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[Ross42899]

Well, this is just the "public" version of the "Beta Patch". They will need some time to fix the temp. freezing/crashes and all the quest bugs I assume. Maybe one or two more weeks until they release the "larger" patch.

[WeedyWeedy]

i start to understand why people are downloading pirated games from the internet... i wouldnt want to pay 50€ for a game that doesnt work either...

[vas1444]

Yea, what's even almost more upsetting than bioware releasing game full of bugs is them not acknowledging that they have screwed up and giving an ETA on the patch.

[bumbledbeez79]

 They do need time to re-create the issues, you can have one computer set up and the game would run perfectly while you have another with almost the same specs that will run like doodie. Every compatibility site I run says my computer specs exceed the requirments for this game but I can't run it in DirectX 11 mode without it glitching/stalling. I have to run it on DirectX 9, I can even max out the settings available in that mode without problems.

 It might very well take them a few weeks to develope a proper patch, I do know Nvidia has a beta patch for 200 series cards that says it fixes compatibility issues with Dragon Age 2. You can try it, me personally I don't use betas and am willing to wait for the proper release.

 If you truely want to enjoy the game for now then try lowering to DirectX 9 and see how it runs then, lower your settings or if you use Nvidia try their beta patch. And I'd rather Bioware take their time in patch releases, when rushed you get dinky patches like this that can cause even bigger issues. And if it's anything like the Sims, you're gonna have to reinstall the game to get the bugs out and that's wear on your PC. And they may just be waiting for a patch until Nvidia/ATI get their update drivers done. It's frustrating they don't come here everyday to keep us informed but perhaps that means they are actually working on something. Maybe.

[shpydar]

Dannyboyslim wrote...

shpydar wrote...

Dannyboyslim wrote...

Give them a chance! I appreciate it can be frustrating if you've got a major glitch in what is a AAA title release but I'm sure they're working on it.

Sorry but their chance was during their quality control time before the release of the game.
 
They released this game with too many bugs.  That is very unprofessional and unlike Bioware.  I fear the EA masters may have forced the release of the game before it was ready.
 
I would have respected them if they said no we are going to delay the release of the game until all the bugs (that make the game unplayable) are fixed at great cost to our company.
 
Instead they released their $59.99 +$7.99 Sebastian DLC +$40 for crap from a sword maker for DLC, piece of garbage software instead of taking the time they should have to make it stable.  All I see from Bioware now is greed and incompetence.
 
The worst part is that underneath all the giant pile of bugs I think there is a really great game there.  Too bad It's so broken that I can't really tell.
 
This has shaken my faith in Bioware severely.  Thank goodness Oblivion is coming out this year.  So we can have a real dungeon adventure game this year.  Here's keeping my fingers crossed that Bethesda takes the proper time and learns from Bioware’s mistakes.

The thing is I haven't encountered any bugs that make the game "unplayable" - I'm not saying people aren't having issues, that much is obvious, I've got the annoying echo issue on the dialogue which I'm hoping will be fixed, but I'm playing the game and nothing "Major" is stopping me from having a good time with it so far.  So am I in the majority or the minority? 

QA only goes so far, they can't account for every system configuation right off the bat.  They do their best, it's not like there is some evil overlord at the head of Bioware saying "HA HA HA release the game as it is, it'll funny to really annoy all our customers by releasing a game that's got major flaws."
A patch fixing a lot of the issues will be with us soon, I have complete faith in this.

Fallout New Vegas (and Oblivion) had plenty of bugs in it too, we all remember the scary rotating head on the doctor during the opening sequence of New Vegas.  If you want to look at a game that was seriously flawed on release, look at games like Hidden and Dangerous (falling through the floor to a blue death), or Boiling Point.

Like I said, I feel sorry for the people who are having serious problems or finding the game unplayable because of a problem, but it doesn't make Bioware evil incarnate.  But it's just my opinion and you're perfectly entitled to yours, I hope whatever problems your having get sorted out soon.

A. Never said EA is evil incarnate just greedy and incompetent.  Since their buy-out of Bioware the quality of product from Bioware has decreased.

