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[PhrosniteAgainROFL]

I loved DA2. I enjoyed it more than ME2. DA:O is still my all-time favourite though After I finish DA2 2 more times this might change

[johook213]

I don't think DA2 is the worst bioware game made. Like I mentioned earlier, I couldn't even get into KOTOR and ME1/ME2 because they just aren't the type of games I like to play. I will not even attempt to rate those games because my opinion would be unfairly biased. Why ruin something for someone else? *sigh*

Modifié par johook213, 17 mars 2011 - 05:36 .

[Rockpopple]

I'm on the fence as to whether I'm enjoying this more than I enjoyed ME2. I mean ME 2 was really, really good. I'm having a blast with DA II though... so I guess only time will tell.

[misterdde]

UkiiUkii wrote...

Agreeing so hard with OP. This game just completely blew my mind.

For me, Mass Effect 2 kind of set the quality standard that I expect from videogames.

Dragon Age 2...didn't so much raise that standard as completely BROKE it. It will be so hard to play other videogames now without being like "well, it's alright but it's not DA2"

Kudos to you Bioware, this game is brilliant. It was everything I could've hoped for and more.

Just a little question. If the game would have beenmade with more area, more interaction with your companion, awsome deathblow like the first ogre, more interaction with surrounding NPC, wouldn't have it been even better ?

[e1team]

Totally agree with OP. Great game!

[Rockpopple]

Can't you say that about every game ever made?

If Mass Effect 2 had more characters, more quests, more music tracks, more weapons, etc, wouldn't it have been even better?

Of coooooooooooooourse.

So?

[UkiiUkii]

misterdde wrote...

UkiiUkii wrote...

Agreeing so hard with OP. This game just completely blew my mind.

For me, Mass Effect 2 kind of set the quality standard that I expect from videogames.

Dragon Age 2...didn't so much raise that standard as completely BROKE it. It will be so hard to play other videogames now without being like "well, it's alright but it's not DA2"

Kudos to you Bioware, this game is brilliant. It was everything I could've hoped for and more.

Just a little question. If the game would have beenmade with more area, more interaction with your companion, awsome deathblow like the first ogre, more interaction with surrounding NPC, wouldn't have it been even better ?

Well, I would've loved to see more companion interaction, but I would feel that way even if the entire game was just you interacting with your companions hahaha.I can't ever get enough of that.  I like the new system a lot though, I love that they interact amongst themselves without Hawke etc etc.

Yeah, more NPC interaction would be nice but I honestly didn't even notice it as a negative point until I came to the forums haha.

There's definitely some minor things that could've been a tad better, but they're so minor that I finished the game being completely satisfied

[misterdde]

Well, so the game has strayed out of origin line of playing. All the point i've told was what i've expected from a dragon age labeled game.I'm not saying the game is bad. I don't regrets buyint it at all, quite the contrary. just that it could have been much better and prevent itself from being flamed because of that. I don't like the trolls or the flame topic. But mostly that's the point coming often whithin them.

UkiiUkii wrote...

Well, I would've loved to see more
companion interaction, but I would feel that way even if the entire game
was just you interacting with your companions hahaha.I can't ever get
enough of that.  I like the new system a lot though, I love that they
interact amongst themselves without Hawke etc etc.

Yeah, more
NPC interaction would be nice but I honestly didn't even notice it as a
negative point until I came to the forums haha.

There's
definitely some minor things that could've been a tad better, but
they're so minor that I finished the game being completely satisfied

Well, it seems minor to you, but at my eyes, it's more major. I'm certain that b ioware can come with a great dragon age 3 that cas put aside all critics and gather the 2 community that just been formed.

Modifié par misterdde, 17 mars 2011 - 05:56 .

[Eterna]

I liked Origins better, however this is still a really fun game.

[Rocambole4]

CaptainVanguard wrote...

There is no way I can critise this game and I will not spoil it but I will say this even if I am flamed for it.

Bioware did the best of a job that EA pushed a timelimit towards, neither party is guilty but given the time Bioware had to make this id say this was an absoleute miracle made flesh.

The systems that were addressed and complained about in Origins were addressed and what I am amused by is how people who complained about them now complain about number two.  I would go as far to say there are some people who will never be satisfied untill a game is either exactly the same as BG or the same as WoW or the same as Diablo.

This is none of the above, remember that.

Maybe you should remember that. DA:O had a system not like Diablo, WoW or any other game.

What did they do? They damaged the "uniqueness" to make people that cannot change chars during combat more content. So the game is now more closely related to wow, Diablo or any console action game (heck, sometimes I feel like playing God of War when I'm playing rogue or warrior on normal dificulty).

