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[AmstradHero]

Merci357 wrote...

AmstradHero wrote...

Far out people, is it not obvious that Mr Impossible and Carfax are blatantly homophobic and/or trolls? Their argument boils down to "Get them gays out of my Dragon Age." Unfortunately, there is no cure for intolerance.

Fair enough. Seemed like the right thing to argue a bit, though. After all, it's optional content everyone can decline - and optional content some of us appreciate. I don't want to see it go away, just because some homophobics got vocal.

Oh I agree. I chose to speak up and decry the "evidence" of the OP on which they were basing their arguments, for I see their opinion coming from a narrow-minded perspective.  That they ignored my arguments entirely and that their arguments consist almost exclusively of illogical conclusions and blatant misrepresentations only demonstrates that fact that they are basing their "argument" on nothing more than their own personal preferences and gender and sexuality issues.

From the posts by David Gaider and the other writers on the issue, it's obvious that they are not listening to the opinions of these people, because they represent a vocal and prejudiced minority. Most gamers are intelligent people who realise the romances are represent potentially enjoyable and entirely optional content that gamers can choose to pursue or ignore as is their choice.

As has been pointed out by the writers, there is intentional ambiguity about the specific sexual preference of certain characters. Furthermore, to complain about the presence of a gay or bisexual character in a game is akin to complaining about the presence of a gay or bisexual person in the workplace or social group.

Modifié par AmstradHero, 17 mars 2011 - 10:12 .

[Hroftt]

My sister play Dragon age 2 and being straight (as MAJORITY of people, you know) want to romance straight male companion. How her rights are not broken by devs of this game by giving her options of mostly bi-sexual or gay male companions?

Dear "tolerant" public, answer this question please.

[Eski.Moe]

I've got to admit, I wasn't really a fan of the romance options. I ended up romancing Isabela and by the end, did like her, but I felt like I had no other choice since Merril didn't appeal to me (only her accent makes me swoon but she looks like Dobby too much). I liked Morrigan and Leliana a lot more.

[Ray Joel Oh]

Hroftt wrote...

AmstradHero wrote...

Far out people, is it not obvious that Mr Impossible and Carfax are blatantly homophobic and/or trolls? Their argument boils down to "Get them gays out of my Dragon Age." Unfortunately, there is no cure for intolerance.

 Not only gay have rights.

 Normal people have rights too, you know? Basicly being normal you cant romance straight male or female, because they bi. How is it not breaking rights? 

 It is, my friend.

So you can't roleplay a romance with them because if, in a different playthrough, in a different gaming universe, you were the same gender as them, they would hit on you in that playthrough?  And you can't wrap your brain around that?  Wow.

[lostspline]

Hroftt wrote...

My sister play Dragon age 2 and being straight (as MAJORITY of people, you know) want to romance straight male companion. How her rights are not broken by devs of this game by giving her options of mostly bi-sexual or gay male companions?

Dear "tolerant" public, answer this question please.

There is no such thing as rights to content from a game company.  If they decide to make a game with no romances, the fans aren't having their rights violated.

[Dr. Impossible]

lostspline wrote...

Pure emotion? And you wonder why I said you had irrational beliefs....

Why would I need a more elaborate reason than that? Do you go around calling people irrational for not liking fruit salad?

Of course, that's true.  But, you weren't just sharing trivia for no reason.

I was pointing out that some people just simply don't like gays, and the issue has nothing to do with them being uncomfortable with their sexuality.

What? I was supposed to build a logical framework to support the idea that you possess irrational political beliefs?

Uh, yes?

I thought the irrationality was obvious but privilege as myth was one of the more egregious inanities.

The feminist theory of privilege is incoherent nonsense.

[Eski.Moe]

Hroftt wrote...

My sister play Dragon age 2 and being straight (as MAJORITY of people, you know) want to romance straight male companion. How her rights are not broken by devs of this game by giving her options of mostly bi-sexual or gay male companions?

