Arishok by a mile. One of the best villains in any game I've played. Too bad he was relegated to a supporting role while the much less interesting Meredith/Orsino thing took center stage.
Who was the better advesary? Lohgain or Arishok?
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 04:22
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Yep, the Arishok. I could actually sympathize with the Arishok, couldn't say the same about Loghain, plus something about Loghain just really irked me for some reason.
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 01:01
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Taleroth wrote...
Do you remember that first Hurlock you fight in Dragon Age 2? He comes as part of the first group. If you auto-target when they first show up, it's that guy. He has no motivation. He's mindless. He shows up and dies in a moment and is forgotten. He's still better than Loghain.
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 01:08
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Arishok by far, i was shattered that there wasnt an option "screw templars and mages, im joining the qunari and leaving kirkwall".
Also, man you need to finnish baldurs gate 2, the final dialog between Irenicus and Elsime (or whatever her name was) was one of the best writing bioware has ever done. He goes from being just an evil badass to my 2nd favourite bioware villan ever, the first being Saren Arterius.
Also, man you need to finnish baldurs gate 2, the final dialog between Irenicus and Elsime (or whatever her name was) was one of the best writing bioware has ever done. He goes from being just an evil badass to my 2nd favourite bioware villan ever, the first being Saren Arterius.
#30
Posté 17 mars 2011 - 01:12
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Loghain, because over time you could fully see his motivation.
The Arishok is a completely different type of villain, he is the mysterious threat from an other world/culture, so after all, both works well.
My vote is still on Loghain, as a writer I see it to be the most important point of adversaries - have a clear motivation that we can understand.
The Arishok is a completely different type of villain, he is the mysterious threat from an other world/culture, so after all, both works well.
My vote is still on Loghain, as a writer I see it to be the most important point of adversaries - have a clear motivation that we can understand.
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 01:16
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I like them both but my vote goes to Loghain. 
#32
Posté 17 mars 2011 - 01:18
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The Arishok. I could understand why he did everything he did, and I could argue that I may have even done the same things in his place.
Loghain was irrational. He was twisted with hate and prejudice and blinded himself to everything around him, compromised his own values and hurt his own loved ones because he refused to accept that he was not right.
The Arishok's motives were clear, he stayed true to his beliefs and did not compromise himself or his values.
Loghain was irrational. He was twisted with hate and prejudice and blinded himself to everything around him, compromised his own values and hurt his own loved ones because he refused to accept that he was not right.
The Arishok's motives were clear, he stayed true to his beliefs and did not compromise himself or his values.
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 01:21
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Loghain. After analyzing his reasons and reading the book I was wrong about him in my DA:O play through. I just totally understood his motivations more, KoP helped a lot with that too. I'm Pro-Loghain for life.
Not to say that I didn't agree with the Arishok. He totally understood the crap going down in Kirkwall better than I did. That and I actually agreed with him. Kirkwall needs to go down.
Not to say that I didn't agree with the Arishok. He totally understood the crap going down in Kirkwall better than I did. That and I actually agreed with him. Kirkwall needs to go down.
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 01:22
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oh oh oh i have another thing to add about loghain.
he was a hero who saved ferelden and was freinds with the king.
AND there was a book with him as a hero i think
he was a hero who saved ferelden and was freinds with the king.
AND there was a book with him as a hero i think
#35
Posté 17 mars 2011 - 01:25
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Loghain, there's much more to his character and the final duel was great.
I'm thinking people like Arishok because he is angry, has horns and a deep voice. =P
I'm thinking people like Arishok because he is angry, has horns and a deep voice. =P
#36
Posté 17 mars 2011 - 01:25
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To give credit to the Arishok he dealt with a lot of crap from Kirkwall before finally losing his ****.
#37
Posté 17 mars 2011 - 01:35
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The Arishok would rip Loghain's head off.
#38
Posté 17 mars 2011 - 01:57
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I guess I did sell that Hurlock short by claiming he has no motivation.Capt. Obvious wrote...
Taleroth wrote...
Do you remember that first Hurlock you fight in Dragon Age 2? He comes as part of the first group. If you auto-target when they first show up, it's that guy. He has no motivation. He's mindless. He shows up and dies in a moment and is forgotten. He's still better than Loghain.
WRONG!
Imagine you walk in on a chess tournament. There are five tables. At each of them is seated one man. There is a sixth man running up and down the line, taking a turn on each board. He takes his moves swiftly, grinning with confidence the entire time. On his the third turn, he pauses and leans across the table to his opponent. You overhear him ask "how is the horsey supposed to move, again?"
Loghain was an absolute idiot who attempted to play a game of Xanatos Speedchess without even knowing the rules. Even accepting that he didn't believe it was a true Blight, his actions were senselessly complex and were doomed to failure from the start. Herp derp, let's try to prevent the Orlesians from coming by destroying our own army and making half-assed assassination attempts. I'm sure that if they see us defenseless and in civil war they'll turn around!
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 01:57
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Two very different creatures with one similar virtue that is also a flaw.
Their blind devotion to Fereldan/the Qun.
As a VILLAIN, Loghain IMO wins, because he -is- villainous if you look at the perspective of the Wardens. The Arishok is simply throwing a temper tantrum in one aspect, and in the other, is rightfully tearing things apart to get his precious... something or other back.
Their blind devotion to Fereldan/the Qun.
As a VILLAIN, Loghain IMO wins, because he -is- villainous if you look at the perspective of the Wardens. The Arishok is simply throwing a temper tantrum in one aspect, and in the other, is rightfully tearing things apart to get his precious... something or other back.