B. Fallout New Vegas wasn't made by Bethesda it was made by Obsidian Entertainment, licensed and distributed by Bethesda.  Also a spinning head with smooth graphics are nothing compared to the issues people are experiencing in DA2.  Hell if Hawkes head spun the entire game but I could play the game without watching black lines trace up and down every object and the game stutter on the lowest res with most things turned off I would call that game a success with a very minor issue. 

C. Also your argument that other games are released extremly buggy so I should expect all games to be buggy on release, I don't buy into.  With the amount of money game manufacturers are reaping in, a stable quality product is what consumers should expect not an unplayable mess that may be fixed in a month with patching.

D. The game doesn't work properly for any Nvidia cards, or single processor PC's ... Any kind of QA would have noticed that.  I would never expect a game release to be perfect for all configuration of systems, but when you release a game that doesn't work for the largest seller of graphic chip sets ... in a market which is doiminated by only 2 players.  That, in a word is incompetent.

E. Also the issues were present when the Demo was released.  If you accept they innocently missed the glaring flaws during QA (which I don't) then you have to agree that when the community made it very clear that the Demo was having major issues Bioware should have put a full halt on release until they addressed the issues.  They were warned before release with the demo.

F. Thats great you aren't getting any errors and are enjoying the game.  So happy for you.  That doesn't change the fact that the majority of players are having issues which do make the game unplayable.  My post addresses their concerns.

[Svejk]

Still getting a silent fail on steam. £30 well spent. I get to look at a launcher over and over again and get errors whenever I try to do anything to fix the problem.

[Dannyboyslim]

A: So despite a nearly flawless track record (IMHO) over many years of high quality games, Bioware release a sequel to a fantastic game which for some people has issues and all of a sudden they're incompetent? I don't know enough about the politics between EA and Bioware and neither do you, so it's pointless us both trying to argue as neither of us knows what went on up to the release of the game.

B: The spinning head in New Vegas was just the obvious example, I'm sure there are plenty of people who had more serious issues, and likewise, there were plenty of people who were able to play the game "out of the box" with no issues. It happens with PC games. In a perfect world it wouldn't. You see such things in this case as Bioware dropping the ball, I see my issues (echoing audio) as a temporary glitch that could even be something at my end. I guess it's all about perspective.

C : Not "all games", I just gave you two examples of games I've played with "serious issues" that were system-wide and everyone encountered (indeed H&D and Boiling Point have entered to public lexicon as being two examples of major flawed games on release). DA2 is an "unplayable mess" only from your perspective. ME2 for me was 100% spot on right out of the box as an example.

D : Yes there are some performance issues, but again I guess the difference between us is that I'm thinking "They'll sort that quickly", and you're thinking "it should have been sorted before release". It's not a great situation, and questions may be asked. I'm sure they're working on it.

E : I didn't play the demo so I would have to "no comment" on this point. Sorry.

F : Where's your evidence that the "Majority of players" are having issues which do make the game unplayable, how many people have bought the PC version? How many people are having these issues which make the game unplayable? You obviously are having issues but you are not the majority. I need to see evidence before agreeing to such sweeping statements.

I don't think we'll see eye to eye on this... From where I'm sitting the game is working and plays well with a few minor wrinkles, and from where you're sitting you're having bad problems with black lines and graphical glitches which make it unplayable. And never the twain shall meet.

[OHM_LO]

Dannyboyslim wrote...

F : Where's your evidence that the "Majority of players" are having issues which do make the game unplayable, how many people have bought the PC version? How many people are having these issues which make the game unplayable? You obviously are having issues but you are not the majority. I need to see evidence before agreeing to such sweeping statements

I totally agree! Only hardcore fans would visit the forums if their games where running fine, in other words only peole with problems are posting, this gives the illusion that "everybody" is having problems. 

I for one have had no problems at all, i only miss one or two bugged side quests. 

[Vollkeule]

funny, i though they forgot the real patchnotes ... a little more information on existing gamefailures and how and when they will be fixed would be nice. and i do not mean some forum topics...

[Perzyn2]

Dannyboyslim - so if from where I'm sitting everything is ok, than getting mugged or stabbed on the street is no issue, cause it happens to minority of population?

