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[the_one_54321]

dmhalsey wrote...
No this is more like you order a cheeseburger and they tell you for a little extra they can add bacon to your cheeseburger. And then apparently you scream and cry like a little girl sayong your cheeseburger should come with bacon at the same price. GROW UP!!! They have said repeatedly that wardens keep was not meant to be part of the original game it was always meant to be DLC. Shale was meant to be part of the original but was cut do to not enough time so when they got it done they added it for free.

first off, you're a jerk. either that or your like 15 or 16 and dont know how to be polite, or how to provide information without also being a jerk in the process.

second, this is the first i have heard of Shale being added for free. the explantion i read, and this was a long winded explanation of the whole design process given by one of the developers, made it sound as thought you would have to pay to download Shale.

if Shale is free then i take back a lot of what i said previously. that's more or less ok.

i still am not in favor the DLC model itself. i'd prefer they packaed it all together and offered it as an expansion. the fact that the DLC is available on day 1 is still something that makes me feel mildly insulted.

[Tyler_Aus]

the_one_54321 wrote...
I’d say it’s more like being told you were going to get a bacon cheeseburger. Then they tell you the recipe has been redone and you’re just getting a hamburger. Then they tell you that you can have the bacon and cheese added on at extra expense if you wish.

Granted the cheese and bacon is a much large difference to the burger than this content is for the game. But similarly, I’d just tell them no thank you, I’ll just buy a cheeseburger from a company gives me a cheeseburger the next time I’m hungry.

I wasn't saying I wasn't already ordering a bacon cheese burger I was. The added cheese and bacon are only for my enjoyment, not because they are necessary to make it a bacon cheesburger. But still if I want more of what is already there... you pay for it.... 

Also look at what I said before the anaology, that is more my point than anything.

[CJohnJones]

Stone Keep costs less than a movie for one. It provides a couple of hours of entertainment, more than many movies this year. EA has every right to make some extra stuff and sell it to you (or not as you choose).



The buyers of this game either own decent computers or game consoles. How can you afford those if the cost of DLC isn't trivial to you? Except kids, of course.

[Taltherion]

second, this is the first i have heard of Shale being added for free. the explantion i read, and this was a long winded explanation of the whole design process given by one of the developers, made it sound as thought you would have to pay to download Shale.

if Shale is free then i take back a lot of what i said previously. that's more or less ok.

i still am not in favor the DLC model itself. i'd prefer they packaed it all together and offered it as an expansion. the fact that the DLC is available on day 1 is still something that makes me feel mildly insulted.

Shale is indeed free if you buy a new copy of DAO.

[the_one_54321]

SunKilMoon wrote...
Except you sound more like a whiny know it all whereas the OP sounded respectable and smart

BS. the only reason you say that is because the OP turned around and agreed with you.

i dont like DLC. end of story.

and since i dont like it people like you are going to call me whiney and all other manner of insulting fare. how about you guys grow up? how about all of you who respond with variations on "whiny this" or "shut up and take it" and "i dont mind paying the developer extra so neither should you" learn to respond with a little respect and polite language. it's not that hard. someone managed to do exactly that not that many posts ago.

now, something was just brought to my attention that i had missed. it was brought to my attention by a jerk, which is unfortunate, but still it has caused me to redirect my argument. i suggest you take a look.

[SunKilMoon]

the_one_54321 wrote...

dmhalsey wrote...
No this is more like you order a cheeseburger and they tell you for a little extra they can add bacon to your cheeseburger. And then apparently you scream and cry like a little girl sayong your cheeseburger should come with bacon at the same price. GROW UP!!! They have said repeatedly that wardens keep was not meant to be part of the original game it was always meant to be DLC. Shale was meant to be part of the original but was cut do to not enough time so when they got it done they added it for free.

first off, you're a jerk. either that or your like 15 or 16 and dont know how to be polite, or how to provide information without also being a jerk in the process.

second, this is the first i have heard of Shale being added for free. the explantion i read, and this was a long winded explanation of the whole design process given by one of the developers, made it sound as thought you would have to pay to download Shale.

if Shale is free then i take back a lot of what i said previously. that's more or less ok.

i still am not in favor the DLC model itself. i'd prefer they packaed it all together and offered it as an expansion. the fact that the DLC is available on day 1 is still something that makes me feel mildly insulted.

