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[MrTijger]

The Last Roman wrote...

I agree with you on a lot of your points, but I disagree that finding "status and coin" isn't a "heroic" enough reason to compel one towards adventure. If my family lost everything, was stuck in a foreign hostile land, and living in a dirty shack, you can bet my motivation would be to change that and I would hardly consider it to not be "noble".

Yes but games have to be epic so they can distract you from your real life issues. That's the short version of what the TS says here and for me, that's so out there it's not even within my realm of reality.

Seriously, people need to invest less in their games emotionally, the behavior by some I see on this forum is scarily obsessive and unhealthy. It's a game, a bit of entertainment, nothing more than that.

Modifié par MrTijger, 17 mars 2011 - 05:50 .

[anillop]

I couldn't agree more with the OP, the NPC interactions in DA2 were cold and bare. The random quests where we find something and have to give it to someone just seem like busywork because they have no story or reason to go along with them. Bioware always dominated other companies with their ability to tell a story through NPC interactions and this seems to have been greatly removed from the new DA.

[velcrolemur]

I'd like to applaud the OP. There are a lot of individual problems with the game, but I think the original post captured the overall feeling I have when playing DA:2 very accurately. Thanks for saying it better than I could.

[NedPepper]

shady501st wrote...

Sorry to Trol, but WTF was that all about with Liandra's storyline!! BIOWARE - SICK!

I found it riveting.  This is DARK fantasy.  It was like a punch in the gut.  There was real emotion there.  What more can you ask for?  I haven't felt an emotional response in a video game since....well, when Tali in ME2 broke down over a certain death.

[NedPepper]

KLUME777 wrote...

DieHigh2012 wrote...

So you have a DA2 code, I certainly doesn't mean you are a Bioware fan. The way you posted is quite telling.

This is actually a form of trolling people, wake up.

Im a Bioware fan and im greatly disappointed in this game. I will never pre-order or buy a Bioware game on Day 1 ever again.

Hmmmm...see, if you have loved most of what Bioware has put out and only disliked ONE GAME, the odds are in your favor that you'll enjoy their next game.

[Lee337]

nedpepper wrote...

KLUME777 wrote...

DieHigh2012 wrote...

So you have a DA2 code, I certainly doesn't mean you are a Bioware fan. The way you posted is quite telling.

This is actually a form of trolling people, wake up.

Im a Bioware fan and im greatly disappointed in this game. I will never pre-order or buy a Bioware game on Day 1 ever again.

Hmmmm...see, if you have loved most of what Bioware has put out and only disliked ONE GAME, the odds are in your favor that you'll enjoy their next game.

I'll still be preordering the next one, one bad game from all the games i've played from one company is good going.

[Vicious]

DA:O isn't DA2, that's about what I got from your OP.

[Lee337]

Vicious wrote...

DA:O isn't DA2, that's about what I got from your OP.

It's nothing like that, I agree entirely with the OP, it's nothing to do with it being different from DA:O. At all. It's about being an unbelivably  poor Bioware game. It's about having almost none of the stuff that a Bioware game normally has in it, the stuff which makes the game world feel alive.
Too many people just aren't listening to this complaint and just skim over it and assume its just because the person doesn't like change.

[Rinkusu]

I agree with the OP.

Most quests are shallow, there's not freedom to just go and chat with a companion, no interaction with the city or the ppl in it.
The sad thing however is that some quests are very well done(i love the quest where you help Aveline get it on with the guardsmen) wich claims that DA2 was just rushed out the door. That saddens me the most.

Bioware and Bethesda have been the only ones that i preorder from because of the quality of the games. I know that i won't always agree/like the changes they do but the overall quality has always been the best. This rushed job puts a dent in that view, i just hope it won't happen again.

[Cybermortis]

Agree with the OP, well said that man(?).

I've played through once, and now simply can't work up the enthusiasm to go back and start again even knowing I missed one or two things the first time. This is unlike ME, ME2 and DAO where I will and have happily gone back and started again even though I've seen everything there is to see. I mean in all three of the above games I've ended up taking ages to finish the game because I kept starting new games with different classes. That and because I wanted to go back and see what I might have missed. DA2 I just can't be remotely bothered to try other classes, or care if I missed some small quest.

It will be interesting to see how sales of the DLC go. My guess at this point is that they will be very, very poor compared to DAO or ME2, since the general feeling I'm getting is that the majority of people will not be playing the game for any length of time.

Modifié par Cybermortis, 17 mars 2011 - 06:40 .

[Lee337]

Yeah, I wondered about DLC sales too. I don't think they'll be great. EA said DLC is the way forawrd and hopefully poor DLC sales on DA2 will show them DLC only works on a good game that has good replayability. And then they wont rush ME3!

