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[yolojo]

Fidget6 wrote...

I'm a gay male who romanced Leliana in Origins. Go figure we can play characters who aren't us.

I'm a straight male gamer playing a FemShep who romanced Liara in ME2. You're right, we can definitely play characters who aren't us. My FemShep is as gay as she could be.


Jokes aside, I don't see a problem with homosexual options, it's not like you're depraved with heterosexual options in the game. To my knowledge the characters actually change to heterosexual or homosexual depending on the gender of your Hawke. I worry more about whether or not the character can charm me.

I also actually enjoy the idea that you might get yourself in a sticky situation if you say the wrong things. Like with Zevran, I got too close to him and he mistook my friendliness as romantic intentions when I was already with Leliana. Had to turn him down and sacrifice some points, but I say that's actually rather um...realistic? Sometimes in real life you do get yourself in similar situations if you're not clear with your intentions immediately and just wanted to "play along" until...well whoops.

[Kornelius]

Selidor wrote...

Kornelius wrote...

Well, here you said it. There is only one heterosexual-exclusive option in the game. All other are bi or ****** and I do not like it. I would not mind if there is one, but four?!

Where are these '******' options you speak of? There are no gay-exclusive LIs in the game because Bioware have stated that it's not feasible in terms of budget. They are all bi except for Sebastian who is straight, and only Anders and Isabela make any attempt to flirt with you before you initiate a romance. Anders flirts just once, and if you turn him down he never flirts again unless you try to romance him.

Ok then, you are right that there is no pure ****** option and I was not presice with my statement in this regard. Still I think there should be at most one ****** and the rest hetero. Nevertheless, I would not mind if there are no romances at all.

Modifié par Kornelius, 17 mars 2011 - 01:04 .

[Siven80]

/shrug.

I just miss being able to flirt and kiss some npcs.

My Warden was a bit of a ladies man getting a couple of kisses in Redcliffe and having some fun with the Dalish Elf chick.

Cant do anything like that in DA2

Not too bothered about the romances, though it was a bit odd that all romance characters were Bi, but i just put that down to bioware trying to please everyone, or that the world of Thedas is a very loving place

Modifié par Siven80, 17 mars 2011 - 01:04 .

[MOB_RULES_]

Ray Joel Oh wrote...
Kid, people pay money for those games, and in their respective countries various protocol is followed to prevent children from purchasing inappropriate content.  This forum is available to everyone without any age restriction, so they delete explicit pictures and bleep naughty words.  I can't believe you don't understand how this sort of thing works yet.

doesn't change the fact that they themselves exploit sex. does it? doesnt' change the fact that they do it for money either, does it? doesn't change the fact that the set of double standards are present, does it? 

[Fidget6]

Siven80 wrote...

/shrug.

I just miss being able to flirt and kiss some npcs.

My Warden was a bit of a ladies man getting a couple of kisses in Redcliffe and having some fun with the Dalish Elf chick.

Cant do anything like that in DA2

Well, there is Zevran still.

[KenKenpachi]

Yeah even CAD called out this issue in a comic strip, they should have had a way to keep a romance from happening without flirting, being nice to someone doesn't get you in there pants. And some other people have been less than pleased with this, and to avoid it just arn't nice to the guys at all.

I have little issue with it at all as not one damn person in that game I would care to date.

Lets see, we have a killing rampage slave boy.

A ****ed up demonic mage/terroist.

A Pirate Hooker.

A goth Dakota Fanning, who makes pacts that you know will leave her as a slobbering mindless hell spawn one day.

Keep in mind not everyone makes a damn portfolio and just RP's, in place they act as they would. Even DA:O was not replayed much by those who bought it, which hints that they didn't do all sorts of stories.

Modifié par KenKenpachi, 17 mars 2011 - 01:09 .

[Ljorn]

http://social.biowar...1/index/6607011

I just find the lack of male warriors silly. I was a mage so carver was out. I'm left with emo/****** elf with a sword that he could clearly never left, let alone use effectively in a life or death situation. I really don't even mind the homosexual part so much - although I feel its a bit "in your face" as apposed to an option. What bothers me is the fact that my tank was a Anne of Green Gables and my main warrior is about 105 lbs soaking wet.

