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[Fidget6]

android654 wrote...

Dr. Impossible wrote...

android654 wrote...

Lets see, Gay people are 2 consenting people doing what people do. Pedophilia is a person abusing a child... Yup, totally comparable

Homosexuals can also commit sexual abuse and assault, even against children.

Pedophilia is not child abuse, it's only a sexual preference. Whether the pedophile acts on their feelings is another matter.

You are sick. I'd say you were a sick person, but the title of human shouldn't be bestowed upon a thing that would say that. Pedophilia isn't a sexual preference, is f*cking abuse.

And if a gay person abuses a child, guess what taht's called? Pedophilia.

I'd hate to defend this bastard. (and I REALLY do hate to defend him) but technically he's correct on that one. Pedophilia is a preference for pre-pubescent children, although you can be a pedophile and not act on those feelings. When you act on them, then it makes you a sexual predator. (which I believe is the term you're searching for.) http://en.wikipedia....wiki/pedophilia

Sorry. =(

Modifié par Fidget6, 17 mars 2011 - 02:00 .

[grumpymooselion]

tez19 wrote...

I am a straight male and I believe people should be allowed to do what they like with their own lives as long as it is within the law or it is not morally wrong.
Would i be offended if a gay guy hit on me? I don't know if offended would be the word but i would be VERY uncomfortable and would want to get away from him as soon as possible.

Why? How about just turning him down, politely, by explaining that you're not interested. There's no harm in trying if he didn't know, there's only harm if he continues after being turned down - which would put him in the same range as any male or female that can't take no for an answer.

[veletrina]

just going to make a quick comment here, having done a female play through once and now in a male play through, it is interesting to see that the game does seem to have, in my opinion a very homoerotic flare to it when playing as male hawke. I may be wrong but even the brothel has the male elf who comes onto you with no female service in sight. Just an observation.

[Ray Joel Oh]

[quote]Zulu_DFA wrote...

[quote]Ray Joel Oh wrote...
[quote]Zulu_DFA wrote...
[quote]Ray Joel Oh wrote...

And this 1% of gamers nonsense is bullshlt.  According to the ESA, 40% of gamers are women.
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According to BioWare's own statistics (IIRC) only 20% of ME2 players ever bothered with playing as Femshep.
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Wow!  "Only" 20%!  So "only" 480,000 units worth "only" $28,800,000 at $60 each were sold to people who enjoyed playing as Femshep.  Gosh, can't imagine why they even bother.
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Yes, but if the amount of developers' efforts and resources spent on adding FemShep into the picture had been spent on something else that could have netted even more bucks in the end. Or maybe it couldn't. And anyway, I'm not against FemSep, just was sayin'.
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Considering the total production budget is estimated at $40,000,000, earning more than half of their budget back just from the folks who like to play FemShep seems like a valid investment.

[quote]Zulu_DFA wrote...
[quote]Ray Joel Oh wrote...
[quote]Zulu_DFA wrote...
[quote]Ray Joel Oh wrote...

Various studies put the percentage of homosexuals among the population at 1 in 10 to 1 in 20.
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I can't really say anything about ladies, but 1 in 20 males homosexual? You need to hit yourself on the head if you think it can be true.
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Statistically women are less likely to be homosexual than men.  http://en.wikipedia....ual_orientation
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Ah, Wikipedia...

All right, let's have some more of it.

http://en.wikipedia....nd_lesbians.JPG


Oh, and that "1 in 20" seems to include all those undecided on the issue:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11398629
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And where's the figure for how many of those people who don't care for homosexuals would refuse to purchase a game they would otherwise enjoy because of two lines of dialogue?

And why are you providing a link to a page cited in the very wikipedia article I referenced?  You're not contradicting me.  The fact that the UK has a very low percentage of (admitted) homosexuals doesn't change the overall ratios.

[quote]Zulu_DFA wrote...
[quote]Ray Joel Oh wrote...
[quote]Zulu_DFA wrote...
[quote]Ray Joel Oh wrote...