Dear "tolerant" public, answer this question please.

Anders is 'straight' for all intents and purposes if you play a female. I believe he doesn't even reference Karl in that sort of way.
All LIs are bi, if you want to go that route with them. There are always options to break off a romance. And there is a massive indication if you're about to start on a path. Common sense combined with the BIG LOVE HEART icon. I played a male Hawke and Anders never did hit on me. Neither did Fenris. Merril showed up to my place wanting to get jiggy for some reason but I never had any other mishaps. The only one who treated my character as a LI was Isabela who I chose.

[Ray Joel Oh]

Hroftt wrote...

My sister play Dragon age 2 and being straight (as MAJORITY of people, you know) want to romance straight male companion. How her rights are not broken by devs of this game by giving her options of mostly bi-sexual or gay male companions?

Dear "tolerant" public, answer this question please.

First off: from where are you deriving these "rights"?  We don't have an articles of confederation for gamers, you know.  We get whatever the game designers choose to give us, and they make those decisions based on potential sales.  Secondly: if the male characters engage in romance with her female character, what about them is gay or bi?

[Fidget6]

Hroftt wrote...

AmstradHero wrote...

Far out people, is it not obvious that Mr Impossible and Carfax are blatantly homophobic and/or trolls? Their argument boils down to "Get them gays out of my Dragon Age." Unfortunately, there is no cure for intolerance.

 Not only gay have rights.

 Normal people have rights too, you know? Basicly being normal you cant romance straight male or female, because most of romancable companions are bi. How is it not breaking rights? 

 It is, my friend.

Umm..... what?

[AmstradHero]

Hroftt wrote...

My sister play Dragon age 2 and being straight (as MAJORITY of people, you know) want to romance straight male companion. How her rights are not broken by devs of this game by giving her options of mostly bi-sexual or gay male companions?

Dear "tolerant" public, answer this question please.

Play as a female character. Talk to Anders and romance him.  In that specific playthrough there is nothing suggesting that Anders is "bi". You are using meta-game knowledge to inform your opinion of character as is presented to you within the game. You have the freedom to have your own personal canon whereby Anders is not gay or bi-sexual, and there is nothing preventing that except you.

I played through the game with a female Hawke and had her romance Anders. I did not know that Anders could have gay romances during that playthrough. Even now that I know that, in the canon established by my playthrough, Anders is not gay, nor bisexual. The sexual preferences of the romanceable characters (bar Isabela) are deliberately ambiguous - which was a specific choice made by the writers.

Suspend your disbelief. Learn how to roleplay. Immerse yourself in the reality of the gameworld that you shape. This might sound like a cop-out, but if we're being perfectly honest, that is the essence of roleplaying - investing yourself in fleshing out the reality of the game world in which you are playing.

Modifié par AmstradHero, 17 mars 2011 - 10:21 .

[Fidget6]

lostspline wrote...

Hroftt wrote...

My sister play Dragon age 2 and being straight (as MAJORITY of people, you know) want to romance straight male companion. How her rights are not broken by devs of this game by giving her options of mostly bi-sexual or gay male companions?

Dear "tolerant" public, answer this question please.

There is no such thing as rights to content from a game company.  If they decide to make a game with no romances, the fans aren't having their rights violated.

Exactly. The developers can make their game as they see fit. They could make Hawke a transvestite clown hooker if they so chose, no ones "rights" are being violated. If you guys really think it's that crucial that your friends and LIs aren't bi, go play pretty much ANY OTHER GAME.

Modifié par Fidget6, 17 mars 2011 - 10:22 .

[AmyBA]

My husband expressed no such problems with the romance options in the game.

He may not be your stereotypical male, (he didn't like Isabella at all, he said he could "smell" the skank on her, heh) in all Bioware games with the option, hes always completely ignored the romances as he has no real interest in them, and hes never felt pressured to choose an LI.

