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[sylvanaerie]

Adrian68b wrote...

"This is why. You only get 'intimidate' options on an aggressive Hawke. Diplomatic gets...I forget what it's called, but you get the ability to talk angry people out of their path (like turning Gascard Dupuis to your side, or convincing Danyla's daughter not to kill the former werewolf). Sarcastic gets "charming" where you deflect confrontation with humor. Aggressive gets...well like that scene with Aveline handling the merchant, only Hawke does it. Damn I don't have any snapshots, sorry. usually after I finish a run I delete them. The only pics I have aren't aggressive Hawkes."

Oh. So that's the problem. Well, not a big deal for me. I like too much the diplomatic Hawke. I only used the other two option around the Birthright quest. I loved the scenes with aggressive/sarcastic Hawke and a cornered Gamlen.

Not to mention that my rogue Hawke is played always as a pragmatic, down-to-earth character, always trying the best for family/friends.

My favorite Hawke was my sarcastic rogue, Kit, who took nothing seriously.  This was the larkiest (and most fun) playthrough I had.  When Meredith said "What should we do?" Kit responded "I take it, heading for the hills is out of the question?"  Sarcastic works best for me with rogues who are...well...roguish

I've had diplomatic mages (mostly) since they have the widest diversity of personalities.  My warriors are almost always grumpy and aggressive.  Except Alistair Hawke.  He was pretty goofy/sarcastic.

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 26 septembre 2012 - 10:10 .

[Adrian68b]

My favorite Hawke was my sarcastic rogue, Kit, who took nothing seriously. This was the larkiest (and most fun) playthrough I had. When Meredith said "What should we do?" Kit responded "I take it, heading for the hills is out of the question?"

THAT was actually his answer? Available in game? Well, it seems I lost a great deal of fun...
I should try it sometime. I could only vaguely imagine a party with such a rogue Hawke accompanied by Isabela, Varric and Anders. Especially in act1, with the happier kind of Anders. Although come to think of it, Merrill also fits well, maybe even better than Anders. Some of Merrill's serious dialogue lines were so shockingly humorous... The perfect group of loonies.

Having played the game as a sarcastic Hawke, did you notice some differences concerning party NPC reactions/comments ? Are they influenced by Hawke dialogue style?

[sylvanaerie]

LOL it certainly is. And i have a pic of that one still.



Also Bethany is shocked by a couple of the things Snarky Hawke says calling Hawke a "Wretch" and "Terrible".  So, yea, personality came into play there too.  Snarky Hawke could say stuff that was inappropriate though too.

My archer rogue said this to Mascha right before she asked her if she thought the templars killed and ate her brother.

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After a few playthroughs as a snarky Hawke, it's hard to take anything in this game seriously.

And Gawain, a predominately aggressive Hawke using a sarcastic line (because this was actually better than the aggressive one).  I figured his humor would be slightly trollish, and inappropriate because he's just not that familiar with cracking jokes.  The elf daddy was relieved, and everyone was happy, except Kelder's dad...and maybe Kelder.

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 26 septembre 2012 - 11:05 .

[Adrian68b]

I almost fell off my chair!!!!

I still can't believe such a stuff was available in DA2, and a lot of people hate it so much!
Well then, if the Spirit Healer mode is really working, it's Bunch of Loonies for me next time!

Even if it's only possible on casual...

Aveline wasn't at all concerned by these all too joyous companions? Or Sebastian?
I simply can't imagine Fenris tolerating such verbal abusers....

Modifié par Adrian68b, 26 septembre 2012 - 11:28 .

[sylvanaerie]

Adrian68b wrote...

I almost fell off my chair!!!!

I still can't believe such a stuff was available in DA2, and a lot of people hate it so much!
Well then, if the Spirit Healer mode is really working, it's Bunch of Loonies for me next time!

Even if it's only possible on casual...

Aveline wasn't at all concerned by these all too joyous companions? Or Sebastian?
I simply can't imagine Fenris tolerating such verbal abusers....