[android654]

The Minority wrote...

Don't assume you speak for all straight men.

Because I fully disagree with you.

I second that as well. There's no real issue with the romance portion of the game.

philbo1965uk wrote...

Well like 99% of the straight gamers playing DragonAge....my choice of romance was heavily restricted.

If I didn't want to chose the ****** features...I was left with a rather disrespectfull alternative for being such a biggoted straight person (totally unacceptable to Bioware )

A wh0re or Bestiality

I wish I had the power to generate statistics at will too.

Bestiality? Really? Is there a dragon LI I don't know about?

On the question about Anders... Pay attention to his dialogue. He explicitly tells you that he falls in love with every portion of an individual, and their body isn't as important to him as the person as a whole is. The man specifically states he's Pansexual and not gay or bi. So there is One truly bisexual character, one pansexual, and two elves who'll become enamored with you regardless of what gender you take.

And to the "offended straight males," don't worry, you won't catch the gay from a screen. I do however wonder what it is that makes you so uncomfortable about it? You do know you can play a gay character, or even flirt with a male LI just once and not die, right? I've done it just to see what the conversation plays out like, its pretty well done with Anders and Fenris.

[Chriagon]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Anybody have a nerf gun handy? I'd like to shoot myself in the head with it in the hopes that it will temporarily knock me out and make me forget that I bothered to read this thread.

Same here.

[wildfly]

Taurenul wrote...

I really couldn't care less about the sexual orientation of the NEW characters, not because I dont like the characters, but because I know nothing about their past.

But when it comes to Anders I just feel cheated. Nowhere in my Awakening ending did I see the story that Anders has in DA2 or Justice for that matter. It's like all my effort to gain his friendship and get him to stay with the warden never happened.

They rewrote him to fit in with the new story. I never heard him make a pass at any male character back in Awakening.

I don't mind them experimenting with different types of new characters but don't **** up older ones, I don't see the use of developing a character's story if you don't stick with it.

+1
yep, anders in DA2 felt like he'd been raped (mentally and physiscally) by some game developer who'd fell in love with him.

Modifié par wildfly, 17 mars 2011 - 01:15 .

[Fidget6]

android654 wrote...

Bestiality? Really? Is there a dragon LI I don't know about?

You didn't know about the hidden mabari romance option? 

[android654]

Fidget6 wrote...

android654 wrote...

Bestiality? Really? Is there a dragon LI I don't know about?

You didn't know about the hidden mabari romance option? 

Looks like I gotta go to gamefaqs and track that down. I knew he was panting for a reason.

[philbo1965uk]

Kornelius wrote...

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

Dr. Impossible wrote...
"Homophobic" is a nebulous, imprecise term that's meant to relieve the user of the burden of actually explain anything in detail. That's why it's a stupid word that should not be used.

ho·mo·pho·bi·a 
[hoh-muh-foh-bee-uh]–noununreasoning fear of or antipathy toward homosexuals  and homosexuality. [/b] 
intense hatred or fear of homosexuals or homosexuality
irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals

Seems clear enough to me.

Dr. Impossible wrote...
And at what point have I said that logic and reason are nonsensical words? Show me the quote.

Honestly, if you can't even tell when you're being mocked, there isn't much fun to be had here.

You forgot to put the word "unreasoning" in bold. It is quite important there for the meaning of the definition.

Homophobia is a nonsense term just like Islamaphobia...people are not afraid and do not hate homosexuals

They may have a genuine concern and fear of homosexuality being promoted and encouraged ..which is justified IMO.....but I do think society is more tollerant and educated about homosexuality.Non descrimination is being legislated into law .

Unfortunatley its the minority that abuse such tollerance by using it as a platform to shout "I love Ck " 

They don't see it but I can see within the next 20 years they will be a shift back to intollerance.Homosexuality is now in your face, aggressive and confrontational.

Remember that the next time you take part in a gay pride rally with your YMCA outfit with your buttcheeks on show and I love **** T-Shirt on.This isn't what the fight against descrimination was about.

