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[Dr. Impossible]

wildfly wrote...

i personally think homosexuality is great i wish it would spread more, then we'll not overpopulate our world.

Third world countries are well-known for their tolerance of homosexuals.

i think that's one of gaider's ideas: to educate the teens (admit it, even though the game rated M, kids, starting from 13 at least play it) to be much more open sexually to all directions

And now we depart the realm of "tolerance" and go straight into militant gay propaganda. I'd rather listen to the bible guy again.

Buggirl70 wrote...

This statement is nonsense. How can you possible know this?

It's common sense outside the liberal bubble.

Are you saying you know what all heterosexual men who want to play this game are thinking?

I wonder if there's a biological explanation for the way women just can't wrap their heads around generalizations?

[hazarkazra]

Both character have one point in dialogue where they 'come on' to you. I can't even remember the one with Fenris. I found that whole proposition of Anders is can be avoided by picking the more sarcastic options in his 'first' convo. Atleast gives you less rivalry then turning him down.

If there is one thing I dislike is the simply polite "that's nice, but I'm not gay" which you could use on Zevran back in Origins is not there. Now turning Anders down for making a proposition gives you rivalry points, like it's your fault you're not gay.

[elenilote]

yolojo wrote...

Fidget6 wrote...

I'm a gay male who romanced Leliana in Origins. Go figure we can play characters who aren't us.

I'm a straight male gamer playing a FemShep who romanced Liara in ME2. You're right, we can definitely play characters who aren't us. My FemShep is as gay as she could be. 

I'm a straight female; in Origins my (male) elf got it on with Zev and now my male Hawke is happy with Andres. 

As has been mentioned before, unless you actively choose the 'romance' dialogue option the characters don't make a pass on you - well, except Isabella. And you can get the approval rating pretty high even without romance, I really do not see what the fuss is about

[Ray Joel Oh]

Dr. Impossible wrote...

I wonder if there's a biological explanation for the way women just can't wrap their heads around generalizations?

This from the guy complaining about the etymology of "homophobia."

[Rockpopple]

This thread shows just how far we've come as a society.

*slow claps this thread*

[GregoriusMaximus]

philbo1965uk wrote...

Interesting also that although there are probably many more individuals with a sexual preference for pedophilia...gay people do not mind the descrimination against those people.Double standards indeed.

God, the educational standards in this country have really plummeted. Does it not occur to you that a gay couple are two adults with legal presence engaging in consensual activity that they themselves are responsible for, whereas child molestation involves children who cannot give that same consent?

philbo1965uk wrote...

Interestingly gay people think that
straight people shouldn't be offended.But can understand perfectly well
why religious people may be offended by Mohammed cartoons.
.

Would you like to back this up with even some anecdotal evidence?!? I'm pretty sure most gay men have nothing but disdain for religious lunatics, as well as morons such as yourself.

[philbo1965uk]

Statistically there are many more pedophiles than homosexuals....yet the former is offensive and the latter acceptable and people shouldn't have the right to be offended by homosexuality.

It is a tollerated sexual preference in democratic society...that is the all of it.

You could debate this all you like.It is still unnatural ie against nature.The fact that evolution produces genetic errors ergo 'natural'...is a misuse of the word.

[Zulu_DFA]

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

And this 1% of gamers nonsense is bullshlt.  According to the ESA, 40% of gamers are women.

According to BioWare's own statistics (IIRC) only 20% of ME2 players ever bothered with playing as Femshep.

Wow!  "Only" 20%!  So "only" 480,000 units worth "only" $28,800,000 at $60 each were sold to people who enjoyed playing as Femshep.  Gosh, can't imagine why they even bother.

Yes, but if the amount of developers' efforts and resources spent on adding FemShep into the picture had been spent on something else that could have netted even more bucks in the end. Or maybe it couldn't. And anyway, I'm not against FemShep, just was sayin'.

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

Various studies put the percentage of homosexuals among the population at 1 in 10 to 1 in 20.

I can't really say anything about ladies, but 1 in 20 males homosexual? You need to hit yourself on the head if you think it can be true.

Statistically women are less likely to be homosexual than men.  http://en.wikipedia....ual_orientation

Ah, Wikipedia...

All right, let's have some more of it.

http://en.wikipedia....nd_lesbians.JPG


Oh, and that "1 in 20" seems to include all those undecided on the issue:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11398629

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

Makes sense for Bioware to try to tap those markets, in addition to targeting straight men.  And marketing savvy is neither a liberal nor conservative concept.

