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[FellowerOfOdin]

Fidget6 wrote...


Ah, and then you added about the most immature comment you could have. 

Weren't you the guy who asked other to be more open-minded? Hyprocrit much?

[_- Songlian -]

klmg8 wrote...

I don't think there is a straight person in DA2 they're all horny bisexuals.

This. I'm still fairly early in the game, and yet I cannot help wondering, "My God, is everyone in Kirkwall gay, but me?" 

K12aze wrote...

I'm at a loss here.....are people that insecure with thier own sexuality that a video game char makeing a pass at them ( that can be deflected and not brought up again ) totally ruins the game for them?

It's not that. It's the simple fact that if gay or bi players of the game are served properly, why not the straight ones as well? I'm certanly not a designer, but the way I see things, there should be balance in everything, including sexual orientation. I know that BioWare is just trying to please everyone, I know that whatever they will do, players will still want more, and I am sympathetic to that dilemma. It's just that sometimes you've got to own up the fact that you can't please everyone, and then follow the more reasonable thing to do. In my opinion, making every romanceable companion bi is not it.  

Those are my thoughts on the matter. It's certainly not ruining my walkthrough or anything, but is is rather disappointing at this point. 

Modifié par - Songlian -, 17 mars 2011 - 10:44 .

[Shockwave Pulsar]

[quote]Dr. Impossible wrote...

[quote]Balthamoss wrote...

This nonsense just shows that you couldn't find an argument for your response. 'Homophobic' and 'troll' are nonsense words ? Wut ? How ? What exactly is a nonsense word ? Go buy a dictionary, you will find that those words have a fairly specific meaning...[/quote]
As I posted earlier...:
[quote]The definition of homophobia: Any opinion that is negative towards, or critical of, homosexuality or homosexuals.
The definition of troll: A person expressing an opinion you don't like.

Essentially,
calling someone a homophobe or troll is equivalent to calling them a
poopyhead. You are not really saying anything at all when you use those
words.[/quote]

Uhm, no, a troll is someone who only participates in online discussions to start arguments and flaming and not to normally discuss with others. It has nothing to do with not liking an opinion.
Homophobia is an irrational disgust and fear towards homosexuality

[quote]Dr. Impossible wrote...
[quote]That's like saying I don't like Japanese, only Chinese, so Chinese should be removed from the game...[/quote]
Yes, it's exactly like that.

[quote]You don't like it, good for you. Other people do, it's there for them, not for you, it's optional. The game is not designed to specifically suit your own individual tastes and dislikes. You can easily find out about the optional content before you buy, so if you don't want it don't do the optional gay content or don't buy the game.[/quote]
"If you don't like it, don't play it." What an original argument.
[/quote]

But that's exactly how it is. It's OPTIONAL for a demographic you don't belong to. Don't want a same sex romance ? Then don't choose the heart icons and let those who want it, it doesn't change any other aspect of the game. It's only there if you actively choose to have it. Should everything you like and I don't be removed from the game, even if it would never affect my experience unless I actively choose it ?

Modifié par Balthamoss, 17 mars 2011 - 10:45 .

[lostspline]

Dr. Impossible wrote...

lostspline wrote...
I would if they went to restaurants to register their disgust that fruit salad is on the menu.

I see. And what does this have to do with anything we're talking about?

People are complaining about "gay" content in the game (i.e., "I don't like gay content because I just don't like it.").  They don't have to experience it but the fact that it is in the game taints it for them.  Like, fruit salad on the menu. 

[FellowerOfOdin]

lostspline wrote...

People are complaining about "gay" content in the game (i.e., "I don't like gay content because I just don't like it.").  They don't have to experience it but the fact that it is in the game taints it for them.  Like, fruit salad on the menu. 

Yeah, and Anders totally does not hit on you without any previous signs of interest in him...oh wait!

[Aidunno]

philbo1965uk wrote...

Putting homosexual content in a childrens game/story should be frowned upon.It's motive is political .

Funny, my game cover had a red sticker saying "USK ab 18" which generally means for over 18's over so what is your point.

ESRB summises:



This is an action-adventure role-playing game in which players assume
the role of a warrior who completes quests in a mythical land. Players
use swords, bows and arrows, and magical spells (e.g., fireballs, energy
beams) to defeat human-like enemies and fantasy creatures (e.g., giant
spiders, demons, ogres, golems).



Attacks are often accompanied by slashing sounds, large explosions, and
cries of pain. Blood splatter effects occur when enemies are hit, and
damage sometimes results in dismemberment or decapitation-blood stains
and body parts occasionally appear in the environment.



In one cutscene, a man's severed head is held up then tossed to the
ground. During the course of the game, characters sometimes engage in
sexual dialogue (e.g., "Why is it always about sex with you?" and
"Sailing is like sex. Do it wrong, and it'll make you sick."). Players
can also initiate brief cutscene sequences in which couples (male-female
or same-sex) are shown kissing and embracing one another in a bedroom
as the screen fades to black.



