a top-down view. I've had so many issues with this camera that you wouldn't believe when it comes to micromanagement.

I can't dress Aveline in armor of the fallen or Blood dragon armor. Control is out of my hands. All of this was in Origins and is now cut. Call it high expectations if you want, but it's not. It's something i think we could all naturally assume to be carried over into a sequel.

My gripes are not with the story or the telling of it, they're all based on the gameplay.

[Legbiter]

Why?

There's nothing wrong with the game per se. No game ending bugs or anything like that. Get over yourself.

[HyperLimited]

B3taMaxxx wrote...

nightlordv wrote...

$60 dollars for only 20 or so hours of gameplay and people got their money worth? Interesting indeed

 You can't fully play the game and finish it within that time frame. Oh, and 20hrs is 12hrs longer than 90% of games.

 /go figure

Yes you can, if you don't waste time dwaddling around Kirkwall like most people seem to be doing. 

[B3taMaxxx]

HyperLimited wrote...

B3taMaxxx wrote...

nightlordv wrote...

$60 dollars for only 20 or so hours of gameplay and people got their money worth? Interesting indeed

 You can't fully play the game and finish it within that time frame. Oh, and 20hrs is 12hrs longer than 90% of games.

 /go figure

Yes you can, if you don't waste time dwaddling around Kirkwall like most people seem to be doing. 

 Yes, yes, but I don't. Well, atleast in my last two playthroughs. My first two attempts at my first playthrough I restarted because of various reasons (feeling I missed something / conversations not going the right way and so on). I do that quite often. So my first playthrough I had nearly everything memorized, except for the last 10% of the game. My second playthrough I didn't dwaddle, but finished as fast as poissible without missing anything so I could create another non-warrior type of character. I still came in at 30 hours. If I wanted to do a speed run I'm sure I could cut that down to 25 hours.

 But that's not what these folks did. They played the game, for the first time, and some claim with doing every quest possible while completing the game in under 20 hours. Sounds fishy to me.

Modifié par B3taMaxxx, 17 mars 2011 - 12:23 .

[Persephone]

BomimoDK wrote...

xenn wrote...

BomimoDK wrote...

xenn wrote...

Lol what nonsense, they dont need to apologise for anything. We dont have the sales figures yet but i bet it was a success not a failure. It just failed to live up to some peoples very high expectations. It wasn't a great game, but it wasn't bad either.

It's not high standards to expect features NOT to be cut. Seriously, you guys are getting thicker and thicker.

Clearly your expectations where very high. I loved DAO and i would have preferred more of the same, but resorting to immature insults because you didn't get what you wanted is rather sad and pathetic.

If you call expecting features to be intact, then sure. And i presume you also believed that expecting inventory in ME2 was high expectations? All i want is an isometric camera and the ability to gear my characters. Sure, go on about my insults if you want, but it doesn't change that something's wrong with your head if you view "expecting features and core gameplay to be intact"  as high expectations. I don't care about voice vs no-voice. I DO care when the pathfinding and curser targeting system is obviously geared towards an isemetric camere that is not there. I really hate to have to click somewhere midair to mark an enemy just because they aligned it with a top-down view. I've had so many issues with this camera that you wouldn't believe when it comes to micromanagement.

I can't dress Aveline in armor of the fallen or Blood dragon armor. Control is out of my hands. All of this was in Origins and is now cut. Call it high expectations if you want, but it's not. It's something i think we could all naturally assume to be carried over into a sequel.

My gripes are not with the story or the telling of it, they're all based on the gameplay.

I agree that the isometric camera and playing dress up with the companions being stripped away was unnecessary. Why not give everyone Hawke's layout? Granted some companions change clothes ONCE, but it's not like that's plot heavy or in any way an excuse. I hope the modders can fix the dressing up issue, they are working on it now. But I doubt that modders can fix the awkward camera issue.

[xenn]

BomimoDK wrote...

xenn wrote...

BomimoDK wrote...

xenn wrote...

Lol what nonsense, they dont need to apologise for anything. We dont have the sales figures yet but i bet it was a success not a failure. It just failed to live up to some peoples very high expectations. It wasn't a great game, but it wasn't bad either.

It's not high standards to expect features NOT to be cut. Seriously, you guys are getting thicker and thicker.

Clearly your expectations where very high. I loved DAO and i would have preferred more of the same, but resorting to immature insults because you didn't get what you wanted is rather sad and pathetic.