First off---read my post that I just made before this one--since you seem to only read what you want to argue against

Second--You have the same mentality of 90% of the people who complain about the DLC, being that they DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW IT WORKS FIRST.  Case in point, not knowing that you will get Shale for free just for getting a new copy, that was stated pretty clearly all over the place--but you seemed to ignore it and immediately start complaining about having to pay for Shale.

My advice, you need to read more and talk less.  Preferable the first two pages of this thread, thoroughly.  If that still doesn't give you some insight, nothing will--you are probably just too stubborn.

And you have no right telling anyone else that they are a jerk, the whole first bunch of posts you made in this thread were hostile when they didn't need to be.

[SheffSteel]

I'd be willing to put money on Warden's Keep having been finished months ago. They held it back, in other words, until the main game was ready. Asking Bioware to delay its release further would be asking them to hurt themselves financially for no good reason.

[the_one_54321]

SunKilMoon wrote...
And you have no right telling anyone else that they are a jerk, the whole first bunch of posts you made in this thread were hostile when they didn't need to be.

no one has the right to call me a whiny little girl. either that or i have the right to call him a jerk.

not to mention that i responded to your other post a little earlier.

in all seriousness, you and that other guy are a couple of jerks. it's ok to disagree about something. for all your complaining about the argument, all you have to do is say "i disagree because of this" and then leave it at that. instead what you've kept doing is resorting to name calling, using insulting condescending language, and more or less just behaving like [donkeys].

if you'd just be less acrimonious this entire argument (which some of you have complained about) would not have happened this way to begin with.

Modifié par the_one_54321, 29 octobre 2009 - 07:45 .

[Tyler_Aus]

I should have never made the cheeseburger analogy. Now it is turning into Burger King and getting Flamed.... plus now I'm hungry.

[SunKilMoon]

the_one_54321 wrote...
how about all of you who respond with variations on "whiny this" or "shut up and take it" and "i dont mind paying the developer extra so neither should you" learn to respond with a little respect and polite language.

Hmm..maybe if a lot of people are saying that to you---it's because that's how you come off as--

There are many people who have worded themselves a lot better with their gripes on DLC, I didn't see any of that coming from you

From you all I saw was that you had no real knowledge on the subject at hand, but were complaining out of principle only-- you just don't like DLC..that's it..nothing will change your mind..you don't like it.

That type of closed minded attitude deserves such backlash

[invert180]

This is the way I see it: DLC is merely extra content on top of hours upon hours of already existing content. Those who are against this, you can do something simple and not purchase it. Those interested in getting extra content and supporting a great developer can also do something simple... you can purchase it.



You guys have to remember that DAO was supposed to be released on the PC in the first quarter of this year. The game was pretty much complete, and they were busy at work fixing up the console versions. But due to EA wanting a large advertising push for DAO on all platforms at the same time (Xbox 360, PS3, and the PC), they pushed the release date way back to some time in October/November of 2009.



All the while, a separate team working on DLC slaved away, creating more content for the game. They deserve to be paid for their time spent. Yet, Warden's Keep will be the only DLC that isn't coming free of charge.



You know what they could have done if they really wanted to be shady about this whole situation? They could have held back news on the completed DLC. They could have waited for a month or two after DAO's release, then announce that they've completed the first batch of DLC. No one would have been the wiser, they would have taken far less flak, and would have made more money too. But no, Bioware has been absolutely honest and upfront with what they're doing. It's rather unfortunate the amount of crap they're taking for being such upstanding people.



Way to reward them, folks.

[SunKilMoon]

My main problem with you, and why I responded so harshly---Is because if you read the first 2 pages on the thread, the OP and posters had a great discussion on the topic at hand, and came to a resolution.