Aveline only objects if you try to squeeze more money out of people like Mascha or do something illegal (she doesn't like you accepting Athenril's quest in Act1).  Fenris...meh almost nothing to say.  He's not a big talker unless you are all YAY Mages, then he says something.  Sebastian objects when...hmmm killing Javaris in Act 2.  But that's the funniest use of the murderknife I've ever seen, though I've only done it once for the Sebbie Rivalmance.   He also objects for most anything you do to mollycoddle Anders.  Also if you do Anders second half of Act 3 quest.  Their opinions are pretty situation specific.  The one who interjects the most in conversations I've found was Varric, and to a lesser extent, the sibling.  But nearly everything that comes out of the dwarf's mouth is gold.

Actually, there is a banter between Fenris and Sebastian that shows even Fen has a line he won't cross.  Sebastian suggests turning in Anders and Merrill, and Fen tells him he better take it to Hawke, he's having no part of something like that.  I forget the actual words used, as I say, it's been a few months since I've done a complete run through the game.

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 26 septembre 2012 - 11:39 .

[Adrian68b]

"But nearly everything that comes out of the dwarf's mouth is gold."

That's why he was constantly with Hawke in the first play. I was really sad Bioware forgot using him properly in acts 2-3. Still, he got that embellished Bartrand fight...

"Sebastian suggests turning in Anders and Merrill, and Fen tells him he better take it to Hawke, he's having no part of something like that."

Never saw such an exchange, because I played Sebastian only once, and having Aveline and Varric stable companions there was no room for both Fenris and Seb. Now this is intriguing...

[sylvanaerie]

Adrian68b wrote...

"But nearly everything that comes out of the dwarf's mouth is gold."

That's why he was constantly with Hawke in the first play. I was really sad Bioware forgot using him properly in acts 2-3. Still, he got that embellished Bartrand fight...

"Sebastian suggests turning in Anders and Merrill, and Fen tells him he better take it to Hawke, he's having no part of something like that."

Never saw such an exchange, because I played Sebastian only once, and having Aveline and Varric stable companions there was no room for both Fenris and Seb. Now this is intriguing...

I didn't carry them around with me much unless I was working on rivalry/friendship.  But before each act closed, I swapped out companions and walked them through zones hitting banter points, seeing what everyone had to say to everyone else.  While it took a little longer to finish the game (I think this was on Lily) I got to see a lot.  I also did it on Kit with Bethany and everyone else.  The banters with Anders and Bethany in Act 1 were actually very sweet, but I cringed seeing how poorly Carver treated him.  Now that was emotional abuse.

Quite possibly my favorite banter involves Carver, Fenris and Varric.  Carver asks about Fenris' tattoos and then says he has one of a mabari.  I won't spolier that one for you but trust me, everyone including Hawke gets into that banter with at least one line. Laughed my ass off! 

[coldwetn0se]

Sorry for the intrusion again...The funny thing about Fenris is, he can actually have quite a bit to say, but he gets trumped by other companions in the group. I did a Fenris/Hawke run through (where I only took Fenris with me, except for companion quests). He has all KINDS of things to say..heh! It's actually an interesting way to check out what any of the companions can/will say, if not trumped by other companions during certain quests. For fun, you should try making a couple of saves right before starting a few longer main quests. Then, take individual companions in turns, to see the sort of remarks they make. Any of the Qun related quests in Act 1 and Act 2, work quite well for this. Also doing Aveline's Long Road quest in Act 2. Too fun!

[sylvanaerie]

coldwetn0se wrote...

Sorry for the intrusion again...The funny thing about Fenris is, he can actually have quite a bit to say, but he gets trumped by other companions in the group. I did a Fenris/Hawke run through (where I only took Fenris with me, except for companion quests). He has all KINDS of things to say..heh! It's actually an interesting way to check out what any of the companions can/will say, if not trumped by other companions during certain quests. For fun, you should try making a couple of saves right before starting a few longer main quests. Then, take individual companions in turns, to see the sort of remarks they make. Any of the Qun related quests in Act 1 and Act 2, work quite well for this. Also doing Aveline's Long Road quest in Act 2. Too fun!