If you call expecting features to be intact, then sure. And i presume you also believed that expecting inventory in ME2 was high expectations? All i want is an isometric camera and the ability to gear my characters. Sure, go on about my insults if you want, but it doesn't change that something's wrong with your head if you view "expecting features and core gameplay to be intact"  as high expectations. I don't care about voice vs no-voice. I DO care when the pathfinding and curser targeting system is obviously geared towards an isemetric camere that is not there. I really hate to have to click somewhere midair to mark an enemy just because they aligned it with a top-down view. I've had so many issues with this camera that you wouldn't believe when it comes to micromanagement.

I can't dress Aveline in armor of the fallen or Blood dragon armor. Control is out of my hands. All of this was in Origins and is now cut. Call it high expectations if you want, but it's not. It's something i think we could all naturally assume to be carried over into a sequel.

My gripes are not with the story or the telling of it, they're all based on the gameplay.

You know whats funny, i was originaly against DA2 but the more time i spend on this forum talking to haters like you the more i find myself defending DA2 and Bioware. Your waiting for an apology that wont be given. Bioware aimed this game at the console players. That's where the money is in video games these days. I dont like it either. I love pc rpg style games like DAO, but thats just the way it is these days. Im afraid your just going to to live with the changes that Bioware has taken or find a new hobby.

[Phonantiphon]

Tripedius wrote...

bassmunkee wrote...

Basically you're just p1ssed because it's different and you, in common with many gamers, are incredibly conservative and don't like change.
Games must evolve in order to stay relevant in the marketplace.
DA2 is IMHO an excellent example of why evolution is a very good thing, because it is a very good evolution of an already very good game.
So tough.
Bioware owe you nothing.

While I agree that BW ows us nothing, I like to point out that your remarks are quite stupid. This has nothing to do with not liking change. Some (a lot of) people don't like this game and don't like the direction of the change. This doesn't imply that they do not like change. If in the next FPS you get to hand out flowers instead of shooting the bad guys and you don't like it does it make you a conservative who does not like change? You should be a politician, you got the lying and false reasoning for it.

You mean "specious" not stupid.
handing out flowers instead of shooting people would mean it was not an FPS in the first place and therefore renders your question invalid.
I haven't put any false reasoning in my post.
My initial statement was a generalisation undoubtedly and whilst not necessarily 100% applicable in your case I still stand by the fact that many gamers do come across as very resistant to change in general, not with regards to "the direction".
The posts on this forum for the most part do appear to be from people who are more interested in giving the game/bioware a good slagging and rather less interested in formulating a reasoned argument with bullet points as to WHY they don't like something on any other level than that of a purely subjective one.
I think there is a lot of the same old "I'm on the internet and a bit of a warrior,me"-ness going on.
Constructive criticism is undoubtedly a good thing but the actual percentage of constructive criticism on this forum as a whole is probably a very small amount in relation to the rest of it, which just comes across as a lot of toy-throwing and tantrums.
[EDIT]
It's also difficult to take posts seriously when they are prefixed/titled by the sort of melodramatically high-handed verbage that afflicts some (a lot) of the posts on here, which to be honest imply nothing more than the fact that whichever OP it is really should get out more and gain some sort of perspective.

Modifié par bassmunkee, 17 mars 2011 - 01:13 .

[Seras-s]

I'll gladly accept free stuff as an apology for not being able to play the game at all due to freezing constantly. Other than that I don't think they have anything to really apologise for, they made the game the way they made it. Can't please everyone.

[Veracruz]

fallingseraph wrote...

I'd like an apology and Archer Warriors, Elves as playable, Dwarves, Dual Wield warriors, Bards and everything else missing.

They are not missing from Dragon Age II (never intented to be playable). Neither are they missing from Dragon Age: Origins (they are playable).

[BomimoDK]

xenn wrote...

BomimoDK wrote...

xenn wrote...

BomimoDK wrote...

xenn wrote...

Lol what nonsense, they dont need to apologise for anything. We dont have the sales figures yet but i bet it was a success not a failure. It just failed to live up to some peoples very high expectations. It wasn't a great game, but it wasn't bad either.

It's not high standards to expect features NOT to be cut. Seriously, you guys are getting thicker and thicker.

Clearly your expectations where very high. I loved DAO and i would have preferred more of the same, but resorting to immature insults because you didn't get what you wanted is rather sad and pathetic.

