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[OCD Skifer]

 I was looking over the story for the game, and I came across this as a possibility. Here are the facts so far.

1) she can be in more then 1 place at a time/Sepperate her soul into more then one piece

2) she Is not A Human, Elf, Qunari, Demon( or " Spirit " ), Dwarf or Darkspawn.

3) The only Known beings who are known to have been able to change into dragons were the " Old Gods"

4) Morigans Statements from  the Witch hunt DLC about Flemeth.

5) The fact that she had a very hyped, but short apearence, In Dragon Age 2 and every single trailor, along with her talking so bloody much and getting so much attention from Bioware.

6) She is CENTURIES old.

7) And she knows of magics Noboddy else does. ( ehh, kinda a weak fact, but plausable )



So, if you have something to add, or retort with, please do so, im Curious as to opinions, and no, i didnt look through the forums to see if this has come up or been suggested yet. LOL.

[Chozos]

Admittedly I have been pondering this lately as well. It is quite possible. However we do know that Flemeth made a deal with a demon (possibly something we havent seen yet) to live virtually forever, not to mention more power. Its hard to say what she is outside of complicated.

The argument of her magics I would not use personally, when your older than just about everyone out there your going to know a few old tricks.

[Boradam]

I doubt it, though I personally think she can command Darkspawn.

[UltiPup]

Boradam wrote...

I doubt it, though I personally think she can command Darkspawn.

At every turn, she has shown she wants the Darkspawn gone as much as the next person. She doesn't have any ties to the darkspawn or Blight. If we could confirm that the Old Gods were more than just dragons, then she could possibly be one. But, so far, its hard to pinpoint what she could be. It has to be something grander.

[Bonny_Hydra]

Was I the only one who thought of a DA2/Harry Potter crossover when Merrill did the ceremony for the amulet?

A piece of herself? Flemeth has been making horcruxes for how long? *hopes she wasn't the only one*

But on a series note, I don't know if she's a big part of the story or just a tool ( in a literary sense) to make the whole series narrative legitimate. She is a rather large part of Morrigan and ultimately DAO in terms of the story. If she didn't show up in DA2 then there wouldn't likely be a Hawke in Kirkwall. Don't know how she'll be used in the future installments of the series.

Then again she simply could be the "Deus ex Machina" to move the narrative along.

[UltiPup]

I don't think the amulet was like a horcrux. I was led to believe it held a physical essence of her. Its not made clear, but I always assumed that.

Flemeth's part in the story is big. She essentially is the only reason why ANY of it happened. Flemeth saved both Warden and Hawke. She did it for a purpose. She is going to use them for something. Does this make Flemeth actually a good guy? Or is she a villain? We really have no reason to think of her as either one. All we know is Flemeth is something we cannot comprehend.

[panamakira]

Well I think we can assume that if Morrigan's story isn't over, the Warden's might not be over and so is Flemeth's. Assuming your Warden didn't do the US. I always thought those were tied together. Is this expansion pack material or DA3?

I can't say where Hawke fits in but Flemeth seems to be the common factor tying in the stories.

[OCD Skifer]

No if you read the codexes, you will see that The Archdemons, Origenaly were mages that could change into dragons, before the curse or w/e...and SHE can turn into a dragon, its extremely plausable.

[Shepard Lives]

No Flemeth, you are the demons.

And then Flemeth was a Shade.

[Pelleoan]

Based on the story that Merril told, I think it's possible that Flemeth could be the "Trickster Wolf" that gets the spirits and such sealed away.

[The Night Haunter]

She is Fen'Harel not an archdemon. Silly

[Jaldaen]

She's Fen'Harel... that's my guess and I'm sticking to it... until proven wrong.

[Blacklash93]

OCD Skifer wrote...

3) The only Known beings who are known to have been able to change into dragons were the " Old Gods"

The Old Gods are only known as dragons and nothing else. There's not a shred of evidence they are anything but dragons.

[UltiPup]

I have to go by that Fen'Harel is described as male kinda proves that it isn't Flemeth. If a Keeper's job is to keep the Dread Wolf away from her clan, why would she willingly revive Flemeth?

[Blacklash93]

OCD Skifer wrote...

No if you read the codexes, you will see that The Archdemons, Origenaly were mages that could change into dragons, before the curse or w/e...and SHE can turn into a dragon, its extremely plausable.

No. The Old Gods were not simply mages. If they took any form other than dragons, we have no idea what that is.

As it stands right now, however, the Old Gods are known just to be ancient dragons capable of magic.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 18 mars 2011 - 10:25 .

[Blacklash93]

OCD Skifer wrote...


6) She is CENTURIES old.

The Old Gods are MUCH older than that.  They're at least thousands of years old.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 18 mars 2011 - 10:27 .

[Crippledcarny]

Blacklash93 wrote...

OCD Skifer wrote...

No if you read the codexes, you will see that The Archdemons, Origenaly were mages that could change into dragons, before the curse or w/e...and SHE can turn into a dragon, its extremely plausable.

No. The Old Gods were not simply mages. If they took any form other than dragons, we have no idea what that is.

