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[Fidget6]

Drake Sigar wrote...

Fidget6 wrote...

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

Fidget6 wrote...


Ah, and then you added about the most immature comment you could have. 

Weren't you the guy who asked other to be more open-minded? Hyprocrit much?

How was that hypocritical? I criticized your comment for being about the most close-minded thing you could say (lesbians are okay, gay guys are a no-no) and asked someone else to be open-minded. 

Perhaps he could have phrased it better, but there’s nothing wrong with a straight male gamer having that perspective. I’m not against homosexuality. I’m just not attracted to men, therefore I don’t want to be hit on by men. It’s really that simple. I am attracted to women, therefore I don’t have the same problem with F/F romances.
Gay romances should be included in the game, but they should be unique to a character instead of interchangeable.

I agree. I didn't mean to suggest straight men should have to be hit on by other men or anything, but as you said the way it was worded was childish.

[_- Songlian -]

Fidget6 wrote...

@FellowerofOdin:

See, this is how you would argue your point in an OPEN-MINDED manner. See the difference? Bravo -Songlian- for being mature.

Thank you.  

[Shockwave Pulsar]

Dr. Impossible wrote...

Balthamoss wrote...

Uhm, no, a troll is someone who only
participates in online discussions to start arguments and flaming and
not to normally discuss with others. It has nothing to do with not
liking an opinion.

In modern usage troll has no other meaning than the one I described.

http://en.wikipedia....Troll_(Internet) That's how the word is used in online forums, whether you like it not, whether you say it's not like that in 'modern usage' (What ever you mean by that) or not.

What do you say to this, you only seem to cite phrases you like and ignore those you have no answer for : 

Balthamoss wrote...

But that's exactly how it is. It's OPTIONAL for a demographic you don't belong to. Don't want a same sex romance ? Then don't choose the heart icons and let those who want it, it doesn't change any other aspect of the game. It's only there if you actively choose to have it. Should everything you like and I don't be removed from the game, even if it would never affect my experience unless I actively choose it ?

[MOB_RULES_]

maybe next game will give the straight people a few options:

1. Stare at <insert name> with burning eyes of hatred.

2. Just walk away. Disgusted.

3. Administer a swift back-hand to <insert name>, so s/he gets put in his/her place proper, and gets his/her answer as well.

Modifié par MOB_RULES , 17 mars 2011 - 11:02 .

[Aidunno]

Drake Sigar wrote...

... there’s nothing wrong with a straight male gamer liking F/F romances and disliking M/M. I’m not against homosexuality. I’m just not attracted to men, therefore I don’t want to be hit on by men. It’s really that simple. I am attracted to women, therefore I don’t have the same problem with F/F romances.
Gay romances should be included in the game, but they should be unique to a character instead of interchangeable...

Well said.

[Hroftt]

Fidget6 wrote...
Well Sebastian (and arguably Anders if you play female Hawke) are straight. And for straight guys I don't believe Merrill mentions anything about her sexuality if you romance her as a man, so the only thing that would be bothering you is knowing the possibility of a female romancing her, even if it's not mentioned. (same with Fenris for the ladies actually.) It's about the closest thing to a fair system that pleases everyone as you're going to get. And it's not any more wrong then gay males only having Zevran as an option or gay females only having Leliana as an option in Origins. I do get where you're coming from, just try to keep a more open mind though. 

 I cant speak about DLC character (i am discussing core game here, DLC not included) but Anders is indeed NOT straight. Otherwise how would be it possible for some players on this boards to do ****** acts with him?


 p.s. Maybe Bioware in future want to do special DLC for special people?
 Like DLC with homosexual companion who prefer this. This way us, straight people wouldnt have to pay developers for working on content that we do not intend to see and not interested in.

Modifié par Hroftt, 17 mars 2011 - 11:04 .

[Matchy Pointy]

Does that mean that I, as a straight male gamer, is doing something wrong as I am enjoying the game and the diversity in it? Anders can hit on my male character any day of the week for me, good for him I say, he have good taste.

[Hroftt]

Matchy Pointy wrote...

Does that mean that I, as a straight male gamer, is doing something wrong as I am enjoying the game and the diversity in it? Anders can hit on my male character any day of the week for me, good for him I say, he have good taste.

 Be careful when you drop soap

[FellowerOfOdin]

Drake Sigar wrote...


Perhaps he could have phrased it better, but there’s nothing wrong with a straight male gamer liking F/F romances and disliking M/M. I’m not against homosexuality. I’m just not attracted to men, therefore I don’t want to be hit on by men. It’s really that simple. I am attracted to women, therefore I don’t have the same problem with F/F romances.
Gay romances should be included in the game, but they should be unique to a character instead of interchangeable.