[Fidget6]

philbo1965uk wrote...

Kornelius wrote...

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

Dr. Impossible wrote...
"Homophobic" is a nebulous, imprecise term that's meant to relieve the user of the burden of actually explain anything in detail. That's why it's a stupid word that should not be used.

ho·mo·pho·bi·a 
[hoh-muh-foh-bee-uh]–noununreasoning fear of or antipathy toward homosexuals  and homosexuality. [/b] 
intense hatred or fear of homosexuals or homosexuality
irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals

Seems clear enough to me.

Dr. Impossible wrote...
And at what point have I said that logic and reason are nonsensical words? Show me the quote.

Honestly, if you can't even tell when you're being mocked, there isn't much fun to be had here.

You forgot to put the word "unreasoning" in bold. It is quite important there for the meaning of the definition.

Homophobia is a nonsense term just like Islamaphobia...people are not afraid and do not hate homosexuals

*sigh* if only that were true. 

[android654]

philbo1965uk wrote...

Homophobia is a nonsense term just like Islamaphobia...people are not afraid and do not hate homosexuals

They may have a genuine concern and fear of homosexuality being promoted and encouraged ..which is justified IMO.....

Does anyone else see how ironic that statement is? Fear of promoting something, something that is as innocent and dangerous as heterosexual sex, is a hatred in itself. Thus the term is applicable.

[GregoriusMaximus]

Hey OP, you say that Bioware "spent time" tailoring the game towards gay gamers.

Did it not occur to you that the very opposite is true?! That the reason the party members are androgynous and bisexual is because giving them separate sexual identities would take much more time? That the reason Anders is so odd and overtly flirtatious is that they simply transposed his female Hawke romance over to the male Hawke storyline?!

- We KNOW the game was rushed

Is it therefore more reasonable to assume that the reason the LI system is awkward is because it is unpolished, or to argue that Bioware just hate straight people that get in the way of their PC agenda?

The fact that you opted for the latter speaks more about you than it does about the game.

[slaythatdragon]

David Gaider wrote...

Bastal wrote...
From comments like David Gaiders declaring that he used Twilight as in inspiration for Dragon Age 2 romance

I'll just point out that I did no such thing.

Twilight came up in conversation and I said that the romance in Twilight was well done-- for what it was meant to be-- and was interesting enough to merit examination. That's all.

There's a lot of assumptions in there, not least of which is a certain amount of privilege (not to mention an assumption that all straight male gamers must like the same thing), but I'll leave that to be discussed by everyone else.

(Y)

Couldn't have said it better myself
The OP assumes much.

[lostspline]

philbo1965uk wrote...

Homophobia is a nonsense term just like Islamaphobia...people are not afraid and do not hate homosexuals
...
Remember that the next time you take part in a gay pride rally with your YMCA outfit with your buttcheeks on show and I love **** T-Shirt on.This isn't what the fight against descrimination was about.

With all that stereotyping, is ignorant a better term?

[GregoriusMaximus]

Oh and philbo1965uk, a phobia is an irrational distrust, from the Greek. Homophobia is therefore a completely apposite word and your confused attempts to justify your irrational hatred only serve to compound its truth. You ****ing fail. That is all.

[slaythatdragon]

And honestly
I applaud bioware for including same sex romances in many of their games.


And I'm a straight male gamer

[android654]

GregoriusMaximus wrote...

Hey OP, you say that Bioware "spent time" tailoring the game towards gay gamers.

Did it not occur to you that the very opposite is true?! That the reason the party members are androgynous and bisexual is because giving them separate sexual identities would take much more time? That the reason Anders is so odd and overtly flirtatious is that they simply transposed his female Hawke romance over to the male Hawke storyline?!

- We KNOW the game was rushed

Is it therefore more reasonable to assume that the reason the LI system is awkward is because it is unpolished, or to argue that Bioware just hate straight people that get in the way of their PC agenda?

The fact that you opted for the latter speaks more about you than it does about the game.

How can that be the case, when the dialogue is completely different from male to female Hawke? But its only true with Anders, so you may have something after all.

