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[MingWolf]

oldmansavage wrote...

Very well put.  I went and bought this game as a present to myself for my birthday.   Worst birthday ever...

Same here.  And my birthday was only a day after.  Like some of the comments I see here, I am finding myself playing the game more so because I bought it.  

To be fair, its not the worst game I've ever played, but maybe its because I am trying to hard to actually like the game.  I'll reserve my judgement until I actually finished the game, but to the OP, that has to be one of the most earnest and fair criticisms of the game yet.  I'm starting to feel it. 

[ryan 1911]

Couldn't have said it better than that op.

[Liesel12]

Having gone through DA2 once and finished it I was like 'wow, okay, that's it?'. Very good points brought up and I agree. The lack of connection of the hero with the people is sadly disappointing. After all, in DAO, that is why the people love the Hero of Fereldan. They connected to him/her or been affected by the good deeds.

The interaction with your companions I found extremely disappointing. Okay, you romance Anders, he has a key to the mansion but you can't talk to him, tease him, or say 'hey, let's go to bed'. And I won't go into the romance scenes are really disappointing compared to DAO. I miss also, going periodically to my companions, striking a conversation with them and then you get a peek at their lives.

Combat. Ugh. Does anyone find it disturbing to have the next wave of enemies drop down out of the air or appear out of thin air? And why so many waves at certain times? Why are we bombarded into a hack-n-slash fest in the middle of the street? The final battle really tested my patience with the oncoming waves of enemies that just...won't....die.

The story of the mages and templars is solid, along with the Chantry and Anders part. The seeds were sown in DAO and Awakenings. Now, to get the Champion a bit more connected to the people of Kirkwall than just "Hey, Hawke, remember me? I can offer yada yada yada..."

Anyway, my thoughts here.

[DieHigh2012]

So you have a DA2 code, I certainly doesn't mean you are a Bioware fan. The way you posted is quite telling.

This is actually a form of trolling people, wake up.

[Crossroads_Wanderer]

Well, I haven't finished the game yet, but I partially agree with the OP. I wish the side quests actually had conversations leading you to them, rather than you discovering things and then somehow knowing who wants them. I wish there were more opportunities for conversations with your companions. You could always talk to your companions at camp in DA:O, now, when you reach their home bases, often you'll just get one line from them if there isn't anything pressing to talk about. I wish the game designers had gone for more of the in-depth character discussion that was possible in DA:O.

I don't think that DA II is a complete loss, though. There are still plenty of interesting quests and characters and being on the good side of your companions isn't as easy as it was in DA:O. Often, the things you say will improve your relationship with one companion and hurt your relationship with another. You then have to decide if you want your character to flip-flop to please everyone or if you're willing to have some companions simply hate you. I also think the moral character of the game is more challenging than DA:O. In DA:O, you could easily go with all of the goody two-shoes responses and get along just fine. In DA II, you have to pick your battles carefully because there are plenty of grey areas and plenty of times where you have no choice but to do something unsavory. It really makes me think and I like it. I suppose this doesn't generate as much interest for those who usually play morally grey or outright evil characters, but I tend to play totally upstanding characters.

[SexBomb]

DieHigh2012 wrote...

So you have a DA2 code, I certainly doesn't mean you are a Bioware fan. The way you posted is quite telling.

This is actually a form of trolling people, wake up.

...Or maybe it's just a disappointed Bioware fan. Like me.

[Liesel12]

DieHigh2012 wrote...

So you have a DA2 code, I certainly doesn't mean you are a Bioware fan. The way you posted is quite telling.

This is actually a form of trolling people, wake up.

Look, I'm a Bioware fan and just because you like to assume ppl are trolling because they don't post often or other things, shows how little you know.

I've played Bioware games since KOTOR, Baldur's Gate and Neverwinter Nights, and enjoyed them all.

So, before you post snide little remarks like this, check your assumptions at the door.

[KLUME777]

DieHigh2012 wrote...

So you have a DA2 code, I certainly doesn't mean you are a Bioware fan. The way you posted is quite telling.

This is actually a form of trolling people, wake up.

