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[Hroftt]

David Gaider wrote...

Bastal wrote...
From comments like David Gaiders declaring that he used Twilight as in inspiration for Dragon Age 2 romance

I'll just point out that I did no such thing.

Twilight came up in conversation and I said that the romance in Twilight was well done-- for what it was meant to be-- and was interesting enough to merit examination. That's all.

There's a lot of assumptions in there, not least of which is a certain amount of privilege (not to mention an assumption that all straight male gamers must like the same thing), but I'll leave that to be discussed by everyone else.

 You know, its not pleasant when your new male "companion" start actively hitting on you in first minutes of knowing you? Any chance you start to respect your customers by not putting them in such awkward situations?

[MDT1]

I'm a straight male gamer and I don't fell neglected as I don't use or need computer games to fulfill my sexuality.

[lostspline]

Dr. Impossible wrote...
How could politics not be involved? Also your second sentence is a non sequitur.

Some people don't like the "gay" content for non-political reasons.  For example, some argue that it's not realistic to have all love interests available to both genders.  I think that realism is a bad argument but it's a non-political argument.

On the other hand, you've made it obvious that you don't like the "gay" content for political reasons. You sneer at liberals and feminists while stating that some people just don't like gay people.

It's impossible to reason with someone who has such irrational beliefs about a topic.  "You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into."

[Dr. Impossible]

Aidunno wrote...

Wiki says
In the modern West, according to major studies, 2% to 13% of the population are homosexual. A 2006 study suggested that 20% of the population anonymously reported some homosexual feelings, although relatively few participants in the study identified themselves as homosexual

After looking at those stats, include those men who may have a fantasy about watching two women together combined with males who play female characters.

What do those men have to do with this? Pretty much every heterosexual man is into lesbian porn, and playing female characters just isn't relevant at all.

[Ray Joel Oh]

Dr. Impossible wrote...

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

It doesn't though, not when the game is good.  It just turns away homophobics.  Considering how important it is to your kind to limit the sorts of roles you can play in a role playing game, you won't be missed.

Heterosexuals are only enthusiastic about homosexuality as a result of relentless conditioning and propaganda (in other words, liberalism). Most others are merely tolerant, but would rather not deal with it. The more gay content a game has, the less heterosexuals will want to play it.

It's amusing but telling that you think of role-playing in terms of what sexual activities your character can engage in.

You would have a point if the homosexual content wasn't entirely optional.  It's amusing that you think of game quality in terms of what sexual activities other people's characters can engage in.

[Fidget6]

Dr. Impossible wrote...

Fidget6 wrote...

Why? Trying to specifically appeal to heterosexuals doesn't turn away us gays if the game is good. (Well, maybe in cases like Dead or Alive Xtreme Beach Volleyball. XD)

And?

And.... you didn't answer my question. Why do you think straight gamers would be turned away if there is some optional gay content in a game, when there are plenty of gaymers who play and enjoy games clearly designed with heterosexual males in mind? As you can see from the many other straight male gamers in this thread who don't have a problem with it, I think this is more of a personal issue for you.

Modifié par Fidget6, 17 mars 2011 - 09:40 .

[Merci357]

Dr. Impossible wrote...

Aidunno wrote...

Wiki says
In the modern West, according to major studies, 2% to 13% of the population are homosexual. A 2006 study suggested that 20% of the population anonymously reported some homosexual feelings, although relatively few participants in the study identified themselves as homosexual

After looking at those stats, include those men who may have a fantasy about watching two women together combined with males who play female characters.

What do those men have to do with this? Pretty much every heterosexual man is into lesbian porn, and playing female characters just isn't relevant at all.

So your agenda is, lesbian content should be included, but gay content not?

[Hroftt]

mordarwarlock wrote...

Twilight came up in conversation and I said that the romance in Twilight was well done-- for what it was meant to be-- and was interesting enough to merit examination. That's all.

why david?....just....why?

twilight romance and everything regarding that book is everything but well done, it appealed to the common lowest denominator, teenage prepubescent girls, which is good "for the book", but that's not your core demographic, not it will ever be

 Target audience need to be as wide as possible to get as much money as possible. So they want to adjust game to casuals and housewives, to people who are far from RPGs at first place.


 Those people who who prefer Sims, Farmville, Twilight, and etc. examples of spiritual MacDonalds.


 p.s. David was a writer for Planescape Torment? It was realy best RPG i ever saw, but it didnt sell well... In my country, there is saying (please take no offence, its just saying): Eat guano, because millions of flies cant be wrong. Well, probably they can be. Maybe its better to turn attention not to casuals and mass audience? But ofc i dont make leaving from making games, MAYBE i would be forced to make "streamlined" so masses play it too. But Planescape was realy best game. Despite its not being popular to masses.

 p.p.s. I apologise for my English, not native language.

 p.p.p.s. David, thank you for not including "ICONS" into Planescape. So people who play it, use brains and THINK when playing game.

