Both were interesting characters. Both you could sympathize with even if what they were doing was wrong. Both are popular villains. And both had pretty good voice actors. To me, these characters are, I think, far better than Irenicus who I thought was a whiner who just happened to be bad@ss(though to be honest, I only finished half of Baldur's Gate 2 so I wouldn't know the whole story). To me, these 3-dimensional characters are what Meredith should have been or could have been, if maybe BioWare had enough time to work on her character.
Arishok stole the show and made Meredith and Orsino look pretty bland compared to him(which they already were regardless if the Arishok wasn't there or not). Despite him being a fanatic of the Qun, he didn't just stand there yelling insults at Hawke about how awesome his religion was. He gave some pretty interesting points that actually made me wish that I could have sided with the Arishok. You almost believed in everything that he was saying. Even when you opposed him, he respected you even while disagreeing with you which showed that even too concerned about whether you were Qunari or not so much as the character of the individual. That, and he had what people like Orsino and Meredith lacked, atmosphere. I would also like to know who voiced him as well.
Lohgain on the other hand was interesting because he was a hero who without, Ferelden may never have achieved independence. I may have also liked him because I preferred him over Alistair. When Lohgain wasn't the villain after the Landsmeet, it was just back to the same old generic Orcs who at that point didn't have a personality. The Darkspawn weren't interesting. They were just enemies and you had to destroy them and that was it. By far, Lohgain's best moment was when he realized he was wrong and accepted his fate. And that takes balls.
Which brings back to the topic: who's the better villain? Lohgain or Arishok?
Who was the better advesary? Lohgain or Arishok?
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 01:50
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Arishok because He is Alpha as F***
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 01:52
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Well the Arishok wasn't a traitor. So I'd say him. Even though I let Loghain live and killed the Arishok ...
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 01:52
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Well, the Arishok was a lot tougher to kill . . . .And he had a point.
So, yea - the Arishok.
So, yea - the Arishok.
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 01:56
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I liked the Arishok. Had he chosen to take the relic and just go I'd have let him go. But I have to say defeating him in single combat for Isabella was totally wicked!!! He was no pushover (unlike Loghain who gets his ass handed to him in less than 30 seconds). He was far more stable and he really understood the order of his life, of the lives around him, and had balance. I can respect that.
Loghain was fun to wipe up the floor with and kill but I liked the Arishok far more. Had they met under different circumstances, my LadyHawke would have called him "Kadan".
Loghain was fun to wipe up the floor with and kill but I liked the Arishok far more. Had they met under different circumstances, my LadyHawke would have called him "Kadan".
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 01:57
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Arishok. I disagree with his views completly and his way of life is contrary to mine but he is still a man who follows what he believes and hes not a traitor. I can respect him.
Loghain i never got why people think hes sympathetic.
Loghain i never got why people think hes sympathetic.
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 01:57
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I'm voting for the Arishok. Even though he killed the Viscount and attacked Kirkwall, he was honorable to an extent. I even respected him in a way... not far enough to actually follow the Qun, but enough to admit that he had a decent point more often than not. I was actually relieved when Isabela returned and I had the option of handing her over along with the relic. The Arishok didn't deserve to die, not by my Hawke's hand anyway.
Loghain on the other hand... I just could never bring myself to let him survive. He was a great villain, but I never saw him as more than that. He wasn't a sympathetic figure in my eyes.
Loghain on the other hand... I just could never bring myself to let him survive. He was a great villain, but I never saw him as more than that. He wasn't a sympathetic figure in my eyes.
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 01:58
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I felt a extreme sense of badassery watching my Warden and Loghain sizing each other up to fight because the fight had been a long time coming. I just didnt get that same feeling dueling the Arishok.
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 01:59
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I'ld say the Arishok, I didn't really respect Lohgain at all. The Airshok, is as you said above, plus he likes a straight up battle. And he is with honor. If I were Hawke and faced with someone like the Arishok, provided I didn't convert, I would have considerd it a great challange and honor to fight him.
Lohgain on the other hand, is backhanded, won't confront you openly unless its at the landsmeet, and you turn them to your side, or if you wear him down then he'll take up an offer for a duel. He was a fool of a man aswell in most reguards, more so if you read the Novels. Lohgain is like a snake in the grass, and the best treatment for that is to chop off its head. I have yet to let him live. Though I will admit I found it more ehh Important to kill him than the Darkspawn.
Why not add a poll to this Cap?
Lohgain on the other hand, is backhanded, won't confront you openly unless its at the landsmeet, and you turn them to your side, or if you wear him down then he'll take up an offer for a duel. He was a fool of a man aswell in most reguards, more so if you read the Novels. Lohgain is like a snake in the grass, and the best treatment for that is to chop off its head. I have yet to let him live. Though I will admit I found it more ehh Important to kill him than the Darkspawn.
Why not add a poll to this Cap?
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 02:01
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Arishok. I respect him as an enemy.
If Isabella came back, I'd let him take the girl and the book. I would go searching the book for him if he let me... I hope I can recruit him as my damager and Tank
If Isabella came back, I'd let him take the girl and the book. I would go searching the book for him if he let me... I hope I can recruit him as my damager and Tank
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 02:03
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KenKenpachi wrote...
