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[Dean_the_Young]

While I never expected it to actually happen, when I learned that Hawke would have a living sibling regardless, and that there were going to be non-romancable companions, a character concept that flitted across my thoughts was wondering if Hawke's sibling might have his or her own love interest.

While of course it couldn't have panned out with the sibling leaving at the end of Act 1, and probably wouldn't have panned out considering the nature of the siblings and non-romance companions both, as a concept it's only grown on me.

Consider it in respects of how it might develop the sibling as a character. Rather than revolving around the Hawke, as most sibling characters do around the protagonist, it would establish how the sibling starts to place their own roots in Kirkwall, and with the companions. When you have the sibling and their LI in the party together, you could hear and track development in the relationship, whether between the two of them or one of them and the third (fourth) wheel. When you had a companion scene, that relationship in and of itself could be a part of it: Brother Carver getting a big sister chat from Hawke, or Big Bro Hawke wondering if he needed to lay down the law on whoever Bethany was interested in.

In a sense, Aveline was already this, bar the relation. She set down roots (in the guard), had her own LI (Donnic, even if not a party member), and her progression with Isabela was certainly a highlight of our experience with her.


And strictly speaking, there needn't even be a lack of rivalry. If the sibling was interested in a player's LI, that sort of drama itself could have been good character development/progression fodder: Bro Hawke and Carver going after the same girl for some instant rivalry points, for example, and potential fodder for stark differences. The mutual LI could have her own perspective on the matter as well: if Carver and the LI would 'naturally' be together, Hawke pursuing the LI might produce a bit different reception, even in victory, than if Carver died in place of Bethany.

It would certainly be an unorthodox romance path if the player was treated as a reluctant second-best, rather than love-of-the-life, if Hawke won out simply because the Sibling dropped interest for whatever reason. All three parties, the main character, the sibling, and the mutual LI could be sketched out in new ways in this sort of setup.



That's all there is to this, really. Just a concept for consideration. I'm certainly not saying what we got was poor (not at all), or that the lack of this was horrendous (it's not), or that it would even have worked in the context of DA2 (I doubt the siblings and the LI would have matched up), but what do you all think of the concept?

[Thiefy]

I actually liked this idea. i really would have preferred to see my siblings hook up with someone. The Varric-Bethany banter was cute and I hear so is the Carver-Merrill banter.
Actually I think my siblings hooking up with anyone would have been cute, minus Isabella. I don't really care for Isabella with anyone.....

[Eveangaline]

So long as it's not hte one I'm romancing, I'd find it adorable.

[Razored1313]

I would have humiliated carver in front of his LI

I would have killed bethany's LI

Probably for the best that they didn't find anyone

[leggywillow]

I think it would have been very sweet.  And if they implemented it in Act 3, it wouldn't hinder the player's choices at all, since I believe you have to initiate the romance during Act 2 at the latest. 

Of course, that plan is a little bit hindered by the sibling being mostly gone at that point. XD

I used to ship Carver with Merrill, but now I ship him with my FemTabris instead.    No one particularly leaped out at me to ship with Bethany, though.

[Raiil]

Oh man, I would have shot them out of a cannon with rudeness. Because I'm not nice.


Except for Carver/Merril, I loled when they flirted.

[Dean_the_Young]

Valentia X wrote...

Oh man, I would have shot them out of a cannon with rudeness. Because I'm not nice.


Except for Carver/Merril, I loled when they flirted.

See? That would have been an interesting dynamic as well. Great for rivalry points.

"Sibling of mine, why are you going out of your way to dictate my life?'

[Medhia Nox]

I would have thought - "Great, more storyline than has nothing to do with my character."

[Sarah1281]

It would have depended who it was. I would have been okay with Fenris/Carver (though a bit worried this might exacerbate Carver's anti-mage tendencies) but not Fenris/Bethany because the fact that he deeply despises mages makes that look like a disaster (for all you can even do a friend-romance with him as a mage). I would have been highly considered if either went after Isabela because she clearly wasn't looking for a relationship and so if they were that looks like it would be a disaster (even though she can eventually change her mind on that). I would have been okay with with either with Merrill as long as she didn't look to be convincing Bethany to try blood magic. I would have freaked out if either had gone after Anders because for all that I like romancing him, that is NOT really a healthy relationship given how progressively unstable Anders is from his freaking demon possession.

[Boradam]

If Carver went after Aveline, I would stab him three times and bleed the rest of him in the Deep Roads.

Nobody hears your cries, Carver... nobody...

[Rykoth]

Medhia Nox wrote...

I would have thought - "Great, more storyline than has nothing to do with my character."

God forbid the companions have character development.

Shame on Bioware and any decent author for developing more then just the main character!