Modifié par Hroftt, 17 mars 2011 - 09:45 .

[Shockwave Pulsar]

Upset Goldfish wrote...

Now that we have a multitude of characters that you may or may not be able to accidentally flirt with can get a little frustrating to some, and I guess to others it feels like it's all being pushed on them when the characters flirt with you at times, regardless of gender.

There are clear icons that indicate flirting, so no possibility for accidental ninja romance there.
You can tell Anders the first time to talk to him that you're not into men, and he will never mention the subject again, then the only character that will flirt is Isabela, and that's fine because that's her character she already had in Origins.

Also LOL at the opening post, so much text complaining about two lines where one character mentions a same sex relationship, and a strong female character.
So two lines in a game that has numerous thousands lines of dialog and one female warrior make the game "gay and feminist", sorry but that's ridiculous.

[Aidunno]

Merci357 wrote...

Dr. Impossible wrote...

Aidunno wrote...

After looking at those stats, include those men who may have a fantasy about watching two women together combined with males who play female characters.

What do those men have to do with this? Pretty much every heterosexual man is into lesbian porn, and playing female characters just isn't relevant at all.

So your agenda is, lesbian content should be included, but gay content not?

Sounds that way.

If playing a female character and you have a female romance option, isn't that applicable to the female/female fantasy?

To put "fantasy" into place... My wife is into fan fiction concerning gays. Would she want to to see me with another man, or want to watch gay porn... Answer is no. We are talking about fantasy here, not reality and a place where people can indulge their fantasy without repucussion. Personally I think Bioware are overdoing it with the amount in game but different people like different characters.

[lostspline]

Carfax wrote...
Perhaps embracing the gay movement was an incorrect description.  However, no one can dispute that a QUOTA is now in place for gay characters in Bioware games.

I dispute that any such quota is in place.  I wouldn't be surprised if a future DA game has no gay characters because of all the conservative lambasting.

Carfax wrote...
Minorities have a lot of power in Western democratic nations.  I shouldn't have to tell you that..

Power over private companies?  They have some influence but no real power.  If minorities had that power, it would be possible to have a gay Shepard.

Carfax wrote...

Nevermind, I didn't realize that you're just a troll.  I should have figured it out from the Krogan.

Are you calling Wrex a troll?

I've noticed that a lot of trolls use a Krogan avatar. 

Modifié par lostspline, 17 mars 2011 - 09:49 .

[Aidunno]

Hroftt wrote...

 Target audience need to be as wide as possible to get as much money as possible. So they want to adjust game to casuals and housewives, to people who are far from RPGs at first place.

Didn't Zevran make the US news for being gay.. free marketing never hurts.

[Rixxencaxx]

LOL the sims  has gay content and is the best selling game serie of history....

Modifié par Rixxencaxx, 17 mars 2011 - 09:48 .

[Dr. Impossible]

lostspline wrote...

On the other hand, you've made it obvious that you don't like the "gay" content for political reasons.

I don't like gay content because I just don't like it.

You sneer at liberals and feminists while stating that some people just don't like gay people.

So you're saying it isn't true that some people don't like gays?

It's impossible to reason with someone who has such irrational beliefs about a topic.  "You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into."

You assert that I have political beliefs and that my beliefs are irrational, but you don't connect these two ideas in any logical fashion.

And if there's anyone on this planet who didn't reason themselves into their beliefs, that would be liberals.

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

You would have a point if the homosexual content wasn't entirely optional.

That's beside the point.

It's
amusing that you think of game quality in terms of what sexual
activities other people's characters can engage in.

DA2 might be a fine gay/female dating sim for all I know. I just have zero interest in playing it.

Fidget6 wrote...

And.... you didn't answer my question.
Why do you think straight gamers would be turned away if there is some
optional gay content in a game, when there are plenty of gaymers who
play and enjoy games clearly designed with heterosexual males in mind?
As you can see from the many other straight male gamers in this thread
who don't have a problem with it, I think this is more of a personal
issue for you.

Why do you think it logically follows that if
gays are completely neutral to heterosexual content, the reverse must
also be true? It isn't true.

Merci357 wrote...

So your agenda is, lesbian content should be included, but gay content not?

I'm fine with lesbian content (unless it goes overboard), but I don't like gay content.

[Hroftt]

Rixxencaxx wrote...
LOL the sims  has gay content and is the best selling game serie of history....

 And?

 What is your conclusion of this statement you now did? 


 p.s. MacDonalds is best selling food restaurant. So now food there is good, what do you think? Maybe Quality and Popularity are not sometimes equal and synonims of each other?