In one cutscene, a woman kneels in front of a male character and appears
to perform fellatio-there is no depiction of the sex act; the camera
pans out to the rest of the room. The words "a*s," "bastard," and "sh*t"
appear in dialogue.

[Fidget6]

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

Fidget6 wrote...


Ah, and then you added about the most immature comment you could have. 

Weren't you the guy who asked other to be more open-minded? Hyprocrit much?

How was that hypocritical? I criticized your comment for being about the most close-minded thing you could say (lesbians are okay, gay guys are a no-no) and asked someone else to be open-minded. 

[philbo1965uk]

Fidget6 wrote...

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

Fidget6 wrote...


Ah, and then you added about the most immature comment you could have. 

Weren't you the guy who asked other to be more open-minded? Hyprocrit much?

How was that hypocritical? I criticized your comment for being about the most close-minded thing you could say (lesbians are okay, gay guys are a no-no) and asked someone else to be open-minded. 

Please explain how this is close- minded.

To a large percentage of straight males there is no 'YUK'  factor to girl on girl .That's very open minded.
 
Male on male is about as repulsive as beastiality to a straight male..Modern society is generally open minded and accepts homosexuality....It's wholly improper to accuse someone of being close-minded because they object to penis up your bum in games.

Modifié par philbo1965uk, 17 mars 2011 - 11:00 .

[Nightshade IX]

I'm a celibate male gamer. I hope Bioware will cater to minorities like me in their next game.

[Dr. Impossible]

Fidget6 wrote...

The part about the girls not fitting your tastes is completely understandable and valid. The rest just seems like a bunch of bigoted bs in my opinion.

"Bigoted" does not mean anything. It's a nonsense word.

Ah, and then you added about the most immature comment you could have.

What is immature about his comment?

Balthamoss wrote...

Uhm, no, a troll is someone who only
participates in online discussions to start arguments and flaming and
not to normally discuss with others. It has nothing to do with not
liking an opinion.

In modern usage troll has no other meaning than the one I described.

Homophobia is an irrational disgust and fear towards homosexuality

Then why doesn't anyone use the word in accordance with this definition?

lostspline wrote...

People are complaining about "gay"
content in the game (i.e., "I don't like gay content because I just
don't like it.").  They don't have to experience it but the fact that it
is in the game taints it for them.  Like, fruit salad on the
menu.

A more accurate analogy would be that the fruit salad contains an ingredient that the person doesn't like.

[Fidget6]

- Songlian - wrote...

klmg8 wrote...

I don't think there is a straight person in DA2 they're all horny bisexuals.

This. I'm still fairly early in the game, and yet I cannot help wondering, "My God, is everyone in Kirkwall gay, but me?" 

K12aze wrote...

I'm at a loss here.....are people that insecure with thier own sexuality that a video game char makeing a pass at them ( that can be deflected and not brought up again ) totally ruins the game for them?

It's not that. It's the simple fact that if gay or bi players of the game are served properly, why not the straight ones as well? I'm certanly not a designer, but the way I see things, there should be balance in everything, including sexual orientation. I know that BioWare is just trying to please everyone, I know that whatever they will do, players will still want more, and I am sympathetic to that dilemma. It's just that sometimes you've got to own up the fact that you can't please everyone, and then follow the more reasonable thing to do. In my opinion, making every romanceable companion bi is not it.  

Those are my thoughts on the matter. It's certainly not ruining my walkthrough or anything, but is is rather disappointing at this point. 

@FellowerofOdin:

See, this is how you would argue your point in an OPEN-MINDED manner. See the difference? Bravo -Songlian- for being mature.

Modifié par Fidget6, 17 mars 2011 - 10:50 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

And this 1% of gamers nonsense is bullshlt.  According to the ESA, 40% of gamers are women.

According to BioWare's own statistics (IIRC) only 20% of ME2 players ever bothered with playing as Femshep.

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

Various studies put the percentage of homosexuals among the population at 1 in 10 to 1 in 20.

I can't really say anything about ladies, but 1 in 20 males homosexual? You need to hit yourself on the head if you think it can be true.

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

Makes sense for Bioware to try to tap those markets, in addition to targeting straight men.  And marketing savvy is neither a liberal nor conservative concept.

Tapping in those markets is risky, becasue it may be aversive to other markets... of which this thread is a sign.

[FellowerOfOdin]

philbo1965uk wrote...

Fidget6 wrote...

EDIT:

I am fine with f/f romances as they are attractive to watch even for a straight man, but m/m romances / advances etc. are a no-no.

Ah, and then you added about the most immature comment you could have. 

Please explain ?

Not being gay obviously means being close-minded...if you have a very narrow mind.

[Fidget6]

Dr. Impossible wrote...

What is immature about his comment?

"Lesbians are hawt, gay guys are icky, ewwww!"

That mentality is immature. 

[lostspline]

FellowerOfOdin wrote...
Yeah, and Anders totally does not hit on you without any previous signs of interest in him...oh wait!

I didn't notice any unprovoked flirting from the companions except Isabella.  So, it must not be too obvious.