Makes sense for Bioware to try to tap those markets, in addition to targeting straight men.  And marketing savvy is neither a liberal nor conservative concept.
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Tapping in those markets is risky, becasue it may be aversive to other markets... of which this thread is a sign.[/quote]
The market will decide.  I'm betting even the majority of homophobic gamers value the overall quality of games more than the threat of having a character of the same gender make a pass at them.  Seriously, it is amazing how big a deal this is to you people.[/quote]
Well, since DA2 seems to be lacking in many other departments, the abundance of certain type of content is all the more noticeable, I guess.[/quote][/quote]
No argument there.

[android654]

Fidget6 wrote...

android654 wrote...

Dr. Impossible wrote...

android654 wrote...

Lets see, Gay people are 2 consenting people doing what people do. Pedophilia is a person abusing a child... Yup, totally comparable

Homosexuals can also commit sexual abuse and assault, even against children.

Pedophilia is not child abuse, it's only a sexual preference. Whether the pedophile acts on their feelings is another matter.

You are sick. I'd say you were a sick person, but the title of human shouldn't be bestowed upon a thing that would say that. Pedophilia isn't a sexual preference, is f*cking abuse.

And if a gay person abuses a child, guess what taht's called? Pedophilia.

I'd hate to defend this bastard. (and I REALLY do hate to defend him) but technically he's correct on that one. Pedophilia is a preference for pre-pubescent children, although you can be a pedophile and not act on those feelings. When you act on them, then it makes you a sexual predator. http://en.wikipedia....wiki/pedophilia

It's just semantics man. Of course a monster can fester and think about demented things, but as the term is used in vernacular in the west, a pedophile is one that acts on those urges.

[MisterJB]

Running the risk of being called an horny teenager, I'll just say that I'm a straigth male who enjoyed Isabela's romance path.
I will agree with one thing tough. Anders did come a little strong. You can't even flirt with Isabela until the Second Act but if you follow a diplomatic path, Anders will flirt with you five minutes after meeting him and the choices are:
Yes
No
It was unexpected.

I would have appreciated another choice "Let's stay friends." Thankfully, you can flirt with him at this point and he will still not pursue a romance unless you choose to. I was fully expecting him to complain about Isabela.

[Ray Joel Oh]

Dr. Impossible wrote...

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

Dr. Impossible wrote...

I wonder if there's a biological explanation for the way women just can't wrap their heads around generalizations?

This from the guy complaining about the etymology of "homophobia."

How is your response related to my post?

Your whining about how the word "homophobia" is too generally applied.  Sheesh, try to keep up.

Modifié par Ray Joel Oh, 17 mars 2011 - 02:05 .

[alexmasterson123]

It's.... an interesting point, I guess.

I do agree that there's a lot to be said for first impressions, and that yes, having to spend the first / early conversation with Anders and Fenris rejecting romantic advances felt a bit like the game was saying "These people are here for romance. HAVE SOME ROMANCE." Rather than "Here is a character: get to know them."

Edit: I do like the idea of NPCs being ones to express interest in your character, rather than the usual method of making the player character always the instigator - characters coming to your house to see you in a couple of instances, for example, worked very well - but not right off the bat.

Modifié par alexmasterson123, 17 mars 2011 - 02:09 .

[philbo1965uk]

tez19 wrote...

I am a straight male and I believe people should be allowed to do what they like with their own lives as long as it is within the law or it is not morally wrong.
Would i be offended if a gay guy hit on me? I don't know if offended would be the word but i would be VERY uncomfortable and would want to get away from him as soon as possible.

Morally wrong !

Allowed within the law !

From where do you draw your moral values ?

Laws are made by man and regularly change.

My main disagreement with your post is I do not think people should be allowed to do what they like !
People should not have the right to have sex with children,shouldn't have the right to murder,shouldn't have the right to penetrate another mans rectum in public or private.

I may tollerate the latter and know it goes on....doesn't mean I shouldn't be offended by it or object to it's promotion in society...anymore than pedophilia. 

[moilami]

I actually don't care if all NPCs would be gay as long as I have that logo there telling what they will consider a flirt so that I don't accidentally do what I would not do. Would be immersion breaking for me if my char would begin to flirt with gays. I can also accept there is no romances for me.

[Zulu_DFA]

android654 wrote...

