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[HTTP 404]

just curious and wondered how that looks.  I kind of want a playthrough but Im thinking of making the mage a good diplomatic one (a wimp)

I also want to add that Wynne is the only mage I can think of in the Dragon Age games that is remotely pro-Circle.

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[Marco_Alberts]

Here. Kinda funny sometimes, seeing as you'll start spouting how all mages need to be locked up and whatnot, while you still get the option to say something along the lines of "hey, I'm a bloody mage!" whenever someone else says mages are a problem.

[Arokel]

Silence this traitorous talk! No mage would be a pawn of our jailors!

In all seriousness I did go back and do this. It just didn't feel right.

[sylvanaerie]

I probably can't. but stranger things have happened. From what I understand you can argue with Meredith when you get some mages in the courtyard not to kill them.
Regardless I think you still fight Orsino and Meredith both in the end.

[Marco_Alberts]

You can still be easy on mages, while still being pro Templar...sort of. Sure, you kill most of the circle, but there are opportunities throughout to try to be more reasonable. In Best Served Cold, I think you can save a couple of mages who didn't fight you (though with how often they come back to try and kill you, should you help them, why not just get it over with then?), and you can spare some mages in the Gallows courtyard.

[Troupial]

Obvious spoilers but here are some differences I noticed:

You get some options that mention how Anders tied their fate and how it's best to go through the Rite of Annulment or else the citizens will rise against the mages and cause more casualties.
If you let Anders live he will come back (and fight you) and basically call you a hypocrite for abandoning the mages even though you yourself are an apostate.
You get a star dialog option to remind Meredith that you are a mage and that you helped her get that far. She calls you more clever than Orsino for trying to make it appear to be with the templars just to get some control from within.

[Lianaar]

I just started a mage like that. I am very curious how it'll go.

Reason for a mage not to side with the Templars:
- Meredith is insane
- a single person's act can not be reason for killing all mages
- I am a mage!
- the Tranquile solution
- the possible future of mages: Sarabaas
- the whole situation with the mages was actually a reaction to the Templars' abuse
- even the templars sided with the mages (secret revolution plot)

reasons to side with the Templars
- every mage who you encountered and is cornered turns to blood magic and demons. Not a single time do you see a cutscene, when a mage simply dies without that happening (I would have loved a simple street fight, where this happens too However it seems the mages attacking you on the streets or as slavers or bandits are resistent to Demons)
- your mother was killed by a mage
- your brother is a Templar (unless a Grey Warden)
- Anders did just blow up the Chantry. Consider this: if you support the mages, wether the mages stood for what Anders did or not, matters little. The political message is: you agree with extreme measures and thus many mages will actually do similar steps.
- Not all templars were abusive, some stepped up. But even those who did ended up being tricked by blood mages, which proves there is no chance to work together as friends.

What I do like in DA games is perception: you can validate and justify anything you do, you just need to shift perception. Everyone is both correct and wrong

[Abispa]

I tried to be a pro-Templar mage, but it was too ridiculous to go on for very long, and the conversations with your brother are just bizarre.

[Lithuasil]

Technically (according to Lore(dingscreen), the right of annulment refers to every mage within the city, apostate, circle mage, tevinter ambassador, elven keeper, whatever. Basically, siding with Meredith in the end would mean signing your own death sentence.

[sylvanaerie]

for the whole of the game it's not so strange being a pro-control mage. My apostate had been trained (and trained well by her dad) and she just wanted mages to get training so they aren't a danger to themselves and others. (Feynriel got sent to the Dalish on one of my playthroughs, the Circle on another). It wasn't so much that she hated mages or thought the templars were asses (which a lot of them are) It's just a matter of "I did it this way last time, I'm gonna try it this way this time."
Meredith is a whackjob...she has completely lost it by the end game. But she has also had all her worst fears brought out on display thanks to Anders's bonehead manuever. She's right, people WILL demand retribution for what was a horrible, senseless act of terrorism.
I can see a more militant mage siding with the Templars...I just can't bring myself to go through with Annulment, but I might this playthrough just to see how it differs.

[HTTP 404]

Lithuasil wrote...

Technically (according to Lore(dingscreen), the right of annulment refers to every mage within the city, apostate, circle mage, tevinter ambassador, elven keeper, whatever. Basically, siding with Meredith in the end would mean signing your own death sentence.

obvious spoiler









true but i assume Meredith would make an exception at first then change her mind once ORsino is dealt with.

[BeardedNinja]

I'm playing one right now, so I shall see what happens

[shai-hulud-lama]

i did this. It wasn't a big difference

[Deylar]

Only after Anders did what he did.

[Maria Caliban]

HTTP 404 wrote...

just curious and wondered how that looks.  I kind of want a playthrough but Im thinking of making the mage a good diplomatic one (a wimp)

I also want to add that Wynne is the only mage I can think of in the Dragon Age games that is remotely pro-Circle.