Tapping in those markets is risky, becasue it may be aversive to other markets... of which this thread is a sign.

The market will decide.  I'm betting even the majority of homophobic gamers value the overall quality of games more than the threat of having a character of the same gender make a pass at them.  Seriously, it is amazing how big a deal this is to you people.

Well, since DA2 seems to be lacking in many other departments, the abundance of certain type of content is all the more noticeable, I guess.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 17 mars 2011 - 01:51 .

[Ray Joel Oh]

philbo1965uk wrote...

Statistically there are many more pedophiles than homosexuals....yet the former is offensive and the latter acceptable and people shouldn't have the right to be offended by homosexuality.

It is a tollerated sexual preference in democratic society...that is the all of it.

You could debate this all you like.It is still unnatural ie against nature.The fact that evolution produces genetic errors ergo 'natural'...is a misuse of the word.

Too bad the prevalence of homosexuality has nothing to do with its acceptance in society.  And oh boy, here comes another person with his own definition of words that he'd like to share.

[GregoriusMaximus]

philbo1965uk wrote...

Statistically there are many more pedophiles than homosexuals....yet the former is offensive and the latter acceptable and people shouldn't have the right to be offended by homosexuality.

It is a tollerated sexual preference in democratic society...that is the all of it.

You could debate this all you like.It is still unnatural ie against nature.The fact that evolution produces genetic errors ergo 'natural'...is a misuse of the word.

No it isn't. Natural means that which occurs in nature. I see you failed to understand the most elementary difference between paedophilia and homosexuality; I suppose my hopes weren't high. Illiterate buffoons like you are why intelligent people like me will leave Britain. Have fun!

[Fidget6]

TOWERING FURY wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Bastal wrote...
From comments like David Gaiders declaring that he used Twilight as in inspiration for Dragon Age 2 romance

I'll just point out that I did no such thing.

Twilight came up in conversation and I said that the romance in Twilight was well done-- for what it was meant to be-- and was interesting enough to merit examination. That's all.

There's a lot of assumptions in there, not least of which is a certain amount of privilege (not to mention an assumption that all straight male gamers must like the same thing), but I'll leave that to be discussed by everyone else.

You are a homosexual (must have sucked when your teachers called you by last name LOL GAYDER)
You are a jew.
Most of your writing is pretty amateur stuff a high school student can write better than.
I hope you choke to death on whatever **** your sucking be it EA's or otherwise

Enjoy your ban.  (ah, just signed up to post in this thread. Why am I not surprised?)

Modifié par Fidget6, 17 mars 2011 - 01:45 .

[Aidunno]

philbo1965uk wrote...
It is still unnatural ie against nature.

How do you account for homosexual animals? No "free will" and part of nature.

[Dr. Impossible]

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

Dr. Impossible wrote...

I wonder if there's a biological explanation for the way women just can't wrap their heads around generalizations?

This from the guy complaining about the etymology of "homophobia."

How is your response related to my post?

[android654]

GregoriusMaximus wrote...

android654 wrote...

How can that be the case, when the dialogue is completely different from male to female Hawke? But its only true with Anders, so you may have something after all.

Is it? :s Maybe I'm wrong then; but from what I've seen it is exactly the same, but with only a few words switched. I know it's definitely true with Anders, from videos I've seen of it. But yeah; his was by far the most awkward, so that would make sense.

When it comes to Anders and Male Hawke, he goes in depth about his relationships. With Female Hawke, there's not even a mention about it at all. So with that aside they're relatively the same, so you could be on to something.

philbo1965uk wrote...

android654 wrote...

The Minority wrote...

Don't assume you speak for all straight men.

Because I fully disagree with you.

I second that as well. There's no real issue with the romance portion of the game.

philbo1965uk wrote...

Well like 99% of the straight gamers playing DragonAge....my choice of romance was heavily restricted.

If I didn't want to chose the ****** features...I was left with a rather disrespectfull alternative for being such a biggoted straight person (totally unacceptable to Bioware )

A wh0re or Bestiality

Bestiality? Really? Is there a dragon LI I don't know about?

And to the "offended straight males," don't worry, you won't catch the gay from a screen. I do however wonder what it is that makes you so uncomfortable about it? You do know you can play a gay character, or even flirt with a male LI just once and not die, right?

Straight male LI ...    A Wh0re pirate or a Hominid animal (Elf)

I'm only offended by the 'hitting' on my character of gay characters....much in the same sense I assume lesbians are offended by straight males 'hitting' on them . I care little that a character is homosexual.