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 02:04
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Arishok I would say. Lohgain was... a cowardly traitor. He was completely immoral and started a war over the fact he was paranoid. The Arishok stood for what he thought was right and died for it. I just wish they would have let a qunari join your party.
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 02:12
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I am a Loghain fan. His character has depth. He is easy to hate and when you finally recruit him and become friends he says things about his daughter that makes you wonder that hating him was probably a better idea. Hehe. In short... Great character. The qunari doesn't have that depth.
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 02:21
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The Arishok was great, but i don't think that being devoted or patient automatically makes for a great adversary. I personally found Loghain's paranoia, and the depths to which he let it sink him, more compelling.
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 02:31
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Taleroth wrote...
I guess I did sell that Hurlock short by claiming he has no motivation.Capt. Obvious wrote...
Taleroth wrote...
Do you remember that first Hurlock you fight in Dragon Age 2? He comes as part of the first group. If you auto-target when they first show up, it's that guy. He has no motivation. He's mindless. He shows up and dies in a moment and is forgotten. He's still better than Loghain.
WRONG!
Imagine you walk in on a chess tournament. There are five tables. At each of them is seated one man. There is a sixth man running up and down the line, taking a turn on each board. He takes his moves swiftly, grinning with confidence the entire time. On his the third turn, he pauses and leans across the table to his opponent. You overhear him ask "how is the horsey supposed to move, again?"
Loghain was an absolute idiot who attempted to play a game of Xanatos Speedchess without even knowing the rules. Even accepting that he didn't believe it was a true Blight, his actions were senselessly complex and were doomed to failure from the start. Herp derp, let's try to prevent the Orlesians from coming by destroying our own army and making half-assed assassination attempts. I'm sure that if they see us defenseless and in civil war they'll turn around!
No. Darkspawn are just mindless creatures. Lohgain has his reasons for doing what he did. Therefore, Lohgain wins.
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 02:54
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Loghain faught you one on one in the end and was pretty difficult.. Arishok faught you 4 vs 20 (or more, didn't count all the waves so maybe even more.).
Loghains character was more complex, he betrayed Cailan cause he didn't think that the dumb and naive boy would be able to win the war. He was deathly afraid of the Orlesians to a point of paranoia. Even if he was a monster he, in his own mind, had good intentions which I thought was better than the whole "stoic man who thinks his religion is better than yours" routine. The Arishok was just arrogant and had a huge ego, and above that a religious extremist.
Loghains character was more complex, he betrayed Cailan cause he didn't think that the dumb and naive boy would be able to win the war. He was deathly afraid of the Orlesians to a point of paranoia. Even if he was a monster he, in his own mind, had good intentions which I thought was better than the whole "stoic man who thinks his religion is better than yours" routine. The Arishok was just arrogant and had a huge ego, and above that a religious extremist.
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 02:55
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The Arishok for sure. Just wish that he had been the final boss in the game, way cooler than the other two imo.
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 03:05
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I see that you didn't have Fenris in your group and had a poor relationship with Isabela.Danjaru wrote...
Loghain faught you one on one in the end and was pretty difficult.. Arishok faught you 4 vs 20 (or more, didn't count all the waves so maybe even more.).
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 03:07
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i liked the arishok a lot more since you can talk to him quite a bit and gain a good understanding of him.
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 03:08
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How do you let the Arishok live? I duel him then he dies.Moonstryder wrote...
I say Arishok, I wish he was a secret companion, he could of had a dual wield companion skill tree.
If you choose to let him live, hopefully he could be playable in DA3 (I wish)
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 03:17
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Taleroth wrote...
I see that you didn't have Fenris in your group and had a poor relationship with Isabela.Danjaru wrote...
Loghain faught you one on one in the end and was pretty difficult.. Arishok faught you 4 vs 20 (or more, didn't count all the waves so maybe even more.).
Isabela's quest bugged so I couldn't get her to like me and I'll be found dead before having Cloud Strife in my party...
But yes, if you get to duel him one on one that at least makes him a little better character. But still a longshot from Loghain due to the other reasons.
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Posté 17 mars 2011 - 04:10
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Loghain was born on a farm until the Orlesians invaded and imposed crippling and insanely high taxes on the farmland. His father couldn't pay up. Loghain was tied up with his father while he was forced to watch Orlesian soldiers rape and murder his mother in their family farm.
He fell madly in love with Rowan after he joined the Ferelden rebels but had to let her go to marry King Maric because he felt that Ferelden needed a strong queen. He was never the same after that and kept to himself.
The Orlesian occupation is always fresh in his mind, and he sees the Orlesians a greater threat than what he saw as a small blight uprising. I'm not saying that his betrayal was right, but I can understand why he did it.
Loghain to me is more of a man than the Arishok because he owned up for what he did and also because he was such a tragic hero. Deciding on his death was one of the hardest decisions I ever had to make.
The Arishok never had to make hard decisions and always hid behing his goddamn 'Qun' to justify everything with childish arrogance. I'm not impressed by testosterone stacked 7-foot tall men who robotically follow a set of rules for their lives.
He fell madly in love with Rowan after he joined the Ferelden rebels but had to let her go to marry King Maric because he felt that Ferelden needed a strong queen. He was never the same after that and kept to himself.
The Orlesian occupation is always fresh in his mind, and he sees the Orlesians a greater threat than what he saw as a small blight uprising. I'm not saying that his betrayal was right, but I can understand why he did it.
Loghain to me is more of a man than the Arishok because he owned up for what he did and also because he was such a tragic hero. Deciding on his death was one of the hardest decisions I ever had to make.
The Arishok never had to make hard decisions and always hid behing his goddamn 'Qun' to justify everything with childish arrogance. I'm not impressed by testosterone stacked 7-foot tall men who robotically follow a set of rules for their lives.
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