Same for DA2. He said he had no problems ignoring and overlooking any flirtation from any of the companions and never felt uncomfortable about it. When Anders did get a bit flirty at one point in the game, he actually chuckled and jokingly said "Hate to disappoint him, but I just don't like guys with pony tails...." And pretty much left it at that.

[Shockwave Pulsar]

Dr. Impossible wrote...


'Homophobic' and 'troll' are both basically nonsense words. Try rephrasing your post into something intelligible. You're also using 'intolerance' incorrectly.

This nonsense just shows that you couldn't find an argument for your response. 'Homophobic' and 'troll' are nonsense words ? Wut ? How ? What exactly is a nonsense word ? Go buy a dictionary, you will find that those words have a fairly specific meaning...

Dr. Impossible wrote...


I'm fine with lesbian content (unless it goes overboard), but I don't like gay content.

That's like saying I don't like Japanese, only Chinese, so Japanese should be removed from the game... You don't like it, good for you. Other people do, it's there for them, not for you, it's optional. The game is not designed to specifically suit your own individual tastes and dislikes. You can easily find out about the optional content before you buy, so if you don't want it don't do the optional gay content or don't buy the game.

Modifié par Balthamoss, 17 mars 2011 - 10:28 .

[lostspline]

Dr. Impossible wrote...

Why would I need a more elaborate reason than that? Do you go around calling people irrational for not liking fruit salad?

I would if they went to restaurants to register their disgust that fruit salad is on the menu. 

Dr. Impossible wrote...

Of course, that's true.  But, you weren't just sharing trivia for no reason.

I was pointing out that some people just simply don't like gays, and the issue has nothing to do with them being uncomfortable with their sexuality.

If that's all you meant, I won't argue that point.

Dr. Impossible wrote...
The feminist theory of privilege is incoherent nonsense.

In that vein, privilege is a fact.

[Hroftt]

Fidget6 wrote...

Hroftt wrote...

AmstradHero wrote...

Far out people, is it not obvious that Mr Impossible and Carfax are blatantly homophobic and/or trolls? Their argument boils down to "Get them gays out of my Dragon Age." Unfortunately, there is no cure for intolerance.

 Not only gay have rights.

 Normal people have rights too, you know? Basicly being normal you cant romance straight male or female, because most of romancable companions are bi. How is it not breaking rights? 

 It is, my friend.

Umm..... what?

 I mean if you enjoy romances with Bisexual, you have plenty options to choose.
 If you enjoy gay romances, you have plenty options to choose.
 But if you want romance with straight companion, being straight yourself (or role-playing straight if you fan of roleplay) - your options are severely limited.


 Lets say you play straight male and want straight women, you have 0 options whom you can romance. Since both Isabella and Merill are bi.
 If you play play straight female and want straight (not ****** or bi male), you have also limited option (Sebastian? dont have DLC so not sure) since both Anders and Fenris are bi. 

 Doesnt the fact that people who want ****** or bi relations have much more options to choose, then straight people, look wrong to you?

Modifié par Hroftt, 17 mars 2011 - 10:32 .

[Drake Sigar]

Nobody should use Twilight as in inspiration for anything.

[Dr. Impossible]

Balthamoss wrote...

This nonsense just shows that you couldn't find an argument for your response. 'Homophobic' and 'troll' are nonsense words ? Wut ? How ? What exactly is a nonsense word ? Go buy a dictionary, you will find that those words have a fairly specific meaning...

As I posted earlier...:

The definition of homophobia: Any opinion that is negative towards, or critical of, homosexuality or homosexuals.
The definition of troll: A person expressing an opinion you don't like.

Essentially,
calling someone a homophobe or troll is equivalent to calling them a
poopyhead. You are not really saying anything at all when you use those
words.

That's like saying I don't like Japanese, only Chinese, so Chinese should be removed from the game...

Yes, it's exactly like that.