I'ld say the Arishok, I didn't really respect Lohgain at all. The Airshok, is as you said above, plus he likes a straight up battle. And he is with honor. If I were Hawke and faced with someone like the Arishok, provided I didn't convert, I would have considerd it a great challange and honor to fight him.
Lohgain on the other hand, is backhanded, won't confront you openly unless its at the landsmeet, and you turn them to your side, or if you wear him down then he'll take up an offer for a duel. He was a fool of a man aswell in most reguards, more so if you read the Novels. Lohgain is like a snake in the grass, and the best treatment for that is to chop off its head. I have yet to let him live. Though I will admit I found it more ehh Important to kill him than the Darkspawn.
Why not add a poll to this Cap?
You can do that?
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 02:03
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I was overjoyed when both of them died, and that's all that matters.
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 02:04
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Arishok hands down, I actually paid attention to him and he had an epic voice.
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 02:04
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Oh, and since the OP mentioned. There's a mod for Baldur's Gate II where you can recruit Ironicus for your party in Baal's Throne expansion pack. He joins you as a lvl 30 mage, totally kick ass... clean out a room before your fighter reach it.
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 02:07
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I'd say Loghain. We saw more of him and his actions than those of the Arishok. The Arishok was a worthy adversary, but that didn't have the implications of going up against a national hero and father of the queen, and it didn't have the overtones of tragedy.
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 02:07
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Yeah hit My content, polls, make a new poll, then edit the link into your opening post.Capt. Obvious wrote...
KenKenpachi wrote...
I'ld say the Arishok, I didn't really respect Lohgain at all. The Airshok, is as you said above, plus he likes a straight up battle. And he is with honor. If I were Hawke and faced with someone like the Arishok, provided I didn't convert, I would have considerd it a great challange and honor to fight him.
Lohgain on the other hand, is backhanded, won't confront you openly unless its at the landsmeet, and you turn them to your side, or if you wear him down then he'll take up an offer for a duel. He was a fool of a man aswell in most reguards, more so if you read the Novels. Lohgain is like a snake in the grass, and the best treatment for that is to chop off its head. I have yet to let him live. Though I will admit I found it more ehh Important to kill him than the Darkspawn.
Why not add a poll to this Cap?
You can do that?
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 02:20
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Loghain---leader of an army, tactical strategist, planned his moves, failed coup, good intentions with the knowledge base he had although troubled with paranoia.
Arishok--leader of an army, tactical strategist, planned his moves, failed coup, followed his beliefs, patience to wait and convert but troubled with narrowed vision.
It's a real close match as both have strengths and weaknesses. Not taking the fight into count with the pc (different games with different styles here) the edge would have to go to the Arishok. Loghain's alliance with Howe was his downfall where Howe was able to prey on his paranioa. And while the Arishok did finally attack, he was very patient to wait for what he thought was the right moment.
Arishok--leader of an army, tactical strategist, planned his moves, failed coup, followed his beliefs, patience to wait and convert but troubled with narrowed vision.
It's a real close match as both have strengths and weaknesses. Not taking the fight into count with the pc (different games with different styles here) the edge would have to go to the Arishok. Loghain's alliance with Howe was his downfall where Howe was able to prey on his paranioa. And while the Arishok did finally attack, he was very patient to wait for what he thought was the right moment.
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 02:26
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Loghain, primarily because we know more about him. But I'd say that the Arishok is the 2nd best DA antagonist. If not Bioware antagonist.
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 02:42
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Arishok. Loghain was weak and went down easy. Arishok gave me and my party a good fight even on Casual.
Arishok also reminds me of Sten, infuriating, but respectable since his beliefs do have some sense to them.
Arishok also reminds me of Sten, infuriating, but respectable since his beliefs do have some sense to them.
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 02:43
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Arishok is a boss. Loghain is just kind of an uppity crybaby.
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 02:49
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I say Arishok, I wish he was a secret companion, he could of had a dual wield companion skill tree.
If you choose to let him live, hopefully he could be playable in DA3 (I wish)
If you choose to let him live, hopefully he could be playable in DA3 (I wish)
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 02:51
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Arishok. Loghain being irrational from the start because of a promise to Maric sort of ruined it for me. I'd probably have liked him better if I didn't read the Stolen Throne.
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 02:59
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The Arishok. Loghain was a great antagonist, too, but he let his personal biases and paranoia overcome rationality and started a needless civil war at the worst possible time.
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 02:59
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I enjoyed Lohgain for driving the Warden's secondary goal (unify Ferelden). However he wasn't the brightest in the world especially with the Blight coming. In the end he was a good plot device, but not a great adversary.
The Arishok was a good adversary. He didn't particularly care what you had to say, but he tolerated you because you were a notch above everyone else. He stuck to his beliefs through the entire game which regrettably gets him killed.
The Arishok was a good adversary. He didn't particularly care what you had to say, but he tolerated you because you were a notch above everyone else. He stuck to his beliefs through the entire game which regrettably gets him killed.
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 03:19
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Do you remember that first Hurlock you fight in Dragon Age 2? He comes as part of the first group. If you auto-target when they first show up, it's that guy. He has no motivation. He's mindless. He shows up and dies in a moment and is forgotten. He's still better than Loghain.
I vote Arishok.
I vote Arishok.