Ever seen the discovery channel? Been to a zoo? Our cousins, all four of the other great apes, love to bang other male apes. Know why? Because it feels really good. Granted we're not identical, but they are our genetic cousins, and we're very similar. So doesn't make sense some of us would do it simply because they like it?

And for which side of the argument is this supposed to be?

Because what we have in a zoo and on the Discovery channel is that alpha-male asserts its leadership in the group by raping everything that moves. Granted, this can be considered as a naturally occuring bisexuality, but such practices seem to have been deemed unacceptable by the cave men and eliminated, seeing how in modern days leadership among humans rarely involves having homosexual intercourse with subordinates. Although, threats of such intercourse remain common in male-dominated organizations, especially when the leader is displeased by someone's performance.

[Kornelius]

philbo1965uk wrote...
"India, Pakistan, eastern Europe ...America !   pedophilia is just as accepted in society as homosexuality.Indeed more so as on some continents they are very tollerant of the former but against homosexuality .Interesting in you can side with straight people on this issue yet object to such views against yourselves."

Did you want to say that pedophilia is accepted in society in eastern Europe?!
I can assure you that it is not accepted. Being from eastern Europe myself (from central Europe more precisely).

Modifié par Kornelius, 17 mars 2011 - 02:15 .

[Ray Joel Oh]

philbo1965uk wrote...

tez19 wrote...

I am a straight male and I believe people should be allowed to do what they like with their own lives as long as it is within the law or it is not morally wrong.
Would i be offended if a gay guy hit on me? I don't know if offended would be the word but i would be VERY uncomfortable and would want to get away from him as soon as possible.

Morally wrong !

Allowed within the law !

From where do you draw your moral values ?

Laws are made by man and regularly change.

My main disagreement with your post is I do not think people should be allowed to do what they like !
People should not have the right to have sex with children,shouldn't have the right to murder,shouldn't have the right to penetrate another mans rectum in public or private.

I may tollerate the latter and know it goes on....doesn't mean I shouldn't be offended by it or object to it's promotion in society...anymore than pedophilia. 

How about the simple fact that pedophilic relations are almost always non-consensual and traumatic?  The socially accepted homosexual lifestyle is between consenting peers.  I define my morals thusly: first do no harm.

[Dr. Impossible]

android654 wrote...

You are sick. I'd say you were a sick person, but the title of human shouldn't be bestowed upon a thing that would say that. Pedophilia isn't a sexual preference, is f*cking abuse.

Yes, look at me being all "sick" by making a simple factual statement. It is a fact that pedophilia, by itself, is only a preference. A pedophile living on a mountain as a hermit is not abusing anyone.

And if a gay person abuses a child, guess what taht's called? Pedophilia.

And? I was pointing out that homosexual relations aren't all conducted between consenting adults.

gecos wrote...

How in the world is this on topic?!

Why are you talking to me about this? I did not bring up the subject.

[grumpymooselion]

moilami wrote...

I actually don't care if all NPCs would be gay as long as I have that logo there telling what they will consider a flirt so that I don't accidentally do what I would not do. Would be immersion breaking for me if my char would begin to flirt with gays. I can also accept there is no romances for me.

And there is . . . I just don't get how all these people are missing it.

Modifié par Janan Pacha, 17 mars 2011 - 02:14 .

[Madi]

I disagree with homosexuality and would rather not see it present at all  but if Bioware is dead set on catering to homosexuals then just stick to your mandatory 1 homosexual romance option per gender. Despite the whining from some that there needed to be more homosexul options to make things "fair" and "equal" despite it's limited appeal that's the best sollution. Origins was perfect in this regard and you also included homosexual side options including Isabella and prostitutes. I also thing Bioware should provide the option to set the option to establish your sexual prefference during character creation with the option to deactivate romance options that you're not comfortable with. This way you don't have to awkwardly turn durn down characters who make homosexual advances.  Making all romancable characters gay romance options is no sollution and hopefully Bioware will not make this misguided mistake again.

[alexmasterson123]

Madi wrote...
Bioware should provide the option to set the option to establish your sexual prefference during character creation with the option to deactivate romance options that you're not comfortable with. This way you don't have to awkwardly turn durn down characters who make homosexual advances.  Making all romancable characters gay romance options is no sollution and hopefully Bioware will not make this misguided mistake again.