Exactly. Two friends of mine are gay and I don't have any problems with them, it's just a bro-ship, just like every friendship with a straight guy - they know I'm straight and would never make any advances towards me.

Most straight men enjoy watching lesbian sex / porn, just have a look at a few porn usuage statistics, "lesbian" is a very common term and usually is among the top 5 search tags. On the other hand, "gay" is among the least popular search tags and usually, less than 1-2% of straight users watch gay porn.

The "all bi" approach was a terrible attempt to appeal to everyone and it failed as all characters became extremely uncredible. Your whole party suddenly is bisexual? In a medieval fantasy world? That's poor writing. To me, it seems that Bioware only saw those romances as a gimmick and did not even try to make them look serious. And in the end, straight people got two very poor and bland romances.

In DA:O, it was about right - Zevhran was gay and he was a genuine character. Yes, he was quite clichée ("Ooooh, shooooooes!"), but his homosexuality was credible as it was part of his character concept. He was a credible character. Same goes for Leliana...then again, she was female thus it doesn't matter anyway.

In DA:RtP, everyone is bisexual and it seems that it's only to appeal to everyone, just like the rest of the game.

[philbo1965uk]

Fidget6 wrote...

Dr. Impossible wrote...

What is immature about his comment?

"Lesbians are hawt, gay guys are icky, ewwww!"

That mentality is immature. 

Hmmm...if thats the case you must therefore strongly agree that homosexual males  are the most close-minded bigots in society.

female on female = icky repulsive
female on male = icky repulsive

Homosexual males make  no secret of the fact that they find the female genetalia repulsive ...

[Wittand25]

- Songlian - wrote...

klmg8 wrote...

I don't think there is a straight person in DA2 they're all horny bisexuals.

This. I'm still fairly early in the game, and yet I cannot help wondering, "My God, is everyone in Kirkwall gay, but me?" 

K12aze wrote...

I'm at a loss here.....are people that insecure with thier own sexuality that a video game char makeing a pass at them ( that can be deflected and not brought up again ) totally ruins the game for them?

It's not that. It's the simple fact that if gay or bi players of the game are served properly, why not the straight ones as well? I'm certanly not a designer, but the way I see things, there should be balance in everything, including sexual orientation. I know that BioWare is just trying to please everyone, I know that whatever they will do, players will still want more, and I am sympathetic to that dilemma. It's just that sometimes you've got to own up the fact that you can't please everyone, and then follow the more reasonable thing to do. In my opinion, making every romanceable companion bi is not it.  

Those are my thoughts on the matter. It's certainly not ruining my walkthrough or anything, but is is rather disappointing at this point. 

There are plenty of straight people in Kirkwall. Aveline, Varric, Leandra ... .
I always thought that a bisexual LI is for both ******- and heterosexual romances, so I do not see why straight players are served poorly here since they get the same amount as in DA:O and sor of Sebastian.
Don´t get me wrong I have argued against everyone is bi in the past and still think that once the cast of possible LIs is big enough having everyone available for every PC is silly but with such a limited cast having everyone whose sexual orientation matters bisexual is the best compromise to give the biggest part of the players (those who are not bottered by the bi Lis ) the most options.

If you play a female Hawke does Anders even bring up any interest in males, or mentions how in the Ferelden circle everyone kissed everyone else ? If not he is not even bisexual if you play a female Hawke. I know for a male Hake he actually does not bring up women much. A big improvment over the "I prefere women but you are also ok" you got during the m/m romance in DA:O from Zevran.

[Fidget6]

philbo1965uk wrote...

Fidget6 wrote...

Dr. Impossible wrote...

What is immature about his comment?

"Lesbians are hawt, gay guys are icky, ewwww!"

That mentality is immature. 

Hmmm...if thats the case you must therefore strongly agree that homosexual males  are the most close-minded bigots in society.

female on female = icky repulsive
female on male = icky repulsive

Homosexual males make  no secret of the fact that they find the female genetalia repulsive ...

1. I'm a homosexual male, and I find the female body beautiful. I just don't want to screw it.

2. I'm talking about in the context of thinking that justifies not including them in-game. To put it in perspective what if a gay man said that straight couples shouldn't be in games because they thought it was icky? Would you not have a problem with that? 

[Dr. Impossible]

Balthamoss wrote...

http://en.wikipedia....Troll_(Internet) That's how the word is used in online forums, whether you like it not, whether you say it's not like that in 'modern usage' (What ever you mean by that) or not.

It is not used like that. It is only used as a shorthand for "I don't like your opinions." It's also self-justifying, so you never have to actually explain why you don't like someone's opinions. Handy!