DA:O had ONE major flaw (on PC - on consoles it was a disaster, why?  THE SAME REASON, the focused too much on action game playability).

The reason was - the game was not responsive. The chars would stop and then resume order, the whole thing was not organic.

Was it addressed? Yes. And they they added, for no reson at all, 2 other, more serious issues to the combat system, and at least one more grave issue to the game (locations repeaded ad nauseam).

DA2 is a good game, but DA:O is better, and that's not what we expect when we buy a sequel.

[Legbiter]

The amount of forum whining from the neckbeards now is about the same as it was for DA:O.

[RedShft]

 Agreed, this is one of their best games to date. The compexity of story and characters makes DA2 a more enjoyable experience than the Mass Effect series. Although ME2 used to be my favorite game, finishing DA2 is just an epic experience, one that no other game provides, even ME2.

Modifié par RedShft, 17 mars 2011 - 06:11 .

[misterdde]

Rocambole4 wrote...

Maybe you should remember that. DA:O had a system not like Diablo, WoW or any other game.

What did they do? They damaged the "uniqueness" to make people that cannot change chars during combat more content. So the game is now more closely related to wow, Diablo or any console action game (heck, sometimes I feel like playing God of War when I'm playing rogue or warrior on normal dificulty).

DA:O had ONE major flaw (on PC - on consoles it was a disaster, why?  THE SAME REASON, the focused too much on action game playability).

The reason was - the game was not responsive. The chars would stop and then resume order, the whole thing was not organic.

Was it addressed? Yes. And they they added, for no reson at all, 2 other, more serious issues to the combat system, and at least one more grave issue to the game (locations repeaded ad nauseam).

DA2 is a good game, but DA:O is better, and that's not what we expect when we buy a sequel.

I'm not sure the terme even exist in english but, you totaly put words out of my mouth. Coulnd't said it better.

Legbiter wrote...

The amount of forum whining from the neckbeards now is about the same as it was for DA:O.

I wasn't their for origin so can't really tell that. But the game just feel too different in order to be a proper sequel to dragon age. It should have diserve more positive review but it shouldn't had been call " a proper sequel to origin " as they have strip out the "uniqueness" of origin as rocambole said

Modifié par misterdde, 17 mars 2011 - 06:12 .

[UkiiUkii]

I think the main reason I prefer DA2 over Origins, and this is very much a personal opinion, guys, is that I'm not a big fan of rpgs in general. The bigger and more sand-boxy a game is, the less interested I'll be in it.

For example, in Origins, because the Grey Warden is pretty much a blank slate, I never really got attached to the character, and by extent was less emotionally involved in the game overall.

Whereas in DAII you've got Hawke. And while you can manipulate how Hawke will handle a situation, he/she is to a certain extent a defined character, someone I can get attached to.

For some reason, the more freedom I am given to do whatever I want, the less immserive I find the game.

I definitely see why people who were fans of Origins wouldn't be happy with DA2, since it's a very different kind of game. But for me, precisely because it was completely different from Origins, less overall "here is this world we created go have fun" and more "here's the story of some dude/chick who lived in this world" I found it much more emotionally engaging.

(Also better combat system. )

[Legbiter]

The combat system in DA II is vastly superior to that of the first, so much so I don't see myself going back to it.

[UkiiUkii]

Legbiter wrote...

The combat system in DA II is vastly superior to that of the first, so much so I don't see myself going back to it.

Haha, I tried going back to finish my Origins file after playing DA2. Going back and fighting with my Rogue Grey Warden it was just. It was painful. I actually had to stop playing after an hour because it was so boring.

[Vicious]

Legbiter wrote...

The amount of forum whining from the neckbeards now is about the same as it was for DA:O.

Yeah, I remember DA:O getting flamed to high heck

. The game was too short, I hate Morrigan, I hate all the companions, This is another 'go to 5 areas, gather the army/collect the artifacts then beat the game' plot, The Archdemon was boring, the Archdemon had no character, Loghain was more of a villain than the Archdemon, XXX Origin sucked, Origins had no impact on gameplay, Alistair dumped me, Boring Quests, FedEx quests, All Weapons/Armor look exactly the same except with color differences, the companions aren't believable, I can max approval with everyone in the first 5 minutes, I can complete a romance on my first visit to camp, We all go to Morrigan's tent to have sex,

ETC ETC AD NAUSEAM 

[UkiiUkii]

The best thing about forums is that people can say whatever they want.

The worst thing about forums is that people can say whatever they want.