[king richard]

u really messd up bioware
i am really sad thet dragon age 2 was not what i hopped 4
u should meak a dlc like awekening

[Cybermortis]

The (good) news about ME3 that might reassure many is that its development will have been longer than DA2. They revealed that they had started work on ME3 before ME2 was released, so hopefully they've had considerably more time to develop the game. I'd guess that some 'work' for ME3 was in fact done during development of ME2 as the story was intended to be followed on.

I agree with DLC only being effective if it has a solid game it enhances, either by adding something you want to see (which requires you wanting to see the rest of the game again), filling in some of the background of a loved character or because you want to continue the story.

None of the above really seems to apply to DA2 - although 'loved' character DLC's are probably going to happen. I expect either Isabella or Fenris, if not both, to end up with origin stories. These might get some downloads by players who liked one or both of them. As for continuing the story...I can't bring myself to go though it again as it is.

[Lee337]

Only thing with ME3 that I'm really worried about is that it has a lot to live up to story wise. I don't care if the combat etc was exactly the same. So it would be easier for ME3 to let me down than it should have been for DA2. There wasn't a 2 game build up of the same story so I didn't have any expectations of it other than it should just be another great bioware game. And it didn't feel like a bioware game.

[Cybermortis]

I'm less worried about the story of ME3, since it is and has been clear that they had intended to finish Shepard's story in a third game while they were developing ME2. (Might also be noted that since someone bought the film rights for Mass Effect I'm guessing no one would want ME3 to be a let down - including the bean-counters who stand to make money from a successful film series based on the games.)

[Vicious]

Wouldn't be worried about ME3. Different part of Bioware developing it. haha

[Eshaye]

soldierofhate wrote...

I agree with alot the OP said. The NPC interaction was pretty much non exsistant, you didn't even speak with the Merchants to buy their wares. That's pretty sad when even the Merchants don't talk to you, you just dig through the recepticle by them and leave the gold for what you take like an honor system or something?

You can talk to them if you so CHOOSE. That's the difference, you're going to sit there and tell me honestly that after browsing through Bodhan's wares for the 100th time that you didn't want to punch him in the face for telling you the exact same thing, again before selling/buying stuff? 

I was glad they did this, you can roleplay hello merchant if you want, and I did that the first time I met a new merchant, but later on it was nice to just get straight to the goods. 

[Officer Nice]

Dragon Age 2 isn't meant to be compared to Origins. It's is own book. What I mean is Dragon 2 takes place during the blight and Awakening, but it's not the main event. Other then the lulz it was a blood mage's fault or overused scenery I actually liked Dragon Age 2.

[Lee337]

It's not just comparing it to DA:O, it's every other bioware game. DA2 lacks a lot of the little things that made the place feel alive.

[Justin2k]

I agree.

But Bioware does not care less.

They know they put out an awful game. They will also continue to put out awful DLC.

It's that time when a developer goes from caring about their customers to caring about money. Its to do with EA. It changed that day.

And it will never be the same again.

[james1976]

I have to agree with the OP of this thread. BioWare has come to be the only developer I felt I could trust to time and again put the game first. Their quality through the years speaks for itself. I feel really let down by Dragon Age 2.

[Sen4lifE]

I wish they gave this game one more year in a deadline, I truly believe it would have been better. D: A good RPG just can not be made in a year and a half!

[Azzlee]

Justin2k wrote...

I agree.

But Bioware does not care less.

They know they put out an awful game. They will also continue to put out awful DLC.

It's that time when a developer goes from caring about their customers to caring about money. Its to do with EA. It changed that day.

And it will never be the same again.

This. Couldn't have put it better myself

[JeeWeeJ]

Totally agree with the op. As Cybermortis said, every other Bioware game has made me do multiple playthroughs..just because they were just THAT good! When i finished DA2 i was like "ok, done!" and put the game away. It has none of the Bioware magic! Is it a bad game or does is have a bad story? No, but its just not as good as any other Bioware game out there! (ok, i admit i didnt really like Shattered Steel....but thats a LONG time ago!)

And to those saying that people should not expect it to be a sequel to Origins...why did they put the 2 in the name then?? Dont want to flame or anything but to people who did not follow every interview, preview and review its REALLY easy to assume its a sequel to origins.

[Pwnsaur]

Lee337 wrote...

Vicious wrote...

DA:O isn't DA2, that's about what I got from your OP.

It's nothing like that, I agree entirely with the OP, it's nothing to do with it being different from DA:O. At all. It's about being an unbelivably  poor Bioware game. It's about having almost none of the stuff that a Bioware game normally has in it, the stuff which makes the game world feel alive.

I couldn't summarize the general point of my post any better myself. We, my friend, are on the same wavelength.