Sure I could role play a gay even though I'm uncomfartable   and won't die.But neither would i role playing a pedophile...I'm still uncomfortable and offended.

Interestingly gay people think that straight people shouldn't be offended.But can understand perfectly well why religious people may be offended by Mohammed cartoons.

Interesting also that although there are probably many more individuals with a sexual preference for pedophilia...gay people do not mind the descrimination against those people.Double standards indeed.

So I suppose my Alex Shepard and Liara is bestiality? You are aware its a game right? I can't stress this point enough, because you really do seem disturbed by the actions that are taking place in Kirkwall. Try as you might, but you can't protest the people who live there, so getting so worked up about their actions is rather self defeating.

There's a pedophile option in this game? How do I keep missing this stuff? I had no idea Bioware would do such a thing. I agree any game developer who would do such a thing is truly disgus-- What's that? Pedophilia has nothing to do with the game or the discussion?

Lets see, Gay people are 2 consenting people doing what people do. Pedophilia is a person abusing a child... Yup, totally comparable

Do you know what a false dichotomy is? I sincerely doubt that you do.

Also what does Muhammad have to do with anything?

[Merci357]

philbo1965uk wrote...

You could debate this all you like.It is still unnatural ie against nature.The fact that evolution produces genetic errors ergo 'natural'...is a misuse of the word.

Oh, it's very natural. The closest relate to us humans are Bonobos, which do perform same sex on a very regular basis, to ease tension (make love, not war!). So I guess the whole Hominidae family (yes, that right, we belong to it as well) is a complete failure of evolution?

Modifié par Merci357, 17 mars 2011 - 01:48 .

[grumpymooselion]

Granted that I didn't necessarily play the way you guys did, but I find it odd so many of you ran head first into gay relationships without realizing it. Seriously. No I mean it, I have no idea how you managed it. It was painfully obvious which options would lead to a romance for any character, male or female, because if you mouse over the response a Giant Glowing Heart shows up like a neon sign that screams, "I'm the Romance Response!!"

There is no way, again, no way you couldn't avoid these options. There are three glaringly obvious female options, on top of a house of ill repute in which you could get laid by any gender you wanted. The game caters to everyone, gay and straight, regardless of gender. There are homosexual options for both genders and straight options for both genders.

If there are options for everyone that they can pick and choose or avoid entirely, then everyone should be happy.

Modifié par Janan Pacha, 17 mars 2011 - 01:48 .

[tez19]

TOWERING FURY wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Bastal wrote...
From comments like David Gaiders declaring that he used Twilight as in inspiration for Dragon Age 2 romance

I'll just point out that I did no such thing.

Twilight came up in conversation and I said that the romance in Twilight was well done-- for what it was meant to be-- and was interesting enough to merit examination. That's all.

There's a lot of assumptions in there, not least of which is a certain amount of privilege (not to mention an assumption that all straight male gamers must like the same thing), but I'll leave that to be discussed by everyone else.

You are a homosexual (must have sucked when your teachers called you by last name LOL GAYDER)
You are a jew.
Most of your writing is pretty amateur stuff a high school student can write better than.
I hope you choke to death on whatever **** your sucking be it EA's or otherwise

Nice sign up date, GTFO,
Oh and it would be a real shame if you developed a disease that ate away at you, and you die painfully. I would welcome such a thing on you.

[Fidget6]

Janan Pacha wrote...

Granted that I didn't necessarily play the way you guys did, but I find it odd so many of you ran head first into gay relationships without realizing it. Seriously. No I mean it, I have no idea how you managed it. It was painfully obvious which options would lead to a romance for any character, male or female, because if you mouse over the response a Giant Glowing Heart shows up like a neon sign that screams, "I'm the Romance Response!!"

Yep, it gives you nice pretty pictures and people STILL feel alienated. I thought it was obvious as hell in Origins BEFORE the pictures. Really makes you wonder. o_0

[android654]

philbo1965uk wrote...

Statistically there are many more pedophiles than homosexuals....yet the former is offensive and the latter acceptable and people shouldn't have the right to be offended by homosexuality.

It is a tollerated sexual preference in democratic society...that is the all of it.

You could debate this all you like.It is still unnatural ie against nature.The fact that evolution produces genetic errors ergo 'natural'...is a misuse of the word.