Immediately after that resolution was made, you started posting from square one, you posted as if you had never read the rest of the thread, and instead you wanted to derail the topic as your own.



And the lack of knowledge even showed later when you admitted to not knowing how the DLC worked, and how much of it was actually free for just buying a new copy.



Every day there are new forum posts talking about how someone doesn't like DLC, and all of them are the same, from people who don't even KNOW how it all works

[LevitasVeneficus]

siodine wrote...

I have been a Bioware fan since I started playing video games. Back before I eeven payed attention to who developed a game, I played through MDK in my first all nighter to beat a game. I've loved every game since, especially Baldurs Gate 2. I played that game for as long as most people play MMORPG. You could say I wore the tires out on it. They make exceptional games and despite spending less and less time gaming, I continue to buy every game they pump out, sometimes on multiple systems eventually. So know I am coming from a place of love. I have been looking forward to Dragon Age for what seems like forever. I still am. But...

Coming out with a game and not including all the ready content in the box is disrepectful to fans. Bioware has got to get paid, and they deserve to, I recognize this.  I recognize the gaming industry has changed and long development times on giant games wont pay the bills. There will never again be a BG2:SOA. But these two DLC packs being avaliable at release yet not being included in the game is a line that should not be crossed.

If I buy a game, give me the whole thing. If the content could be created during intial development, put it in. 50-60 dollars is to much money to pay for an incomplete game. I dont know the prices on the DLC but I am willing to bet that it will push the cost of the game somewhere between 60-70 dollars. This is unacceptable!
Now I know the game by itself will be a game worth the money, and not lacking in any way. But this content is ready! Sure they could just hold it a month and not talk about it and then I would be none the wiser and just happy for more of a game I probably will have already beaten twice, but be it in a month or now, it just seems...dishonest....exploitive of current gaming trends. I am a huge fan and I will always support them, but for the first time ever I am really disappointed with Bioware. I would like to blame it on the whole EA thing, but I know its just a sign of the times. Talk about a disappointing first step into what I am sure will become a cash cow of practices in the gaming industry. Worst of all my first bitter taste of what is to come is delievered by my favorite developer, the one that has recieved more of my money already than any other group of fantastic gaming profesionals.

Please Bioware, explain it to me

John Schwarting - RL
Lanen - Baldurs Gate Series and NWN
Boff Moffet - KoTor
Wang - Jade Empire
John Shepard - Mass Effect

Well, honestly I cannot say I've read all of the posts but I believe I saw a response to this complaint once that stated "I don't mind paying the extra cash for DLC or a CE because of the time and money Bioware put into this game it's our job as gamers to support a company we love, also paying for the DLC is OPTIONAL! it will ensure (hopefully) that they will continue to put out more DLC which is of course fantastic" This I agree with, at the very least the game itself without DLC is probably worth 60-70 easily. 

P.S. Whoever I stole that quote from (don't remember your handle) since I didn't read all of the posts ""ninja'd""??

[MrGOH]

Shorter The_One:

Bioware are a bunch of liars, but they make good games.

Modifié par MrGOH, 29 octobre 2009 - 07:43 .

[JackDresden]

I'm a supporter of DLC in general and don't really mind about release day DLC so long as the game is good value.



What I object to and the reason I will not be buying Wardens keep or any future DLC released in the concept that the main game will contain NPCs who I can engage in conversation and will give the impression A DLC quest is part of the game I already bought, up until the point I agree to the quest then tell me I need to download and pay for it if I want to actually do it.



That for me is dishonest (a sales pitch disguised as part of my game), makes the game incomplete because it partially puts the DLC in the main game e.g. the quest giver & will then break my immersion to do a financial transaction with EA.



I really am truly shocked a company like Bioware has done this even if they are in a publication deal with EA.

[the_one_54321]

MrGOH wrote...

Shorter The_One:

Bioware are a bunch of liars, but they make good games.

that's waaaaaaaay harsher than i worded it. but, with much less ire, this is about how i see it. and im not going to buy the DLC.