Modifié par Hroftt, 17 mars 2011 - 09:50 .

[Ethical]

Dr. Impossible wrote...
I'm fine with lesbian content (unless it goes overboard), but I don't like gay content.

So your fine with gay content(lesbian content being gay), but you don't like gay content? 

you sir are very smart. 

In all honesty, Anders was the only one that bothered me because he felt fake, (the gay relationship that is) I mean in awakening he was 99% straight then the sudden change. Idk. 

Modifié par Ethical, 17 mars 2011 - 09:54 .

[Fidget6]

Aidunno wrote...

Hroftt wrote...

 Target audience need to be as wide as possible to get as much money as possible. So they want to adjust game to casuals and housewives, to people who are far from RPGs at first place.

Didn't Zevran make the US news for being gay.. free marketing never hurts.

Perhaps it was briefly mentioned, I don't recall it being a big thing though. Although Jimmy Kimmel showed it on his show to poke fun at the "ewww" factor because he's a giant douchebag homophobe.

[AmstradHero]

Far out people, is it not obvious that Mr Impossible and Carfax are blatantly homophobic and/or trolls? Their argument boils down to "Get them gays out of my Dragon Age." Unfortunately, there is no cure for intolerance.

[Dr. Impossible]

Ethical wrote...

So your fine with gay content(lesbian content being gay), but you don't like gay content? 

you sir are very smart. 

You're arguing semantics in a preposterous fashion. You know very well that I am making a distinction between female and male homosexuality. It's not exactly uncommon to use 'gay' to refer to the latter only.

AmstradHero wrote...

Far out people, is it not obvious
that Mr Impossible and Carfax are blatantly homophobic and/or trolls?
Their argument boils down to "Get them gays out of my Dragon Age."
Unfortunately, there is no cure for intolerance.

'Homophobic' and 'troll' are both basically nonsense words. Try rephrasing your post into something intelligible. You're also using 'intolerance' incorrectly.

Modifié par Dr. Impossible, 17 mars 2011 - 09:59 .

[Merci357]

AmstradHero wrote...

Far out people, is it not obvious that Mr Impossible and Carfax are blatantly homophobic and/or trolls? Their argument boils down to "Get them gays out of my Dragon Age." Unfortunately, there is no cure for intolerance.

Fair enough. Seemed like the right thing to argue a bit, though. After all, it's optional content everyone can decline - and optional content some of us appreciate. I don't want to see it go away, just because some homophobics got vocal.

[Ethical]

Dr. Impossible wrote...
'Homophobic' and 'troll' are both basically nonsense words. Try rephrasing your post into something intelligible. 

are you stuck in the 20th century?  

[Fidget6]

Dr. Impossible wrote...
'Homophobic' and 'troll' are both basically nonsense words. Try rephrasing your post into something intelligible. You're also using 'intolerance' incorrectly.

lol, "I don't like these names you're calling me! So in my little world, they don't exist! So there!" *plugs ears and walks away*

[Hroftt]

AmstradHero wrote...

Far out people, is it not obvious that Mr Impossible and Carfax are blatantly homophobic and/or trolls? Their argument boils down to "Get them gays out of my Dragon Age." Unfortunately, there is no cure for intolerance.

 Not only gay have rights.

 Normal people have rights too, you know? Basicly being normal you cant romance straight male or female, because most of romancable companions are bi. How is it not breaking rights? 

 It is, my friend.

Modifié par Hroftt, 17 mars 2011 - 10:09 .

[Dr. Impossible]

Ethical wrote...
are you stuck in the 20th century?

The definition of homophobia: Any opinion that is negative towards, or critical of, homosexuality or homosexuals.
The definition of troll: A person expressing an opinion you don't like.

Essentially, calling someone a homophobe or troll is equivalent to calling them a poopyhead. You are not really saying anything at all when you use those words.

[lostspline]

Dr. Impossible wrote...

lostspline wrote...

On the other hand, you've made it obvious that you don't like the "gay" content for political reasons.

I don't like gay content because I just don't like it.

Pure emotion? And you wonder why I said you had irrational beliefs....

Dr. Impossible wrote...

You sneer at liberals and feminists while stating that some people just don't like gay people.

So you're saying it isn't true that some people don't like gays?

Of course, that's true.  But, you weren't just sharing trivia for no reason.

Dr. Impossible wrote...
You assert that I have political beliefs and that my beliefs are irrational, but you don't connect these two ideas in any logical fashion.

What? I was supposed to build a logical framework to support the idea that you possess irrational political beliefs? I thought the irrationality was obvious but privilege as myth was one of the more egregious inanities.  A conservative can argue that privilege is natural (or just, etc.) but arguing that it doesn't exist just proves that one has wilfully blinded oneself.