I've never thought of that!  Just taking individuals along.  And Aveline's Long Road quest...is the best one in the game!  She's so sweetly awkward, a sharp contrast to the 'take charge' female battering ram!

[Adrian68b]

"Sorry for the intrusion again...The funny thing about Fenris is, he can actually have quite a bit to say, but he gets trumped by other companions in the group. I did a Fenris/Hawke run through (where I only took Fenris with me, except for companion quests). He has all KINDS of things to say..heh! It's actually an interesting way to check out what any of the companions can/will say, if not trumped by other companions during certain quests. For fun, you should try making a couple of saves right before starting a few longer main quests. Then, take individual companions in turns, to see the sort of remarks they make. Any of the Qun related quests in Act 1 and Act 2, work quite well for this. Also doing Aveline's Long Road quest in Act 2. Too fun! "

WOW!!!
Why does Bioware kept such a treasure well hidden? At least they should have made a few videos with these dialogues, with no hint about game events!

I still can't believe it! And I should have guessed! After all those in-game hints...
For instance, "Blondie" is the nickname of Clint Eastwood's character from the movie "The good, the bad and the ugly" by Sergio Leone. The best western ever made. It's almost 50 years old, but no western was even close to this. Also having the most hilarious scenes ever included in a western. AND completely inpredictable.

Modifié par Adrian68b, 27 septembre 2012 - 12:58 .

[coldwetn0se]

hehehe.....it is one of my favorites. I do love Aveline. I am amazed what content I was missing after completing the game about a half a dozen times (I think are started getting into a rut; to often playing with the same companions, and choosing too many of the same dialogue options....bleh! What was wrong with me!) Finally decided to start REALLY switching things up. Tried different combos of companions, would run with just one companion, tried more varied tones, rivaled/friended those that in the past always just developed a relationship "one way".

Considering how many runs you have done, Sylvan, it is safe to assume that your Hawke has done/said most of that which is available. But if you haven't tried running with just a single other companion, I say give it a try. I actually have had a lot of fun with it! Weeeeeeeee!

[sylvanaerie]

coldwetn0se wrote...

hehehe.....it is one of my favorites. I do love Aveline. I am amazed what content I was missing after completing the game about a half a dozen times (I think are started getting into a rut; to often playing with the same companions, and choosing too many of the same dialogue options....bleh! What was wrong with me!) Finally decided to start REALLY switching things up. Tried different combos of companions, would run with just one companion, tried more varied tones, rivaled/friended those that in the past always just developed a relationship "one way".

Considering how many runs you have done, Sylvan, it is safe to assume that your Hawke has done/said most of that which is available. But if you haven't tried running with just a single other companion, I say give it a try. I actually have had a lot of fun with it! Weeeeeeeee!

I'll give it a try indeed.  Will be hard not to take Varric with me.  

An aside, the scene where Sarcastic Hawke tells Meredith "Let's run for the hills" the look Knight Commander Crazy shoots her is totally worth it!  I'd do a run for that alone, but Sarcastic was just so much fun elsewhere too.

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 27 septembre 2012 - 01:00 .

[Sylvanpyxie]

if you haven't tried running with just a single other companion

Other Sylvan, namely myself, agrees with Cold.

At the very least, I would advise taking Fenris alone on some of the longer missions, he has a great deal of dialogue that often gets buried by other companions. Shame really, it's pretty good "dead pan" humour sometimes.

I gate crashed, sorry. *Runs off*

Modifié par Sylvanpyxie, 27 septembre 2012 - 01:06 .

[coldwetn0se]

@Sylvanpyxie - I gate crashed myself. heh! I think this thread may have derailed......oops. >.<

[sylvanaerie]

It did just a bit. I started posting about rivaled Anders and it kind of jumped the track a little as it got sidetracked into how to run a rivaled Anders game, and making him a rival without being a completely abusive dick to him.
And that kind of segued into different types of Hawke personalities and ...wow...yea it did kind of jump the track didn't it?