Im a Bioware fan and im greatly disappointed in this game. I will never pre-order or buy a Bioware game on Day 1 ever again.

Modifié par KLUME777, 17 mars 2011 - 06:27 .

[xenn]

KLUME777 wrote...

DieHigh2012 wrote...

So you have a DA2 code, I certainly doesn't mean you are a Bioware fan. The way you posted is quite telling.

This is actually a form of trolling people, wake up.

Im a Bioware fan and im greatly disappointed in this game. I will never pre-order or buy a Bioware game on Day 1 ever again.

I dont think many will again after this lol. Bioware's ad campaign was genius though.

[Deifka]

Oh people, please, DAO wasn't perfect. I could've gotten to know Alistair's past and romance him even before reaching the village of Lothering... THAT was disappointing as I had no further conversations with him until I've done Redcliffe and Denerim quests.

But yes, we do lack the interaction with random NPCs, but I think it's the fault of all the rush around the game. Certainly, 1 year isn't enough for such a game, but 2 years could make a difference, I love DA2, but if it wasn't so rushed, it would've been an absolutely masterpiece and other companies would have a hard time making up to this example.

Oh, and I've heard that we will have DA3 released by the end of this year. I hope it was a joke.

PS: I'm actually disappointed that we can't romance Varric, he kicks as so much. He's the first dwarf I actually like, as all the others are annoying "alcohol lovers". :<

Modifié par Deifka, 17 mars 2011 - 07:07 .

[Chromie]

oldmansavage wrote...

Very well put.  I went and bought this game as a present to myself for my birthday.   Worst birthday ever...

That's sad no one bought you a present?

[Maurdyn]

Pwnsaur wrote...

I am just a guy that KNOWS BioWare CAN and HAS done so much better.

So true. So true. This is what really irked me the most.

[v_ware]

That's very well said. Exactly how i feel about the game. It's just so...

MEDIOCRE... (disgusting word, urghl)

[Obadiah]

I'm about 5 hours into the game and there is plenty of dialog. Sure, there are a bunch of trash MMO type quests in there to magically deliver stuff to people you just happened to find (there were quests like that in ME2, hmm, not a good sign). However, there are still quests where you converse with NPCs and get to know them and the city. Try finishing Flemeth's quest, or doing the Magistrates' (that one is quite disturbing), or helping Aveline - those seem about on par with what was in Origins.

[MrTijger]

xenn wrote...

I dont think many will again after this lol. Bioware's ad campaign was genius though.

I dont know what you folks expected but I got a great game which was fun, interesting and refreshingly grey in many areas. No, you're not a great hero this time and I guess for some thats too close to reality to deal with, so be it, I personally enjoyed it.

I'll pre-order the next installment the moment it becomes available, same goes for ME 3. If the high fantasy lovers dont then perhaps they'll be more at home playing other games, such is life.

[Cyras. Knight-Errant]

 Agree with OP. I've pre-ordered (never again) the game and I've played it for a few days now. And sometimes wasn't able to understand the quest logic and the quest presentation. Especially with the sidequests. The map of Kirkwall remembers me of a big chanters board, with incoherent quests to pick up. No quest dialogue, just a letter or post or something you've picked up.

Sometimes you pick something up and you'll get the quest to deliver it to someone. How does Hawke know hows bones he/she has just found (he isn't Horatio Caine) or whose bottle or sword it is. It should be the other way around: 

"hey i lost my sword at/my friend was last seen in/ and it it/he/she looks like ..... can you take a look around and see if you can find it."

Even the main quest's sometimes feel like the aren't connected at all, like randomly plugging into someones life and live it for some hours. Some of the Quests are real gold but thy seem to happen so rarely. Don't get me wrong, It isn't really a bad game but I have difficulties to finish it, because i could not care less about all the quests (most feel more like work than fun). This is the first time i feel that way concering a BW game. 

Modifié par Cyras. Knight-Errant, 17 mars 2011 - 08:23 .