[Kornelius]

philbo1965uk wrote...

Kornelius wrote...

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

Dr. Impossible wrote...
"Homophobic" is a nebulous, imprecise term that's meant to relieve the user of the burden of actually explain anything in detail. That's why it's a stupid word that should not be used.

ho·mo·pho·bi·a 
[hoh-muh-foh-bee-uh]–noununreasoning fear of or antipathy toward homosexuals  and homosexuality. [/b] 
intense hatred or fear of homosexuals or homosexuality
irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals

Seems clear enough to me.

Dr. Impossible wrote...
And at what point have I said that logic and reason are nonsensical words? Show me the quote.

Honestly, if you can't even tell when you're being mocked, there isn't much fun to be had here.

You forgot to put the word "unreasoning" in bold. It is quite important there for the meaning of the definition.

Homophobia is a nonsense term just like Islamaphobia...people are not afraid and do not hate homosexuals

They may have a genuine concern and fear of homosexuality being promoted and encouraged ..which is justified IMO.....but I do think society is more tollerant and educated about homosexuality.Non descrimination is being legislated into law .

Unfortunatley its the minority that abuse such tollerance by using it as a platform to shout "I love Ck " 

They don't see it but I can see within the next 20 years they will be a shift back to intollerance.Homosexuality is now in your face, aggressive and confrontational.

Remember that the next time you take part in a gay pride rally with your YMCA outfit with your buttcheeks on show and I love **** T-Shirt on.This isn't what the fight against descrimination was about.

Oh well. I see I did not expressed myself clearly once again. I did not want to say that the antipathy towards homosexuals is unreasoning as you probably understood my post. I wanted to suggest that there exists also antipathy to homosexuals, which is not unreasoning. I have reasons for my antipathy to homosexual behavior, and yes, reasons for my antipathy are religious. So I do not fulfill the definition of "unreasoning antipathy".

[GregoriusMaximus]

android654 wrote...

How can that be the case, when the dialogue is completely different from male to female Hawke? But its only true with Anders, so you may have something after all.

Is it? :s Maybe I'm wrong then; but from what I've seen it is exactly the same, but with only a few words switched. I know it's definitely true with Anders, from videos I've seen of it. But yeah; his was by far the most awkward, so that would make sense.

[Ray Joel Oh]

MOB_RULES wrote...

doesn't change the fact that they themselves exploit sex. does it? doesnt' change the fact that they do it for money either, does it? doesn't change the fact that the set of double standards are present, does it? 

What double standards?  They respect the laws of different countries, in their game sales and their forums.  As for exploiting sex, woop dee freaking doo.  Try to decide if you're for more censorship or less and then get back to me.

[philbo1965uk]

android654 wrote...

The Minority wrote...

Don't assume you speak for all straight men.

Because I fully disagree with you.

I second that as well. There's no real issue with the romance portion of the game.

philbo1965uk wrote...

Well like 99% of the straight gamers playing DragonAge....my choice of romance was heavily restricted.

If I didn't want to chose the ****** features...I was left with a rather disrespectfull alternative for being such a biggoted straight person (totally unacceptable to Bioware )

A wh0re or Bestiality

Bestiality? Really? Is there a dragon LI I don't know about?

And to the "offended straight males," don't worry, you won't catch the gay from a screen. I do however wonder what it is that makes you so uncomfortable about it? You do know you can play a gay character, or even flirt with a male LI just once and not die, right?

Straight male LI ...    A Wh0re pirate or a Hominid animal (Elf)

I'm only offended by the 'hitting' on my character of gay characters....much in the same sense I assume lesbians are offended by straight males 'hitting' on them . I care little that a character is homosexual.

Sure I could role play a gay even though I'm uncomfartable   and won't die.But neither would i role playing a pedophile...I'm still uncomfortable and offended.

Interestingly gay people think that straight people shouldn't be offended.But can understand perfectly well why religious people may be offended by Mohammed cartoons.

Interesting also that although there are probably many more individuals with a sexual preference for pedophilia...gay people do not mind the descrimination against those people.Double standards indeed.