[Hroftt]

MOB_RULES wrote...

maybe next game will give the straight people a few options:

3. Administer a swift back-hand to <insert name>, so s/he gets put in his/her place proper, and gets his/her answer as well.

Good idea

[philbo1965uk]

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

Drake Sigar wrote...


Perhaps he could have phrased it better, but there’s nothing wrong with a straight male gamer liking F/F romances and disliking M/M. I’m not against homosexuality. I’m just not attracted to men, therefore I don’t want to be hit on by men. It’s really that simple. I am attracted to women, therefore I don’t have the same problem with F/F romances.
Gay romances should be included in the game, but they should be unique to a character instead of interchangeable.

Exactly. Two friends of mine are gay and I don't have any problems with them, it's just a bro-ship, just like every friendship with a straight guy - they know I'm straight and would never make any advances towards me.

Most straight men enjoy watching lesbian sex / porn, less than 1-2% of straight users watch gay porn.

The "all bi" approach was a terrible attempt to appeal to everyone and it failed as all characters became extremely uncredible. Your whole party suddenly is bisexual? In a medieval fantasy world? That's poor writing. Zevhran was gay and he was a genuine character. He was a credible character. 

In DA everyone is bisexual 

Hoorah for common sense

[lostspline]

philbo1965uk wrote...
Homosexual males make  no secret of the fact that they find the female genetalia repulsive ...

Sure, some gay guys find female genitalia repulsive.  They are immature if they hyperventilate about it and suggest that females should not be present in games because they are icky.

Modifié par lostspline, 17 mars 2011 - 11:13 .

[Captain Iglo]

Well I like the game, I'm male, have a wonderful girlfriend and been a fan of Bioware since BG2...so whatever you say man.

[Teddie Sage]

I'm so offended by this thread, you have no idea. Your sexuality doesn't DEFINE you as a gamer!

[Fidget6]

lostspline wrote...

philbo1965uk wrote...
Homosexual males make  no secret of the fact that they find the female genetalia repulsive ...

Sure, some gay gays find female genitalia repulsive.  They are immature if they hyperventilate about it and suggest that females should not be present in games because they are icky.

Thank God, FINALLY someone who understands what I was trying to say in the first place! Just to clarify, I love straight people everyone! Some of my best friends are straight! 

[FellowerOfOdin]

Fidget6 wrote...

2. I'm talking about in the context of thinking that justifies not including them in-game. To put it in perspective what if a gay man said that straight couples shouldn't be in games because they thought it was icky? Would you not have a problem with that? 

If someone complains that a game appeals to most of the society, it obviously is his very own fault.

[aliasbatman]

Hroftt wrote...

Fidget6 wrote...
Well Sebastian (and arguably Anders if you play female Hawke) are straight. And for straight guys I don't believe Merrill mentions anything about her sexuality if you romance her as a man, so the only thing that would be bothering you is knowing the possibility of a female romancing her, even if it's not mentioned. (same with Fenris for the ladies actually.) It's about the closest thing to a fair system that pleases everyone as you're going to get. And it's not any more wrong then gay males only having Zevran as an option or gay females only having Leliana as an option in Origins. I do get where you're coming from, just try to keep a more open mind though. 

 I cant speak about DLC character (i am discussing core game here, DLC not included) but Anders is indeed NOT straight. Otherwise how would be it possible for some players on this boards to do ****** acts with him?


 p.s. Maybe Bioware in future want to do special DLC for special people?
 Like DLC with homosexual companion who prefer this. This way us, straight people wouldnt have to pay developers for working on content that we do not intend to see and not interested in.

This its the way to do, no incluide in the core  , dlc and finish , next time less ****** options and do a better game for example more locations?

next time advertise DragonHomo

Modifié par aliasbatman, 17 mars 2011 - 11:17 .

[elenilote]

martiko wrote...
Not that we are made to see if from what I recall, but for the record some females find m/m romance as yummy to watch as some men find f/f.

 

[Zmajc]

As a straight male i really hated the straight up open homosexuality in DA:O and was shocked by DA2 being even worse. It feels like a game made by homosexuals for homosexuals. I felt offended by so many males making advances toward me.

I won't even mention romance options for straight male gamer they're atrociously bad.

How about making it optional to turn homosexual content on and off in game play settings next time around. I DON'T WANT ANY MALE TO COME ON TO ME, PERIOD.

Next time please search for inspiration in Witcher novels or something...

Modifié par Zmajc, 17 mars 2011 - 11:18 .

[FellowerOfOdin]

I'd also be in favor of such an option at start. Let the players decide whether they want (m/m) homosexual content in a game or not, that way, everyone would be satisfied and I doubt that it's a lot of work either.