Even if people with gamebreaking issues are only a part of all players it still is considerable part. And judging by number of people voicing complaints only on this forum I can safely assume there's a lot of people with problems.

And it's not about fact there are bugs. Tough luck, games come with bugs. Problem is those bugs prevent lot's of people from completing the game.

Say, you buy a book. And you read it, it's grear book. You want to learn what happens to character. But lo and behold, you lack the 6 last chapters of the book. 25% of books sold have blaknk pages in that place.

So am I to understand it's ok if 25% of buyers got a faulty book, cause reast read it and it was awesome to theme?

To continiue the metaphore, publisher of course recognized the problem and will exchange books for complete ones. Somwhere in a future, maybe in a month.

Would you say that money paid for that book was well spent?

I'd gladly wait a month longer for the release of Dragon Age 2 and play it without hitch rather than have it now installed on my disc, having completed around 70% o plot and being unable to finish it. Sorry, I'm fan of Bioware games and I love the company work, but Dragon Age 2 is big letdown. And I feel ripped.

But of course you had no problems so it's A ok for the game to be rushed and not tested throughly enough, it's the others who for indefinite amount of time are having only a cool loking piece of plastic from their transaction.

[framerunner1987]

I think I'm gonna ask for a refound on this game...
This is unplayable and I don't have time forever just waiting for them to finish an unfinished and half baked game!

[shpydar]

Dannyboyslim wrote...

A: So despite a nearly flawless track record (IMHO) over many years of high quality games, Bioware release a sequel to a fantastic game which for some people has issues and all of a sudden they're incompetent? I don't know enough about the politics between EA and Bioware and neither do you, so it's pointless us both trying to argue as neither of us knows what went on up to the release of the game.

B: The spinning head in New Vegas was just the obvious example, I'm sure there are plenty of people who had more serious issues, and likewise, there were plenty of people who were able to play the game "out of the box" with no issues. It happens with PC games. In a perfect world it wouldn't. You see such things in this case as Bioware dropping the ball, I see my issues (echoing audio) as a temporary glitch that could even be something at my end. I guess it's all about perspective.

C : Not "all games", I just gave you two examples of games I've played with "serious issues" that were system-wide and everyone encountered (indeed H&D and Boiling Point have entered to public lexicon as being two examples of major flawed games on release). DA2 is an "unplayable mess" only from your perspective. ME2 for me was 100% spot on right out of the box as an example.

D : Yes there are some performance issues, but again I guess the difference between us is that I'm thinking "They'll sort that quickly", and you're thinking "it should have been sorted before release". It's not a great situation, and questions may be asked. I'm sure they're working on it.

E : I didn't play the demo so I would have to "no comment" on this point. Sorry.

F : Where's your evidence that the "Majority of players" are having issues which do make the game unplayable, how many people have bought the PC version? How many people are having these issues which make the game unplayable? You obviously are having issues but you are not the majority. I need to see evidence before agreeing to such sweeping statements.

I don't think we'll see eye to eye on this... From where I'm sitting the game is working and plays well with a few minor wrinkles, and from where you're sitting you're having bad problems with black lines and graphical glitches which make it unplayable. And never the twain shall meet.

A.  Yes it does make them incompetent.  I don't care about politics and in the end this has nothing to do with EA vs. Bioware or any of that bull.  Yes I did infer in my original post that EA being the new mothership of Bioware may have caused the premature release of the game, but that was purely speculation as I indicated. I will leave the political reteric BS (bioware vs. EA) out of this argument from now on if you will.

Ba. Other game issues are irrelevant to this discusion.  I don't care about other games.  This is about DA2 and it being unfit for release.  Who cares about other games.  That is irrelevant to this discussion. 

Bb.I don't even care about the audio glitch, that error doesn't make the game unplayable.  I am talking about, what everyone else here is talking about, and that is the bugs that affect graphics to the point that you can't play this game.  As I tried to point out small issues (ie. spinning heads) aren't the problem.  The problem is when the majority of players can't play your game due to major forseable issues that a responsible manufacturer should have addressed, by delaying the release to fix these problems.  To release a game that is unplayable for a majority of your customers is incompetence.