Ever seen the discovery channel? Been to a zoo? Our cousins, all four of the other great apes, love to bang other male apes. Know why? Because it feels really good. Granted we're not identical, but they are our genetic cousins, and we're very similar. So doesn't make sense some of us would do it simply because they like it?

Fidget6 wrote...

Janan Pacha wrote...

Granted that I didn't necessarily play the way you guys did, but I find it odd so many of you ran head first into gay relationships without realizing it. Seriously. No I mean it, I have no idea how you managed it. It was painfully obvious which options would lead to a romance for any character, male or female, because if you mouse over the response a Giant Glowing Heart shows up like a neon sign that screams, "I'm the Romance Response!!"

Yep, it gives you nice pretty pictures and people STILL feel alienated. I thought it was obvious as hell in Origins BEFORE the pictures. Really makes you wonder. o_0

I'm just starting to think they can't read.

[Dr. Impossible]

android654 wrote...

Lets see, Gay people are 2 consenting people doing what people do. Pedophilia is a person abusing a child... Yup, totally comparable

Homosexuals can also commit sexual abuse and assault, even against children.

Pedophilia is not child abuse, it's only a sexual preference. Whether the pedophile acts on their feelings is another matter.

[Wolverfrog]

Wait, you're saying that silly little romance sub-plots catering to minority sexual groups made the game the best from Bioware in their eyes?

That's absurd. I'm a 'straight male gamer', but I loved Dragon Age 2 more than Origins, which I played through three times. You can't quantify opinion as everyone's mindset is different, so stop trying.

[gecos]

Dr. Impossible wrote...

android654 wrote...

Lets see, Gay people are 2 consenting people doing what people do. Pedophilia is a person abusing a child... Yup, totally comparable

Homosexuals can also commit sexual abuse and assault, even against children.

Pedophilia is not child abuse, it's only a sexual preference. Whether the pedophile acts on their feelings is another matter.

How in the world is this on topic?!

[android654]

Dr. Impossible wrote...

android654 wrote...

Lets see, Gay people are 2 consenting people doing what people do. Pedophilia is a person abusing a child... Yup, totally comparable

Homosexuals can also commit sexual abuse and assault, even against children.

Pedophilia is not child abuse, it's only a sexual preference. Whether the pedophile acts on their feelings is another matter.

You are sick. I'd say you were a sick person, but the title of human shouldn't be bestowed upon a thing that would say that. Pedophilia isn't a sexual preference, is f*cking abuse.

And if a gay person abuses a child, guess what taht's called? Pedophilia.

[tez19]

I am a straight male and I believe people should be allowed to do what they like with their own lives as long as it is within the law or it is not morally wrong.
Would i be offended if a gay guy hit on me? I don't know if offended would be the word but i would be VERY uncomfortable and would want to get away from him as soon as possible.

[philbo1965uk]

GregoriusMaximus wrote...

philbo1965uk wrote...

Interesting also that although there are probably many more individuals with a sexual preference for pedophilia...gay people do not mind the descrimination against those people.Double standards indeed.

God, the educational standards in this country have really plummeted. Does it not occur to you that a gay couple are two adults with legal presence engaging in consensual activity that they themselves are responsible for, whereas child molestation involves children who cannot give that same consent?

The legal age for consent to the practice of homosexuality varies from country to country.In the UK it's 16 ...IMO that's a CHILD ! 
I knew you would use that cliche "consenting adults" BS

It's about the sexual preference of people being tollerated..Homosexuals think we shouldn't have the right to be offended by them but okay to descriminate agianst pedophilia.

Your right about low educational standards...you demonstrate it.

There are more pedo's than ******'s...please don't be so silly as to suggest all pedo's act out their sexual desires with children.Or think that they should BTW

philbo1965uk wrote...

Interestingly gay people think that
straight people shouldn't be offended.But can understand perfectly well
why religious people may be offended by Mohammed cartoons.
.

Would you like to back this up with even some anecdotal evidence?!? I'm pretty sure most gay men have nothing but disdain for religious lunatics, as well as morons such as yourself.

Wowsa... you just demonstrated homosexual biggotry against religious people...ironic  idiot (see I can insult too)

India, Pakistan, eastern Europe ...America !   pedophilia is just as accepted in society as homosexuality.Indeed more so as on some continents they are very tollerant of the former but against homosexuality .Interesting in you can side with straight people on this issue yet object to such views against yourselves.

Society is educated and tollerant of homosexual practices...in that you are not a threat to society itself.....that doesn't mean we agree with you it is right or normal !