You don't like it, good for you. Other people do, it's there for them, not for you, it's optional. The game is not designed to specifically suit your own individual tastes and dislikes. You can easily find out about the optional content before you buy, so if you don't want it don't do the optional gay content or don't buy the game.

"If you don't like it, don't play it." What an original argument.

lostspline wrote...

I would if they went to restaurants to register their disgust that fruit salad is on the menu.

I see. And what does this have to do with anything we're talking about?

In that vein, privilege is a fact.

Feminism contains about as much facts as the Antarctica contains rainforests.

[Shockwave Pulsar]

Hroftt wrote...

Fidget6 wrote...

Hroftt wrote...

AmstradHero wrote...

Far out people, is it not obvious that Mr Impossible and Carfax are blatantly homophobic and/or trolls? Their argument boils down to "Get them gays out of my Dragon Age." Unfortunately, there is no cure for intolerance.

 Not only gay have rights.

 Normal people have rights too, you know? Basicly being normal you cant romance straight male or female, because most of romancable companions are bi. How is it not breaking rights? 

 It is, my friend.

Umm..... what?

 I mean if you enjoy romances with Bisexual, you have plenty options to choose.
 If you enjoy gay romances, you have plenty options to choose.

 But if you want romance with straight companion, being straight yourself (or role-playing straight if you fan of roleplay) - your options are severely limited.


 This doesnt look wrong to you?

Only Isabela is defined as bisexual, the others are either hetero- or homosexual depending on the gender of your Hawke.

[Fidget6]

Hroftt wrote...

Fidget6 wrote...

Hroftt wrote...

AmstradHero wrote...

Far out people, is it not obvious that Mr Impossible and Carfax are blatantly homophobic and/or trolls? Their argument boils down to "Get them gays out of my Dragon Age." Unfortunately, there is no cure for intolerance.

 Not only gay have rights.

 Normal people have rights too, you know? Basicly being normal you cant romance straight male or female, because most of romancable companions are bi. How is it not breaking rights? 

 It is, my friend.

Umm..... what?

 I mean if you enjoy romances with Bisexual, you have plenty options to choose.
 If you enjoy gay romances, you have plenty options to choose.

 But if you want romance with straight companion, being straight yourself (or role-playing straight if you fan of roleplay) - your options are severely limited.


 This doesnt look wrong to you?

Well Sebastian (and arguably Anders if you play female Hawke) are straight. And for straight guys I don't believe Merrill mentions anything about her sexuality if you romance her as a man, so the only thing that would be bothering you is knowing the possibility of a female romancing her, even if it's not mentioned. (same with Fenris for the ladies actually.) It's about the closest thing to a fair system that pleases everyone as you're going to get. And it's not any more wrong then gay males only having Zevran as an option or gay females only having Leliana as an option in Origins. I do get where you're coming from, just try to keep a more open mind though. 

[FellowerOfOdin]

I highly agree here. I planned to buy the Ultimate Edition but when I saw that this game turned out to be a massive sausage fest, I decided not to buy the game at all. All we straight gamers get is a **** and an annoying little jailbait, the only character who would be a good romance would be the, currently non-romanceable, Aveline.

Angry Joe got it completely right in his review: when I play as a male Hawke, I do not want to get hit by my companions - never ever. DA:RtP's romances are nothing but a bland attempt to appeal to all the queer romance lovers and it's a huge turn-off for me.

I am fine with f/f romances as they are attractive to watch even for a straight man, but m/m romances / advances etc. are a no-no.

Modifié par FellowerOfOdin, 17 mars 2011 - 10:37 .

[Fidget6]

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

I highly agree here. I planned to buy the Ultimate Edition but when I saw that this game turned out to be a massive sausage fest, I decided not to buy the game at all. All we straight gamers get is a **** and an annoying little jailbait, the only character who would be a good romance would be the, currently non-romanceable, Aveline.