And on the subject of rivaling someone without being a horse's ass...It's possible to rival Merrill the same way too, and Lily did it in a nice way, never once being cruel to Merrill. The key to her is the Taronhe book quest in Act 2. That's 50 points, 60 if you destroy the last one as well. Take her to the fade and deny Torpor, and tell her 'demons turn on you in the end' (the diplomatic option) at the Pride demon and she's nearly maxed. Give her the halla statue after and bang, she's locked (or nearly so).

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 27 septembre 2012 - 06:15 .

[Xilizhra]

And on the subject of rivaling someone without being a horse's ass...It's possible to rival Merrill the same way too

NO.

[Adrian68b]

I was blinded a bit by the way I played DA:O. I always assumed that the dialogue wheel in DA2 is mostly a way to organize dialogue choices. It seems it's much more than that. You all just made my day.
Considering how grim DA2 became from act2 onward, it just make sense to play it as a never serious "I don't care at all" Hawke. Not to mention the hidden NPC personality part.
It seems just that the Bioware developers were quite frustrated by the whole thing about releasing DA2 too early. I wonder how much about Anders is hidden this way. He was quite silent most of the time.

[sylvanaerie]

Adrian68b wrote...

I was blinded a bit by the way I played DA:O. I always assumed that the dialogue wheel in DA2 is mostly a way to organize dialogue choices. It seems it's much more than that. You all just made my day.
Considering how grim DA2 became from act2 onward, it just make sense to play it as a never serious "I don't care at all" Hawke. Not to mention the hidden NPC personality part.
It seems just that the Bioware developers were quite frustrated by the whole thing about releasing DA2 too early. I wonder how much about Anders is hidden this way. He was quite silent most of the time.

You could try Coldwetnose's suggestion and take him around with your Hawke alone?  Get some interaction from him with dialogue scenes?

*Edit* since you enjoy the rogue class, I recommend taking Bethany as your mage with you in Act 1.  She seems to be the most 'scandalized' by sarcastic Hawke's comments.  I'm going to have to do that when I do my next Kit playthrough again.

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 27 septembre 2012 - 07:12 .

[Adrian68b]

It will be so much fun...
I always had Bethany with me in Act1, full time. I really liked her. She was a bit childish, but not much.
I tried once 1/2 act1 with Carver, but I found him quite annoying.

[sylvanaerie]

Adrian68b wrote...

It will be so much fun...
I always had Bethany with me in Act1, full time. I really liked her. She was a bit childish, but not much.
I tried once 1/2 act1 with Carver, but I found him quite annoying.

I love Carver, I only had brothers growing up and we butted heads constantly, so I understand that dynamic.  It feels very realistic to me.  I love Bethany, but i think I like Carver more.

hmm now you've made me think...We only get Sebastian in Act 2 after the sibling is gone.  Damn Bioware...I think they did that on purpose.  Legacy has a few banters with Carver/Bethany and Sebastian that are interesting.  I wish they hadn't removed them before we got all party members.  I'd have loved to see how the sibling reacts to him as well.  I know Bethany and him kind of develope a little mutual crush, and I think Carver kind of says "What's this about a chaste marriage" to him.

Sometimes DA2 just feels so incomplete.

[Adrian68b]

"hmm now you've made me think...We only get Sebastian in Act 2 after the sibling is gone. Damn Bioware...I think they did that on purpose."

Of course. I think the engine they use restricted them to just 8 playable characters. It was the same in DA:O. If you wanted Loghain, you lost Alistair.

"What's this about a chaste marriage"

Unbelivable! DA2 is a much better game than what I experienced until now.

Modifié par Adrian68b, 27 septembre 2012 - 07:56 .

[sylvanaerie]

I've only done the Sebastian romance a couple of times. He's fun to flirt with because I love his voice actor's accent and he gets so flustered, but sadly the 'romance' such as it is wasn't that integrated into the story. He doesn't even acknowlege it until Act 3. And Varric doesn't mention it in the epilogue at all. It's very disconnective. As his interactions with Bethany are better than that with Carver (I've never actually played the scene, just seen it on Utube), I did it once after legacy was released to see the Bethany scene with him. Same with MotA. That was kind of cute too. Sort of a sibling rivalry over him going on.

[Adrian68b]

Bioware developers really are crazy! (In a VERY good sense!)