As it stands right now, however, the Old Gods are just ancient dragons capable of magic.

If I'm not mistaken, they are believed to be very large dragons that the old mages would try and speak too, which would but them in contact with very powerful demons, who would teach them blood magic. Making it seem to them that it was the dragons, or old gods, who had given them this gift. I believe it's talked about in the collectors edition of the DA:O guide.

[Blacklash93]

UltiPup wrote...

Boradam wrote...

I doubt it, though I personally think she can command Darkspawn.

At every turn, she has shown she wants the Darkspawn gone as much as the next person. She doesn't have any ties to the darkspawn or Blight. If we could confirm that the Old Gods were more than just dragons, then she could possibly be one. But, so far, its hard to pinpoint what she could be. It has to be something grander.

What makes you think Flemeth's dragon form isn't her true appearance?

- When she turns into human form in the beginning, you can see her put effort into it, like she's summoning mana. When she turns into a dragon, she just has to stand still in one place. Make of that what you will.

- In the Uthenera ritual, you see the dragon visage circling her again as she reappears like it did when she turned into a human in Lothering.

- Who puts dragon horns in their hair?

Modifié par Blacklash93, 18 mars 2011 - 10:38 .

[Eshaye]

Pelleoan wrote...

Based on the story that Merril told, I think it's possible that Flemeth could be the "Trickster Wolf" that gets the spirits and such sealed away.

No. They would have called her by the Wolf's name and being very wary or just downright hostile. But they treat her with awed respect and some fear. They have a name for her that seems ancient and is similar to Flemeth but isn't. Asha Belasomething, her name is tied to fire which to me gives indication she could be an Old God. 

Another thing she says to Hawke. She tells Hawke to leap and fly like a dragon, and then laughs and tells Hawke they can NEVER be a dragon... Hmmmm.. 


edit: more on her name: Asha is Woman in elvish, and bel means many. Woman of many ..... I can't remember the rest of her name! 
edit2: Woman of many years. That's a let down. :/ 

Modifié par Eshaye, 18 mars 2011 - 10:45 .

[Blacklash93]

Crippledcarny wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

OCD Skifer wrote...

No if you read the codexes, you will see that The Archdemons, Origenaly were mages that could change into dragons, before the curse or w/e...and SHE can turn into a dragon, its extremely plausable.

No. The Old Gods were not simply mages. If they took any form other than dragons, we have no idea what that is.

As it stands right now, however, the Old Gods are just ancient dragons capable of magic.

If I'm not mistaken, they are believed to be very large dragons that the old mages would try and speak too, which would but them in contact with very powerful demons, who would teach them blood magic. Making it seem to them that it was the dragons, or old gods, who had given them this gift. I believe it's talked about in the collectors edition of the DA:O guide.

If you're arguing that the old gods weren't capable of magic, it's pretty much proven that they can.

The Archdemon in Origins uses spells.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 18 mars 2011 - 10:39 .

[Carmen_Willow]

She is definitely "Something Else." I don't think she's a demon from the Fade or a Spirit. She has the Sight - in Origins I can remember her calling Jory a smart lad but sadly irrelevant to the future at hand (predicting his demise), and in the novel, she told Maric something about the future (which was not disclosed to us).

And despite the fact that Morrigan claims that Flemeth is evil.....she has never been so to my characters. She has saved each of them from death (even if it is for her own reasons) and hasn't tried to kill me unless I've tried to kill her first. We know what Morrigan has told us about Flemeth's behavior, but that is hearsay--I cannot attest to it of my own knowledge.

I've always gotten the feeling that she is beyond good and evil....much as any deity is beyond good and evil...of course Bioware will probably prove me wrong in future DA tales, but for the moment, I reserve judgment on Flemeth and her motivations.

[Crippledcarny]

Blacklash93 wrote...

If you're arguing that the old gods weren't capable of magic, it's pretty much proven that they can.

The Archdemon in Origins uses spells.

I'm not arguing anything. Just stating what was in the Travalers guide, which, as it even states, could be wrong. As well no one knows for sure if the Archdemons are even old gods or if the old gods were ever even real. And I wouldn't put to much stock into the Archdemons cast spells there for old gods cast spells. Genlocks can cast them as well but you won't see a dwarf throw a fireball.

[F1relizard]

After Merill's story about the Dread Wolf, I have been pondering as to the possibility of Flemeth being Fen'Harel. It strikes me as being rather impossible, but it is an interesting thought. Though I must say that I laughed for a good minute after seeing Flemeth arise from Merill's ritual, and then I silently congratulated her on being so awesome for having such a plan in place.

[Jaldaen]

I know the Dread Wolf is refered to as a man... but he's also a trickster God... then shapechanging into a woman would be a very good disguise... no one would suspect her... or would it be shim?

[Raiil]

Perhaps she's someone who is as strong as the old gods, or perhaps is one, but an old god who didn't indulge the more evil magics that her compatriots did. Not to say Flemeth is some sort of paragon of goodness or anything, but she might not be evil. She's more like a force of nature.