If you call expecting features to be intact, then sure. And i presume you also believed that expecting inventory in ME2 was high expectations? All i want is an isometric camera and the ability to gear my characters. Sure, go on about my insults if you want, but it doesn't change that something's wrong with your head if you view "expecting features and core gameplay to be intact"  as high expectations. I don't care about voice vs no-voice. I DO care when the pathfinding and curser targeting system is obviously geared towards an isemetric camere that is not there. I really hate to have to click somewhere midair to mark an enemy just because they aligned it with a top-down view. I've had so many issues with this camera that you wouldn't believe when it comes to micromanagement.

I can't dress Aveline in armor of the fallen or Blood dragon armor. Control is out of my hands. All of this was in Origins and is now cut. Call it high expectations if you want, but it's not. It's something i think we could all naturally assume to be carried over into a sequel.

My gripes are not with the story or the telling of it, they're all based on the gameplay.

You know whats funny, i was originaly against DA2 but the more time i spend on this forum talking to haters like you the more i find myself defending DA2 and Bioware. Your waiting for an apology that wont be given. Bioware aimed this game at the console players. That's where the money is in video games these days. I dont like it either. I love pc rpg style games like DAO, but thats just the way it is these days. Im afraid your just going to to live with the changes that Bioware has taken or find a new hobby.

BomimoDK wrote...

"idea for a showing of good faith (apology?) from bioware."
Wow.
You guys sure aren't getting ahead of yourselves at all are you? what
makes you think anyone from bioware owes you anything? Entitled
whiners.

So take that assumption and shove it. I think i'm being very lenient and sensible compared to alot of the freaks/haters here. I only want functional gameplay. That means that they should NOT optimize for a camera that was cut. That was the "click in midair" anger thing. Another is the whole deal with gearing.

I don't know why you feel obligated to defend GAMEPLAY elements. THe story is utter bollocks to whine at since everyone gets something very subjective out of it, but i do NOT think that it is high/ unreasonable expectations to expect gameplay features to stay in for a sequel. When it comes to gameplay, this game has regressed from the prequel. That's bad no matter how you cut it. Even those who do not "care" or does not really need it can agree that it's very inconvenient for those who were hoping to play that way. It's not even a far out thing to expect to be able to do.

I was also very fine with the "new" (cut down) camera since i expected the curser to be able to go with it, but i keep having to click mid-air every now and then and i have to click 3-5 times sometimes to make it register where i want the party to go. Not to mention how impossible it is to target a target behind another, bigger target. and here's the golden one. When your character is stuck in a corner and you can't see **** from that angle in order to click a safe location for him. That's SERIOUSLY inhibiting when responsiveness is vital. They pretty much cut the only view you could play the game optimally from.

I don't think it's extreme to complain about control issues. I think it's extreme to complain about how this game has no archdemon or blight or missing (broken) classes. whatever. (races are slightly understandable, but i decided to just go along with bioware on this one).

So overall i accept the story since it's subjective, i accepted the new controls until it proved seriously inhibiting. I accepted the gearing limitations (for the sake of eastetics) untill that got in the way too. Furthermore. I'm not demanding that they fix this at all. I'm sure i'll get my mods for both, but i'm seriously hoping that they WILL listen to at least the sensible end of critisism so we can all enjoy a DA3 that will at the very least respond properly to our clicks. It's not even requests, it's just random and loud screaming that's a ton more sane than the rest of the stuff here.

Modifié par BomimoDK, 17 mars 2011 - 02:32 .

[Phonantiphon]

BomimoDK wrote...

xenn wrote...

BomimoDK wrote...

xenn wrote...

BomimoDK wrote...

xenn wrote...

Lol what nonsense, they dont need to apologise for anything. We dont have the sales figures yet but i bet it was a success not a failure. It just failed to live up to some peoples very high expectations. It wasn't a great game, but it wasn't bad either.

It's not high standards to expect features NOT to be cut. Seriously, you guys are getting thicker and thicker.

Clearly your expectations where very high. I loved DAO and i would have preferred more of the same, but resorting to immature insults because you didn't get what you wanted is rather sad and pathetic.