I did just that.

Hawke the champion apostate and her blood mage lover slaughtering innocent mages because she's stupid enough to think she can stop what's coming. Merrill should have told me you can't always put broken things back together again.

[AlexXIV]

I am actually planning to make a bloodmage playthrough and side with templars. Just for the lulz and to see how much Bioware f...ed up. Of course it will be hilarious. But I have made 2 playthroughs already, and found that I have no other reason to do another, since replayablitly somewhat suffers from the fact that you can't really do much different in a new one.

[HolyJellyfish]

I did, but I didn't side with them in the end. Built up quite a rivalry with Merrill & Anders however. But it helped me prevent Fenris & Aveline from leaving my team in the end fight.

Easy to justify, when you think of it in terms of being a very selfish Mage who is only interested in self preservation. I imagine that is why Meredith, Cullen, and all the other templars turn a blind eye, is because one apostate who has a tremendously powerful name and title is pulling in rogue mages like a bat out of hell. Its nice to have friends in high places, including the Champion.

[DRAGON_DARKO]

Its funny how you can learn blood magic and when you use it no one actually says a word about it.

[The Lesser Evil]

I'm considering going this route with my current Mage. Meredith is right in that the people will want retribution, and while he does think Chantry/Templar supervision is too strict, letting the situation in Kirkwall get out of hand would sow the seeds of chaos and fear throughout Thedas, and plunge the entire known world into war. Choosing to side with the Templars might not be what's best in Hawke's own interest, but my Hawke has always been able to see the bigger picture quite clearly.
Could also think up a bunch of scenarios where siding with the Mages is the obvious choice, but I like challenging myself.

[LobselVith8]

Ser Thrask was a good guy and he was a templar. I worked with him (despite being a mage) to resolve the apostate situation. I didn't kill him. I would have sided with his plan for templars and mages to work together because he seemed like a good and trustworthy person, and he seemed to have been doing a good job before Grace lost her frakking mind.

Although the mentions about people not noticing when Hawke does blood magic does make me wonder why nobody notices when he does magic period. Like when an apostate Hawke saves Cullen, for instance. Or should I just imagine I use blood magic to make everyone forget?

[sylvanaerie]

they know you're an apostate, Meredith even mentions in one of her dialogue trees "I have allowed you to walk free..." when you talk with her. Cullen as well. I think not going to Hawke's home and dragging him/her to the Gallows is more a political move than any magnanimous gesture on her part. Hardly do for the very populace she is trying to 'shepard' to have their Champion hauled off to templar jurisdiction. By the end of Act 2 Hawke is very much the leader SHE isn't and you can SEE the seething rage/envy behind her eyes after dealing with the Arishok and saving the nobles and Hawke is declared the city hero.

[LobselVith8]

They know you're an apostate after the Qunari attack, sylvan. It's not really addressed before that, though, which was my point. Since we can save Cullen long before we ever become Champion and even use magic when we first arrive to Kirkwall, I'm surprised it's not really addressed.

[TheCreeper]

Lithuasil wrote...

Technically (according to Lore(dingscreen), the right of annulment refers to every mage within the city, apostate, circle mage, tevinter ambassador, elven keeper, whatever. Basically, siding with Meredith in the end would mean signing your own death sentence.

Well you can go through with an annulment as MAge Warden and the templars never try to off you because of that.

[Lithuasil]

sylvanaerie wrote...

they know you're an apostate, Meredith even mentions in one of her dialogue trees "I have allowed you to walk free..." when you talk with her. Cullen as well. I think not going to Hawke's home and dragging him/her to the Gallows is more a political move than any magnanimous gesture on her part. Hardly do for the very populace she is trying to 'shepard' to have their Champion hauled off to templar jurisdiction. By the end of Act 2 Hawke is very much the leader SHE isn't and you can SEE the seething rage/envy behind her eyes after dealing with the Arishok and saving the nobles and Hawke is declared the city hero.

It's the explanation we're supposed to swallow, but I kind of don't dig that - according to codex, the templars come and take the heirs of thrones or the most powerful noble houses, once magic becomes involved. And I don't quite see how "being somewhat popular at the moment" would defend you from that.
The opportunity missed here is all the bigger since the entire third act would've just as well worked from a circle mages perspective, move the playerhome, harrowing minilevel, change a few cutscenes and you're done.
(In fact, not being dragged of is the single one thing in this game, that annoyed me enough to fix it in fanfiction )

[Adynata]

I'm trying this in my current playthrough, but got totally annoyed when Cullen talked about how awful mages are right in front of my mage, who simply responds with "Mages are people just like you and me." That doesn't make sense o.O