So obviously I'm wondering if Fiona was indeed Alistair's mother. There seems to be quite a divide on the subject. I know in the game it's mentioned his mother was a maid, however that could have obviously been a lie told to him and even Eamon for that matter. It's also possible that no one knew his actual parentage besides Duncan, Maric and Fiona, like Fiona wanted.
I personally believe that she was because number one, I don't think there's another bastard out there, and since Fiona handed the baby over to Maric personally I believe he'd put him somewhere he knew would be a good environment, like with Eamon. I also believe this was how Duncan was able to locate Alistair in the first place. He knew he'd be a good candidate for a Warden since his mother had been one so he saught him out. Either way, I'd like to hear other people's thoughts on the matter.
Just finished the game and The Calling, question regarding Fiona
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Posté 19 novembre 2009 - 04:41
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The time difference is the problem. Fiona's child was conceived after Queen Rowan died. In Alistair's codex entry it says he was carted off to prevent Queen Rowan from knowing about him. Also, he'd be far younger if he was Fiona's son.
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Posté 19 novembre 2009 - 04:44
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Its hard to tell, but I still think Alistair is Fiona's child. I mean its easy to conjure up a story about the King sleeping with a servant, though if the news came out about the King slept with a Grey Warden it would be different. A mage at that, and she was also an elf, no one would accept Alistair because of that.
But who knows except Mr. Gaider himself.
But who knows except Mr. Gaider himself.
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Posté 11 janvier 2010 - 02:53
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There are multiple issues with the codex/timeline thing to begin with. I just finished the book, and it would make more sense that Fiona is Alistair's mum than a random maid. First of all, how would a servant have an Andraste amulet? How would it explain Alistair's fascination with magical objects? Why mention Maric's basard son in the epilogue of a book, then have a differentbastard of Maric's in the game as the most important npc?
I want to know if Fiona was at Alistair's Joining, since Riordan was there, but we'll never know
I want to know if Fiona was at Alistair's Joining, since Riordan was there, but we'll never know
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Posté 11 janvier 2010 - 05:00
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Shavon wrote...
I want to know if Fiona was at Alistair's Joining, since Riordan was there, but we'll never know
I don't think so. I recall Alistair saying he'd never met a female Grey Warden, but had only seen pictures of them back when you talk to him at Ostagar.
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Posté 11 janvier 2010 - 05:07
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Tielis wrote...
The time difference is the problem. Fiona's child was conceived after Queen Rowan died. In Alistair's codex entry it says he was carted off to prevent Queen Rowan from knowing about him. Also, he'd be far younger if he was Fiona's son.
Time is not problem. He would be ~20 (And Cailan ~30) at the start of game if he is Fiona's son. Now as codex is written as PC hears/thinks things are, it is not problem either (IE Alistair maid mother/reason to be in redcliffe could be just a lie).
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Posté 26 janvier 2010 - 12:29
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Hasn't been any debate over this in a bit, and I was curious if anything else had been revealed or not.
For now, some random thoughts from me:
If Alistair is indeed Fiona's son, then what of Goldanna? Was her mother's death in childbirth a convenient happenstance? Was this maid actually having a fling with Maric? Was this all a lie told to Goldanna, to further cover Alistair's birth?
What of Fiona? If I remember right, she would be the only Warden who, by way of speculation, at least, would avoid "The Calling" and could live to an old age. Is she still alive? In future installments of the game (Awakening, Dao 2, or another expansion) does she play a part or will Alistair learn the (speculative)truth? If she's NOT his mother, then will he learn about her and Maric, anyway, and jump to the conclusion that she is?
For now, some random thoughts from me:
If Alistair is indeed Fiona's son, then what of Goldanna? Was her mother's death in childbirth a convenient happenstance? Was this maid actually having a fling with Maric? Was this all a lie told to Goldanna, to further cover Alistair's birth?
What of Fiona? If I remember right, she would be the only Warden who, by way of speculation, at least, would avoid "The Calling" and could live to an old age. Is she still alive? In future installments of the game (Awakening, Dao 2, or another expansion) does she play a part or will Alistair learn the (speculative)truth? If she's NOT his mother, then will he learn about her and Maric, anyway, and jump to the conclusion that she is?
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Posté 26 janvier 2010 - 12:42
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I thought that the codex had a terminal case of unreliable narrator. Or, at least, that was the "official" line.
*is firmly in the Maric + Fiona = Alistair camp*
*is firmly in the Maric + Fiona = Alistair camp*
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Posté 17 juillet 2010 - 05:10
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Alistair has just got to be the kid Fiona and Maric had. I mean, who the hell else could it of been?