[Medhia Nox]

Don't run to their defense Rykoth - Hawke makes no decisions in this game. The game doesn't need more "NPC" goodness - it's already so full of it I might as well have removed Hawke and watched it.

You do realize that if you removed Hawke - everything in the game would have still happened yes?

[Shepard Lives]

Medhia Nox wrote...

You do realize that if you removed Hawke - everything in the game would have still happened yes?

Nah. If Hawke hadn't been there, the expedition would not have taken off. No expedtion, no idol. No idol, Meredith doesn't go bonkers. No mage uprising.

And who knows what manner of insane devices the Arishok would have gotten up to.


On-topic: I am still bitter for the lack of option to set up li'l Carver with Merrill. Cutest most clueless couple ever.

Modifié par Shepard Lives, 18 mars 2011 - 03:06 .

[Medhia Nox]

LOL No expedition -

They were going to go on the expedition way before you showed up. It just happens that they're willing to wait until you get the money to go with them (I don't have a problem with this - CRPGs have to have some limitations).

Even Varric knew who had the maps - so he could have purchased them from Anders.

It's all very contrived to make you seem like you have just a little bit of relevancy - you have far less than almost any RPG I can think of.

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As for the Arishok - I supported him every chance I got. He still waited until he couldn't any longer for his rebellion. Honestly - the man waited 4 years - watching a bunch of incompetent Kirkwallers. I'd have done something too.

[Sarah1281]

I think Varric probably could have found the money to get the expedition off the ground. If nothing else, Gavorn was practically begging to be allowed to finance the expedition. And either way, I don't see just happening to be an invester as making you the most important person in Thedas like Hawke was supposed to be. Perhaps she becomes more important in a sequel?

[Medhia Nox]

While that's what I would hope Sarah - I'm going to wait for reviews and you fine forum goers before purchasing any future Bioware products. So I hope to come on and see you telling me that Hawke actually matters in the next game.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 18 mars 2011 - 03:33 .

[DuskWanderer]

If both siblings came with you, I'm willing to believe Isabela would try to pull a twin threesome in at least three different party banters. And one appearance at Gamlen's house...

I think Carver and Merrill is a cute couple, and I've got two stories in my head about Carver and Isabela (dealing with two different party banters). Although I do ship Bethany with Cullen. Hardcore.

[lilco]

Carver ogling after Isabela. It's a canon. Nothing serious of course, but their party banter supports it.

For Bethany, I don't really know. I foresaw her and Anders having a big brother-little sister kind of relationship, nothing romantic. (Even though someone like Hawke might think he's banging Beth. Imagine when Hawke goes to give The Talk to Anders. Awkwaaard!)
And hey, Bethany does state that Anders reminds her of papa Hawke.

Naturally my predictions of their relationships were shot down at the end of act 1, which was kinda... let down.

Modifié par lilco, 18 mars 2011 - 04:08 .

[caradoc2000]

Party member development is always welcome. Aveline's relationship was great - not to mention the side quest was hilarious. I'd love to see more of that.

lilco wrote...

Carver ogling after Isabela.

To be fair, she does have a lot to ogle after.

[Emperor Iaius I]

I clearly missed out on the Merrill/Carver banter, as I couldn't stand him and his petty jealousy, so I left him in that awful shack the whole time.

[Silentmode]

I would of liked to see Beth and Carver get into a relationship with someone. But definately not any of the companions. As far as Bethany goes: Varric's my bro but no, Anders is ok but he's a little too unstable, and I don't want my sister dating a guy from a jRPG who stumbled his way into DA2. It would of been nice to see her hook up with someone while in the circle or Grey Wardens say Cullen or Nathanial depending on what happens to her at the end of Act 1.

[WaterGem]

I wondered about this myself. My first play-through I decided to romance Anders but there were a few conversations between Bethany and Anders that had me thinking they'd be boinking each other before act 2. >.< I mean come on, innocent free mage maiden with a dashing-if- overzealous mage freedom fighter? Bethany doesn't stand a chance!

[caradoc2000]

Silentmode wrote...

Anders is ok but he's a little too unstable

A little too unstable? The guy is loonier than the dollar.

[Silentmode]

caradoc2000 wrote...

Silentmode wrote...

Anders is ok but he's a little too unstable

A little too unstable? The guy is loonier than the dollar.

Well... like I said that's why I don't think a Anders-Bethany relationship would end well. He's not a bad character, I would just be afraid he'd go all vengeance mode on her and rip her head off.

[Ryzaki]

None of them. Carver's too much of a douche and I wouldn't want him bothering poor Merrill or catching something from Izzy.

Fenris is too cruel for Bethany and Anders too crazy.

Nu-uh. Them crazies better stay far away from my little siblings. Hawke doesn't want to have to cut someone.