[Tyler_Aus]

Did I miss something?



Is there parts of the game, that is shipping, that refers to DLC that you have to pay for?



If that is true, then I would agree with the OP and take back what I said about their development cycle. That's just plain dirty.

[Taltherion]

As far as I understand, there is an NPC in game who will - totally in character - start a questline ... and then if you agree to do the quest send you on the a DLC screen where you purchase Warden's Keep (if you have not done so already, then he will simply give you the quest).

[Elvhen Veluthil]

JackDresden wrote...

I really am truly shocked a company like Bioware has done this even if they are in a publication deal with EA.

The company belongs to EA, it's not that EA is just the publisher of the game.

[Tyler_Aus]

Taltherion wrote...

As far as I understand, there is an NPC in game who will - totally in character - start a questline ... and then if you agree to do the quest send you on the a DLC screen where you purchase Warden's Keep (if you have not done so already, then he will simply give you the quest).

If that is true, then I do take back what I said that is dirty!

[MrGOH]

the_one_54321 wrote...

MrGOH wrote...

Shorter The_One:

Bioware are a bunch of liars, but they make good games.

that's waaaaaaaay harsher than i worded it. but, with much less ire, this is about how i see it. and im not going to buy the DLC.

The shorter format cuts out the niceities, I admit.

And although I disagree with you on some specifics, I think your method of protest is exactly right - buy the big game you like to demonstrate there is demand and avoid DLC you don't like so you don't encourage them to make more.

[the_one_54321]

Tyler_Aus wrote...

Taltherion wrote...

As far as I understand, there is an NPC in game who will - totally in character - start a questline ... and then if you agree to do the quest send you on the a DLC screen where you purchase Warden's Keep (if you have not done so already, then he will simply give you the quest).

If that is true, then I do take back what I said that is dirty!

it's true. one of the quest givers in the game will offer to sell you the DLC in some way.

[FlintlockJazz]

JackDresden wrote...

I'm a supporter of DLC in general and don't really mind about release day DLC so long as the game is good value.

What I object to and the reason I will not be buying Wardens keep or any future DLC released in the concept that the main game will contain NPCs who I can engage in conversation and will give the impression A DLC quest is part of the game I already bought, up until the point I agree to the quest then tell me I need to download and pay for it if I want to actually do it.

That for me is dishonest (a sales pitch disguised as part of my game), makes the game incomplete because it partially puts the DLC in the main game e.g. the quest giver & will then break my immersion to do a financial transaction with EA.

I really am truly shocked a company like Bioware has done this even if they are in a publication deal with EA.

I agree 100% with this.  Makes me wonder if, when patching the game in the future they will add more ingame 'merchants' like this as well.  I do not like having it forced on me, it's like having a shop attendant come up to you after you have left the store and gone home to sell me what looks like a missing piece to the product he sold me earlier.

[Tyler_Aus]

Just FMI, where, and how do you know this? (Please don't say cause some website reported it)

[JackDresden]

Tyler_Aus wrote...

Did I miss something?

Is there parts of the game, that is shipping, that refers to DLC that you have to pay for?

If that is true, then I would agree with the OP and take back what I said about their development cycle. That's just plain dirty.

Yes and I'm not shocked you missed it other than a thread on the other forum before it closed this hasn't been mentioned much for some reason.

There will be some NPCs in the game that like every other NPC you can talk to, they will tell you about a quest like any other NPC. When you Accept the quest if you haven't already bought and installed the DLC in question it will tell you that the actual content of the quest you just took is not in the game but is instead DLC. It will take you to a screen to buy the DLC....What happens if you don't want to we don't 100% no but I assume you can cancel the quest and get on with the game.

Bioware tell us this is a wonderful new innovation we they are trying in the game, that it doesn't in anway make the game incomplete (despite the obvious logic it means there is in fact the quest giver in the game without the quest), then the tell us it's silly of any of us to find this objectionable without first having run into it in the game, for some reason they don't think we can imagine how this affects the game.