Angry Joe got it completely right in his review: when I play as a male Hawke, I do not want to get hit by my companions - never ever. DA:RtP's romances are nothing but a bland attempt to appeal to all the queer romance lovers and it's a huge turn-off for me.

The part about the girls not fitting your tastes is completely understandable and valid. The rest just seems like a bunch of bigoted bs in my opinion. 

EDIT:

I am fine with f/f romances as they are attractive to watch even for a straight man, but m/m romances / advances etc. are a no-no.

Ah, and then you added about the most immature comment you could have. 

Modifié par Fidget6, 17 mars 2011 - 10:39 .

[philbo1965uk]

Putting homosexual content in a childrens game/story should be frowned upon.It's motive is political .

Sexuality is a serious issue for young minds and if it was to be approached in a game it should have been done seriously...not for this.. irrisponsible titillation .

As a gamer...I want to play games !

Not be exposed to the deviant sexual gratifications of a homosexual developer .

I have no problem with gay people..but legislation has become too relaxed and driven by these bleeding heart liberalists in modern society.
We appear to be living in an age where homosexuality is being openly promoted and encouraged...standing on principal for rights is laudable.
In your face , I take it up the bum campness in the media and I want to adopt kids like toy's (Elton John) demands is something society should object to.

I find it admirable that society has removed the sexist & racist ideology from TV media like sitcoms from the 70's.....but totally obnoxious to find it replaced with openly gay and camp TV presenters/celebrities making rude and disgusting innuendo at every opportunity.

Society may have a more relaxed attitude now but instead of embracing such social acceptance and law ..it is being openly and systematically abused.

Modifié par philbo1965uk, 17 mars 2011 - 10:40 .

[Drake Sigar]

Fidget6 wrote...

Well Sebastian (and arguably Anders if you play female Hawke) are straight. And for straight guys I don't believe Merrill mentions anything about her sexuality if you romance her as a man, so the only thing that would be bothering you is knowing the possibility of a female romancing her, even if it's not mentioned. (same with Fenris for the ladies actually.) It's about the closest thing to a fair system that pleases everyone as you're going to get. And it's not any more wrong then gay males only having Zevran as an option or gay females only having Leliana as an option in Origins. I do get where you're coming from, just try to keep a more open mind though. 

Sure it’s ‘fair’ in the sense that they are leaving no demographic unturned, but making sexuality completely interchangeable is counterproductive to the characterization.

Modifié par Drake Sigar, 17 mars 2011 - 10:41 .

[Fidget6]

philbo1965uk wrote...

Putting homosexual content in a childrens game/story should be frowned upon.It's motive is political .

Sexuality is a serious issue for young minds and if it was to be approached in a game it should have been done seriously...not for this.. irrisponsible titillation .

As a gamer...I want to play games !

Not be exposed to the deviant sexual gratifications of a homosexual developer .

I have no problem with gay people..but legislation has become too relaxed and driven by these bleeding heart liberalists in modern society.
We appear to be living in an age where homosexuality is being openly promoted and encouraged...standing on principal for rights is laudable.
In your face , I take it up the bum campness in the media and I want to adopt kids like toy's (Elton John) demands is something society should object to.

I find it admirable that society has removed the sexist & racist ideology from TV media like sitcoms from the 70's.....but totally obnoxious to find it replaced with openly gay and camp TV presenters/celebrities making rude and disgusting innuendo at every opportunity.

Society may have a more relaxed attitude now but instead of embracing such social acceptance and law ..it is being openly abused.

1. If you think this is a "children's game" in any way shape or form you need to get your head checked. 

2. Now you're making personaly jabs at the writers and developers? Nice. The sexuality of the devs is both irrelevant and none of your business.

[Edli]

philbo1965uk wrote...

Putting homosexual content in a childrens game/story should be frowned upon.It's motive is political .

This game is not for childrens. It's rated M. Only because a product is a video game doesn't mean is for kids.