If you call expecting features to be intact, then sure. And i presume you also believed that expecting inventory in ME2 was high expectations? All i want is an isometric camera and the ability to gear my characters. Sure, go on about my insults if you want, but it doesn't change that something's wrong with your head if you view "expecting features and core gameplay to be intact"  as high expectations. I don't care about voice vs no-voice. I DO care when the pathfinding and curser targeting system is obviously geared towards an isemetric camere that is not there. I really hate to have to click somewhere midair to mark an enemy just because they aligned it with a top-down view. I've had so many issues with this camera that you wouldn't believe when it comes to micromanagement.

I can't dress Aveline in armor of the fallen or Blood dragon armor. Control is out of my hands. All of this was in Origins and is now cut. Call it high expectations if you want, but it's not. It's something i think we could all naturally assume to be carried over into a sequel.

My gripes are not with the story or the telling of it, they're all based on the gameplay.

You know whats funny, i was originaly against DA2 but the more time i spend on this forum talking to haters like you the more i find myself defending DA2 and Bioware. Your waiting for an apology that wont be given. Bioware aimed this game at the console players. That's where the money is in video games these days. I dont like it either. I love pc rpg style games like DAO, but thats just the way it is these days. Im afraid your just going to to live with the changes that Bioware has taken or find a new hobby.

BomimoDK wrote...

"idea for a showing of good faith (apology?) from bioware."
Wow.
You guys sure aren't getting ahead of yourselves at all are you? what
makes you think anyone from bioware owes you anything? Entitled
whiners.

So take that assumption and shove it. I think i'm being very lenient and sensible compared to alot of the freaks/haters here. I only want functional gameplay. That means that they should NOT optimize for a camera that was cut. That was the "click in midair" anger thing. Another is the whole deal with gearing.

I don't know why you feel obligated to defend GAMEPLAY elements. THe story is utter bollocks to whine at since everyone gets something very subjective out of it, but i do NOT think that it is high/ unreasonable expectations to expect gameplay features to stay in for a sequel. When it comes to gameplay, this game has regressed from the prequel. That's bad no matter how you cut it. Even those who do not "care" or does not really need it can agree that it's very inconvenient for those who were hoping to play that way. It's not even a far out thing to expect to be able to do.

I was also very fine with the "new" (cut down) camera since i expected the curser to be able to go with it, but i keep having to click mid-air every now and then and i have to click 3-5 times sometimes to make it register where i want the party to go. Not to mention how impossible it is to target a target behind another, bigger target. and here's the golden one. When your character is stuck in a corner and you can't see **** from that angle in order to click a safe location for him. That's SERIOUSLY inhibiting when responsiveness is vital. They pretty much cut the only view you could play the game optimally from.

I don't think it's extreme to complain about control issues. I think it's extreme to complain about how this game has no archdemon or blight or missing (broken) classes. whatever. (races are slightly understandable, but i decided to just go along with bioware on this one).

So overall i accept the story since it's subjective, i accepted the new controls until it proved seriously inhibiting. I accepted the gearing limitations (for the sake of eastetics) untill that got in the way too. Furthermore. I'm not demanding that they fix this at all. I'm sure i'll get my mods for both, but i'm seriously hoping that they WILL listen to at least the sensible end of critisism so we can all enjoy a DA3 that will at the very least respond properly to our clicks. It's not even requests, it's just random and loud screaming that's a ton more sane than the rest of the stuff here.

WE HAVE TO GO DEEPER 

[xenn]

@BomimoDK

TL/DR

Your nerdism is mind numbing. Grow some balls and get a life, go out and get laid, its just a game.

[Goldrock]

I miss pre da and masseffect forums i miss the old nwn forums wernt so many spoided arse kids in them. I so loved da2 i love all things bioware mainly because they are one of a very few companies that actually know how too make a true rpg game.

[Phonantiphon]

xenn wrote...

@BomimoDK

TL/DR

Your nerdism is mind numbing. Grow some balls and get a life, go out and get laid, its just a game.

I have just logged on especially to quote this and say +1.
Although equally @BomimoDK - TL;DR.

[HawXV2]

HyperLimited wrote...

B3taMaxxx wrote...

nightlordv wrote...

$60 dollars for only 20 or so hours of gameplay and people got their money worth? Interesting indeed

 You can't fully play the game and finish it within that time frame. Oh, and 20hrs is 12hrs longer than 90% of games.

 /go figure

Yes you can, if you don't waste time dwaddling around Kirkwall like most people seem to be doing. 

That's only doing the main story. Origins is this short if you speedplay like that.