[johook213]

DA:O isn't necessarily better than DA2. It's like comparing apples to oranges, folks. DA2 went in a new direction (which was made clear to use during production), and people aren't liking the type of game that DA2 is. This does not make it a bad game. This is all about preference. I don't like Neverwinter Nights, KOTOR, ME1/2, Elder Scrolls, and my list could go on. Are they bad games? Nah, there are people who enjoy them a lot. They just aren't the type of games I find enjoyable. ^^

Some of my favorites? Dragon Age Origins and Dragon Age 2, Ultima 6, 7 (part 1 and 2), Baldur's Gate 1 and 2, Final Fantasy 4, 6, 7, 9, 10, 12, and 13, Final Fantasy Tactics, Wing Commander 1 thru 4.... and I'm sure some of you guys would totally disagree with me on these games, but I think they are some of the most enjoyable and memorable titles i've played. I once played Ultima Online back in the late 90s, and I also play the MMORPGS FFXI and FFXIV today. Heck, Final Fantasy totally changes the settings, world, lore, characters, engine, and mechanics with each of it's titles. lol

I understand some people being disappointed. Dragon Age offered a little taste of the glory days of RPGs (baldur's gate), and then it went in a completely different direction. That sucks, but games evolve people.

[AtreiyaN7]

NKKKK wrote...

I bet this thread isn't going to get locked.

Yes, I'm sure it won't - just like most of the threads where there's whinging and negativity don't get shut down.

[TJSolo]

DA:O isn't necessarily better than DA2. It's like comparing apples to oranges, folks.

That isn't a good thing when discuss a sequel to a game that happens in the same generation.

I understand some people being disappointed. Dragon Age offered a little taste of the glory days of RPGs (baldur's gate), and then it went in a completely different direction. That sucks, but games evolve people.

EA Bioware copying action adventure games and removing RPG elements is not evolution, it is parroting(badly).

[misterdde]

Vicious wrote...

Legbiter wrote...

The amount of forum whining from the neckbeards now is about the same as it was for DA:O.

Yeah, I remember DA:O getting flamed to high heck

. The game was too short, I hate Morrigan, I hate all the companions, This is another 'go to 5 areas, gather the army/collect the artifacts then beat the game' plot, The Archdemon was boring, the Archdemon had no character, Loghain was more of a villain than the Archdemon, XXX Origin sucked, Origins had no impact on gameplay, Alistair dumped me, Boring Quests, FedEx quests, All Weapons/Armor look exactly the same except with color differences, the companions aren't believable, I can max approval with everyone in the first 5 minutes, I can complete a romance on my first visit to camp, We all go to Morrigan's tent to have sex,

ETC ETC AD NAUSEAM 

now i'm getting a better view of the situation. And their is one thing that totally changed the games after a litlle time. the toolset. I'm certain most people wouldn't whine that much if a toolset comes out. With some mod adds to the game, i'm certain it could fit to our wants much better.

[Lee337]

DA:O might have got complaints as did Mass Effect 2, and still does, but the complaints of these games are usually personal taste and vary a lot from person to person.
DA2 however gets a lot of the same complaints, and deeper ones than just "I hate the combat" or "It's not an RPG".
I think the metacritic score shows the difference between ME2 and DA2. ME2 is still about 8.8 on the user score despite all the complaints you can find, but DA2 is 4.2 (both PC scores) You can blame it some hater group or whatever but I think it actually shows that this game has deeper problems that the usual complaints.

[Legbiter]

Lee337 wrote...

DA:O might have got complaints as did Mass Effect 2, and still does, but the complaints of these games are usually personal taste and vary a lot from person to person.
DA2 however gets a lot of the same complaints, and deeper ones than just "I hate the combat" or "It's not an RPG".
I think the metacritic score shows the difference between ME2 and DA2. ME2 is still about 8.8 on the user score despite all the complaints you can find, but DA2 is 4.2 (both PC scores) You can blame it some hater group or whatever but I think it actually shows that this game has deeper problems that the usual complaints.

What sort of a '****** goes looking at random user reviews online before deciding to buy a game?

[Lee337]

Legbiter wrote...

Lee337 wrote...

DA:O might have got complaints as did Mass Effect 2, and still does, but the complaints of these games are usually personal taste and vary a lot from person to person.
DA2 however gets a lot of the same complaints, and deeper ones than just "I hate the combat" or "It's not an RPG".
I think the metacritic score shows the difference between ME2 and DA2. ME2 is still about 8.8 on the user score despite all the complaints you can find, but DA2 is 4.2 (both PC scores) You can blame it some hater group or whatever but I think it actually shows that this game has deeper problems that the usual complaints.

What sort of a '****** goes looking at random user reviews online before deciding to buy a game?

I pre-ordered in December and didn't read any reviews or anything about it, because I didn't want any spoilers or other points of view before i played it myself and made my own opinion.
What I'm saying about metacritic isn't that it should be used when making a desicion to buy the game, I'm saying that it shows that it wasn't very well received.