Ding ding ding. We have a winner.

[WidowMaker9394]

I'm a straight male gamer and I don't feel neglected.

[Fidget6]

Madi wrote...

I disagree with homosexuality and would rather not see it present at all  

You can "disagree" with it all you want it's still there. I could "disagree" with people who prefer Pepsi over Coke, it doesn't mean I think they should ban Pepsi products for my benefit. 

EDIT: That being said you make some very valid points in the rest of your post, even if I don't 100% agree with all of them. 

Modifié par Fidget6, 17 mars 2011 - 02:22 .

[aliasbatman]

Madi wrote...

I disagree with homosexuality and would rather not see it present at all  but if Bioware is dead set on catering to homosexuals then just stick to your mandatory 1 homosexual romance option per gender. Despite the whining from some that there needed to be more homosexul options to make things "fair" and "equal" despite it's limited appeal that's the best sollution. Origins was perfect in this regard and you also included homosexual side options including Isabella and prostitutes. I also thing Bioware should provide the option to set the option to establish your sexual prefference during character creation with the option to deactivate romance options that you're not comfortable with. This way you don't have to awkwardly turn durn down characters who make homosexual advances.  Making all romancable characters gay romance options is no sollution and hopefully Bioware will not make this misguided mistake again.

+1 read bioware read.

[darkshadow136]

I agree with you Bastel, everyone except one of the companions was BI. I was hoping they would leave out all the gay stuff in this game and leave it up to the modders to add that it so people could have a choice if they wanted it in their game.

[Aidunno]

Dr. Impossible wrote...

And? I was pointing out that homosexual relations aren't all conducted between consenting adults.

Not all heterosexual relations are between consenting adults either. It's wrong regardless of sexual orientation. No matter which "side" of this discussion you view yourself in I think everyone would agree with that.

[philbo1965uk]

android654 wrote...

It's just semantics man. Of course a monster can fester and think about demented things, but as the term is used in vernacular in the west, a pedophile is one that acts on those urges.

Wrong.....the world is full of  pedophiles .

The use of the vernacular in the West is descriptive of anybody that IS...one doesn't have to act .A pedophile is a molester of children.This is a misuse of the definition.

I'm not championing pedophilia...I view it as morally equivalent  to homosexuality.I just find it ironic that gay people think homosexual is okay and should be accepted by society and pedophilia should not.When there are many many more pedophiles.Whom object and view homosexuality as deviant.

I want to hit home that homosexuality is as horrendous and unnatural without the assistance of biblical fanatacism.

All bible bashing misfits,homosexuals,pedo's should be burnt at the stake.....the only altruism should be towards those that procreate and live in harmony...should be no place for sexual deviants 

[Ljorn]

aliasbatman wrote...

Madi wrote...

I disagree with homosexuality and would rather not see it present at all  but if Bioware is dead set on catering to homosexuals then just stick to your mandatory 1 homosexual romance option per gender. Despite the whining from some that there needed to be more homosexul options to make things "fair" and "equal" despite it's limited appeal that's the best sollution. Origins was perfect in this regard and you also included homosexual side options including Isabella and prostitutes. I also thing Bioware should provide the option to set the option to establish your sexual prefference during character creation with the option to deactivate romance options that you're not comfortable with. This way you don't have to awkwardly turn durn down characters who make homosexual advances.  Making all romancable characters gay romance options is no sollution and hopefully Bioware will not make this misguided mistake again.

+1 read bioware read.

*claps loudly*

[moilami]

Janan Pacha wrote...

moilami wrote...

I actually don't care if all NPCs would be gay as long as I have that logo there telling what they will consider a flirt so that I don't accidentally do what I would not do. Would be immersion breaking for me if my char would begin to flirt with gays. I can also accept there is no romances for me.

And there is . . . I just don't get how all these people are missing it.

Do you want to hear my reasoning for it? I can tell. I would find it just good if people would turn gay by playing BW games. All the more women for me! But wait....uh, what if women would turn gay too? There would be no women for me! Noooooo! I have to change my mind so that there is no gay romances in BW games!