[Ad Dugg]

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[Taura-Tierno]

Now that you mention it, I kind of agree. I hadn't really thought about it before, I was too happy about the companion interactions being so much better than in DA:O

[Aradace]

Honestly, I dont really agree with the OPs points. Why? because while I enjoyed that aspect of Origins to a degree, I dont miss them enough to really complain about them. Now, had DA2 been exactly like Origins in every aspect, plus the way the game is now, then yea, I'd have been a little pissed because there wasnt a lot of things I liked in Origins to begin with. Now, what Im 'sad" about is the fact that EAware decided to cop out and use the "copy and paste" technique for most of the dungeons in this game ala ME1.

Secondly, is the minimap. While the minimap as a whole is fine, it's the size of the "red dots" on it that bothers me and I have 20/20 vision AND an HD TV and still have trouble seeing them at times. So, I usually just end up letting my companions make the first move and follow suit in behind them to the fray.

Thirdly, the bugs. While I like this game a great deal, it really is starting to remind me of New Vegas. That in and of itself should be enough said for those that know about New Vegas. Now given, EAware may actually fix these when/if they release a patch anytime soon. But until then, it really leaves a bad taste in my mouth regarding this.

Fourthly, I thought the males were supposed to be more "subtle" this time and not like Zeveran where they practically throw themselves at you. Because that is practically the first thing Fenris did after his quest in the mansion. I did, however, like the fact that there was an option to tell him to immediately back off and from that point on, he made no other passes at me so I can kind of overlook that.

Fifth, while I like the ME'ifying of the party's armor, meaning that you dont change it, and thus less micromanaging to do (I found it refreshing tbh) what I take issue with is the fact that their armor "upgrades" are not only pointless for the most part, but extremely expensive considering how useless they are for the most part.

Then, there's the overall "lack" of loot. Unless you have the Black Emporium, you're pretty much screwed in terms of overall "unique" loot. Again, while I enjoy the game immensely, the "random loot drops" feel generic for the most part. Felt like I was playing some sort of generic dungeon crawler at times because of it.

So, in a nutshell, I'll reiterate that I do enjoy the game immensely. Game Informer gave it an 8.25 and considering the fact that A.) There's no NG+ option and B.) All of the above mention things, that would be right about where I would put it. Which means, much like origins, Im going to be utterly done with this game completely once I have played every class and it's "variant". We're not even going to purchase any of the DLC beyond what we already have and just wait, like Origins, for the "ultimate edition" that has all of the DLC in it already.

In the end, I had a gut feeling that I should have "rented" this title from gamefly instead of preordering it because I had a feeling that it was going to have the same "replay" value as origins which for me, wasnt a whole lot. Which also means, Im going to be VERY skeptical of buying DA3. Unless there are other RPG titles in the chamber during the year that DA3 is to be released, then Im pretty sure we'll just rent it. While this game was better than Origins as a whole IMO, it still didnt quite live up to what I hoped it would be. I still like it, but at the same time, I wish I had merely rented it.

[Tauon]

Very good post.

This is exactly the way I think about Dargon Age 2.
The first bioware game I did not feel involved in.

Modifié par Tauon, 17 mars 2011 - 10:13 .

[Radwar]

You hit the nail on the head, op. There's plenty of examples of this game being rushed. Take the complete lack of item descriptions as an example. Something I always enjoyed reading in Bioware RPG's. It's a small thing which made the game's universe more profound & richer in it's history.

Modifié par Radwar, 17 mars 2011 - 10:16 .

[shady501st]

I'm with the original poster sadly, Bioware made me a Star Wars fan with KOTOR (yes it was a better story than even the films) KOTOR 2 I didn't enjoy (Obsidian's fault). Jade Empire was EPIC, if only the Dragon Age 2 engine was used to recreate Jade Empire! Mass Effect 1 & 2 - Truly Awesome.
I persuaded a lot of people that Bioware were the king of Video Games.

Dragon Age 2 lacked something that defines Bioware - a decent story. Very little connection to Dragon Age Origins! Really P***** me off.

I hope this doesn't reflect on SWTOR or ME3 - Cartoon graphics are a little worrying! ME3 - What can go wrong.........right?

[Hallows Gaze]

Nicely written OP. I agree. Took the week of to play this game! Feels so strange to be so dissapointed by a Bioware game. The more I play of DA2 the more I want to go back to Origins.