Ca.  Again who cares about other games?  This is about DA2 please keep your argument to the game at hand.  As I have stressed, your argument that since other games were released flawed it's okay DA2 is also flawed is a strawman argument and has no bearing on this post. 

Cb. As for this being just my opinion, please read the other posts, hell just read the ones in this thread It is not 'just my opinion".  In fact from the number of people complaining we can move from opinion to fact.  DA2 was released with major issues which make the game unplayable for a large number of their loyal customers'.  Like it or not when a large number of customers feel screwed by a manufacturer their loyalty to said manufacturer will justifiably come into question.

Da. So you agree then that the game was released with performance issues.  Excellent we can move past that part of the argument. 

Db. Wether they are going to fix the issues quickly and wether they are working on them right now is not subject to this argument.  I have faith that Bioware is doing everything they can to remedy the situation.  My point is that the nature of the issues, unplayable for people with 1 of the only 2 major graphic manufacturers on the market for PC's, especially after the warnings from the demo release, Bioware has no excuse as to why they were unaware of the graphic issues.  And on that they should have postponed the game, at their expense, to fix the graphic issues instead of releasing the game and trying to fix them post release.

Dc.  The difference between us is that I believe manufactures have a responsibility to their customers to release games of quality and if they are unable to do that by their release date then they should postpone the release until it meets basic QA standards.  ie does it work on Nvidia and ATI?  Does it work on intel and AMD cores?  They released a sugested system requirement and yet for many of us who actually exceed that the game does not work.  They should have delayed the game until it did work.

E.  No reason to apologize.  However you could go read the technical support for DA2 demo and see that there are numerous posts about graphic issues and Nvidia systems and see that Bioware should have recognized the danger and put the brakes on the game to deal with the issues raised in that forum.

F.  read the posts in the technical help forum, in this thread, it is not 'just me', it is a large number of players.  For every post that says the game works great I have read a 100 posts that the game doesn't work.

Listen in the end I want to play this game.  Desperatly.  I loved DA:O, I loved BG and BG2.  I loved NWN.  I loved ME1 and ME2 and I am sure I will love this game because Bioware knows how to tell a really engaging story.

I am also confident that Bioware will resolve the issues and that they are working hard to do so.

However I can no longer believe Bioware will release a game of quality again based on how flawed DA2's release has been.  That part of their reputation is now tarnished.  As a consumer I am very concerned about manufacturers who produce a game that doesn't work for a major part of their customer base.  And so should you.

[Dannyboyslim]

"The problem is when the majority of players can't play your game due to major forseable issues that a responsible manufacturer should have addressed"

"To release a game that is unplayable for a majority of your customers is incompetence"

"In fact from the number of people complaining we can move from opinion to fact. DA2 was released with major issues which make the game unplayable for a large number of their loyal customers'"

"For every post that says the game works great I have read a 100 posts that the game doesn't work."

Evidence for all of the above?

You can't say that because people are posting up in a forum set up for Technical Support with problems it means that the game is broken. Of course the majority of people posting up in a Tech Support forum will be posting up problems. How many people post up in a Tech Support forum saying "Everything's fine with my game?"

BTW I would welcome a patch, if you read my original post in this thread you'll see I was pointing out that In My Opinion people need to just wait a little longer for them to sort out some of the bigger issues that some were having. I never said the game was perfect, I just don't particularly like all the Bioware vitriol that is being spewed at the moment, and I hoped people with bigger issues had them resolved asap.

[Dannyboyslim]

Perzyn2 wrote...

Dannyboyslim - so if from where I'm sitting everything is ok, than getting mugged or stabbed on the street is no issue, cause it happens to minority of population?

Even if people with gamebreaking issues are only a part of all players it still is considerable part. And judging by number of people voicing complaints only on this forum I can safely assume there's a lot of people with problems.

And it's not about fact there are bugs. Tough luck, games come with bugs. Problem is those bugs prevent lot's of people from completing the game.

Say, you buy a book. And you read it, it's grear book. You want to learn what happens to character. But lo and behold, you lack the 6 last chapters of the book. 25% of books sold have blaknk pages in that place.