[FellowerOfOdin]

You obviously have no idea of what you say...you just claimed that open-minded means agreeing with you thus...you seem to be the close-minded guy here.

[Fidget6]

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

philbo1965uk wrote...

Fidget6 wrote...

EDIT:

I am fine with f/f romances as they are attractive to watch even for a straight man, but m/m romances / advances etc. are a no-no.

Ah, and then you added about the most immature comment you could have. 

Please explain ?

Not being gay obviously means being close-minded...if you have a very narrow mind.

Oh come now, don't even play that card. I've explained numerous times, go back and read if you care to.

[Fidget6]

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

You obviously have no idea of what you say...you just claimed that open-minded means agreeing with you thus...you seem to be the close-minded guy here.

No, I quoted someone who did NOT agree with me and admitted he/she was very open-minded. How about you read more carefully next time.

[Dr. Impossible]

Fidget6 wrote...

"Lesbians are hawt, gay guys are icky, ewwww!"

That mentality is immature.

How? Seems like a simple sexual preference to me.

[FellowerOfOdin]

Fidget6 wrote...

Dr. Impossible wrote...

What is immature about his comment?

"Lesbians are hawt, gay guys are icky, ewwww!"

That mentality is immature.

Good sir, if you are serious about that comment, I'd highly recommend seeing a doctor / looking for a job that does not require any complex thinking. You obviously seem to be unable to understand basic words in the English language, so checking a dictionary might prove being useful.

Dr. Impossible wrote...

Fidget6 wrote...

"Lesbians are hawt, gay guys are icky, ewwww!"

That mentality is immature.

How? Seems like a simple sexual preference to me.

No, he is right. All straight people are close-minded, the only true men are gay. Obviously.

Modifié par FellowerOfOdin, 17 mars 2011 - 10:54 .

[Fidget6]

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

Fidget6 wrote...

Dr. Impossible wrote...

What is immature about his comment?

"Lesbians are hawt, gay guys are icky, ewwww!"

That mentality is immature.

Good sir, if you are serious about that comment, I'd highly recommend seeing a doctor / looking for a job that does not require any complex thinking. You obviously seem to be unable to understand basic words in the English language, so checking a dictionary might prove being useful.

Dr. Impossible wrote...

Fidget6 wrote...

"Lesbians are hawt, gay guys are icky, ewwww!"

That mentality is immature.

How? Seems like a simple sexual preference to me.

No, he is right. All straight people are close-minded, the only true men are gay. Obviously.

Seriously, WHAT are you talking about? I'm not going to explain myself once again. You're obviously clueless. Unless you think straight=ignorant homophobe.

[Drake Sigar]

Fidget6 wrote...

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

Fidget6 wrote...


Ah, and then you added about the most immature comment you could have. 

Weren't you the guy who asked other to be more open-minded? Hyprocrit much?

How was that hypocritical? I criticized your comment for being about the most close-minded thing you could say (lesbians are okay, gay guys are a no-no) and asked someone else to be open-minded. 

Perhaps he could have phrased it better, but there’s nothing wrong with a straight male gamer liking F/F romances and disliking M/M. I’m not against homosexuality. I’m just not attracted to men, therefore I don’t want to be hit on by men. It’s really that simple. I am attracted to women, therefore I don’t have the same problem with F/F romances.
Gay romances should be included in the game, but they should be unique to a character instead of interchangeable.

Modifié par Drake Sigar, 17 mars 2011 - 10:57 .

[Vilegrim]

David Gaider wrote...

mordarwarlock wrote...
why david?....just....why?

twilight romance and everything regarding that book is everything but well done, it appealed to the common lowest denominator, teenage prepubescent girls, which is good "for the book", but that's not your core demographic, not it will ever be

Who said it was? Did I?

The book set out to appeal to a particular group. It did that well. I tried to get through it, mostly out of curiosity's sake, but it's not for me. That said, only a presumptuous fool would believe there's nothing to be learned in how it managed to do what it did. I look to a lot of sources to figure out what they did right and what they did wrong, and what lessons can be learned from them. That's why I play many RPG's, as well.

much like Call of Duty FPS fans were never, ever, your audience when you made DA:O, not they will never, ever be, even if you lower the game standards with DA 2 to appeal to an audience that never cared for your games, nor the genre itself, and they never will

Well, with fans like these, who could ask for more, right?

You're making some assumptions that I'm not going to argue with. You're free to go ahead thinking them, if you like, I just prefer that people don't stick words in my mouth.

to be honest it does feel like action got turned up to 11 and rpg got turned down to about 5, the vaunted choices and growth of the world either don't make a difference or don't actually happen at all.   Enjoyed the game but the RPG side felt weak.

[Aidunno]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

Various studies put the percentage of homosexuals among the population at 1 in 10 to 1 in 20.

I can't really say anything about ladies, but 1 in 20 males homosexual? You need to hit yourself on the head if you think it can be true.

I think it's not a question of full, outright homosexuality. It also includes those who are bisexual and also those who "fantasize" without any intention of going any further.