So am I to understand it's ok if 25% of buyers got a faulty book, cause reast read it and it was awesome to theme?

To continiue the metaphore, publisher of course recognized the problem and will exchange books for complete ones. Somwhere in a future, maybe in a month.

Would you say that money paid for that book was well spent?

I'd gladly wait a month longer for the release of Dragon Age 2 and play it without hitch rather than have it now installed on my disc, having completed around 70% o plot and being unable to finish it. Sorry, I'm fan of Bioware games and I love the company work, but Dragon Age 2 is big letdown. And I feel ripped.

But of course you had no problems so it's A ok for the game to be rushed and not tested throughly enough, it's the others who for indefinite amount of time are having only a cool loking piece of plastic from their transaction.

I think my brain has melted out through my ears....

You're talking about a violent act like a mugging (which btw I was the subject of a few years ago, had my nose broken in the events) and comparing it to a video game that for some people isn't running properly / glitches / has bugs / graphical artifacts.

Bah, I cast my spell of invisbility and hereby vanish from this thread, as I can't deal with all this hate. I'm done.

[Perzyn2]

There's no hate on my side (dissapointment rather).

And mugging comparison was not about bug, but about "It's ok for me, so it's ok generlly" attitude. Sorry for not being clear on that.

[Typhus reaper]

error 77.. i just want to play my game i spent good money on

[Typhus reaper]

why would these guys release a patch which stops me playing my game....and its not even online...

[TheStrand221]

@Dannyboyslim

You're defense of this is ridiculous, especially relating to your assertion that most people aren't having problems. The vast majority of people bugged with the serious negative damage resistance and even the attack speed bugs (depending on severity) probably don't even realize they're bugged. The Merrill quest line bug is pervasive from what I've seen, with the ACT II issues showing up frequently and everyone experiencing the jumbled ACT III scenes.
Everybody here is just confused as to how this could have passed QA. I honestly doubt you played a bug free game, you probably just didn't realize it.

[dbt-kenny]

It is fair to say that on a PC due the hardware types differing operating systems you going to get games that will have bug in them. Small minor can be a pain in the ass but happen and are normal fix fast. And can be to do with sound a video or for online games LAN drivers.
Then we have DA2 sorry but most of the bug are 100% down to lack on testing the game properly. There are a number of script errors in the game random cash. The game just not ready. And some people cannot even play the game all. Lest not forget that to play the game at all you have to be online at least one? Why?

[CaptainSpaceout]

After installing this patch I can turn on the game without the disc. Has anyone else experience this?
I did briefly turn on the game console to heal everybody, but I'm not sure if that's related.

[Zoidy]

Wow what a awesome patch, now the game is no longer playable. Hell you cant even load the damn thing. Anyone having it crash within a few seconds of pressing "Play"?

[JamesX]

CaptainSpaceout wrote...

After installing this patch I can turn on the game without the disc. Has anyone else experience this?
I did briefly turn on the game console to heal everybody, but I'm not sure if that's related.

I never needed my disc to run the game.  That is functioning as intended.  It only activates game serial# to EA Server, it is not suppose to have a disc check.  The asking for disc in drive A error is an error and not a natural part of the activation process.

[CaptainSpaceout]

JamesX wrote...

I never needed my disc to run the game.  That is functioning as intended.  It only activates game serial# to EA Server, it is not suppose to have a disc check.  The asking for disc in drive A error is an error and not a natural part of the activation process.

Thank you for clearing that up for me.

[DarthLuiggi]

Zoidy wrote...

Wow what a awesome patch, now the game is no longer playable. Hell you cant even load the damn thing. Anyone having it crash within a few seconds of pressing "Play"?

Im playing on steam, so the patch was automatically installed.

Now I cant play, the game freezes immediatly after loading any save!

First I tought my save game was corrputed, or my video driver had a glitch... just checked all the variables and no, the last patch botched my game!

[Brolinwesley]

My problem is that I've advanced 6 hours past broken quest that spans all hardware types, making reloading a previous save a non-option.

"Don't loot item A before pirate chick says line B or door C won't open."

I'm sure that's a super-hard fix.