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Posté 17 juillet 2010 - 05:15
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A third child, setting the plot for a overthrow of the Fereldan throne. Works with all Origins endings.
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Posté 17 juillet 2010 - 05:20
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Yeah, but the kid is part-elf and if he reveals himself as Maric and Fiona's child then there's no way he's getting on the throne.
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Posté 18 juillet 2010 - 02:34
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I believe that the codex is information that you 'hear' and/or 'see' no? And I recall (I don't have the quote but am 100% positive) that Gaider informed us that not to rely on the codex to literally and treat it as the 'gospel' of Dragon Age.
But yes I do believe Alistair is the child of Maric and Fiona, plus even though Maric had multiple partners throughout his life, he truly did love each of them. He's not the type of guy to go on a sort of sex-spree and produce bastard children on a whim.
Also I'm hoping that Fiona will make an in-game appearance in Dragon Age, it is confirmed in The Calling that she won't have to suffer through the Calling no?
But yes I do believe Alistair is the child of Maric and Fiona, plus even though Maric had multiple partners throughout his life, he truly did love each of them. He's not the type of guy to go on a sort of sex-spree and produce bastard children on a whim.
Also I'm hoping that Fiona will make an in-game appearance in Dragon Age, it is confirmed in The Calling that she won't have to suffer through the Calling no?
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Posté 18 juillet 2010 - 04:53
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Really, though, while it's possible that Fiona's kid isn't Alistair and while it doesn't really fully mesh with Origins without a retcon... everything about the way The Calling ends implies that it's meant to be Alistair and that Maric has no other children but Cailan.MKDAWUSS wrote...
A third child, setting the plot for a overthrow of the Fereldan throne. Works with all Origins endings.
Though if they decided for Fiona's kid to be a third child, I certainly wouldn't object. Because, yeah, that gives them a way to resurrect the Theirin line should they need to.
I will chuckle if it's Hawke.
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Posté 18 juillet 2010 - 08:00
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I'm for Team Fiona. It's pretty much fanon at this point. Which probably is going to tempt Gaider to make us all eat our words, but I hope not. The idea that Maric shagged some Redcliffe servant girl would be disappointing.
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Posté 18 juillet 2010 - 08:12
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So Maric just cant control himself it seems around.. well anything female really.
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Posté 18 juillet 2010 - 10:04
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But that's not true at all from what we see of his character. I mean, with Katriel you might say that, but he was a young man and she was a professional seductress so I think he gets some slack. He seems to have been faithful to Rowan. Fiona initiated the physical contact with him, and practically had to rape him at first. There's no indication otherwise, that I know of, that he was a playah.Giggles_Manically wrote...
So Maric just cant control himself it seems around.. well anything female really.
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Posté 18 juillet 2010 - 10:08
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Except with that serving girl in redcliffe.
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Posté 29 août 2010 - 08:02
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Just finished The Calling, and I don't see how Alistair could NOT be Fiona's son.
Anathemic summed my thoughts up perfectly, "...plus even though Maric had multiple partners throughout his life, he truly did love each of them. He's not the type of guy to go on a sort of sex-spree and produce bastard children on a whim."
And I mean come on, why even mention it if it wasn't Alistair? They're not gonna throw another bastard into it at this point.
P.S. I love love loved the book, and can't believe it took me this long to read it.
Anathemic summed my thoughts up perfectly, "...plus even though Maric had multiple partners throughout his life, he truly did love each of them. He's not the type of guy to go on a sort of sex-spree and produce bastard children on a whim."
And I mean come on, why even mention it if it wasn't Alistair? They're not gonna throw another bastard into it at this point.
P.S. I love love loved the book, and can't believe it took me this long to read it.
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Posté 29 août 2010 - 12:25
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But is Morrigan also a child of Maric?
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Posté 29 août 2010 - 12:49
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Ha ha, the old "what was Maric doing in Flemeth's hut for so long?" theory, huh?
Well they do bicker like brother and sister... But no, I think that's unlikely.
Well they do bicker like brother and sister... But no, I think that's unlikely.
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Posté 29 août 2010 - 12:50
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Morrigan is not the child of Maric, if she is I will personally eat my words (I hope they taste nice), if she is then I would find that the worse twist to put in the series.
On topic, I'm unsure about the whole Fiona being Alistair's mother, while it makes complete sense in one way it doesn't in another. Where are the defining features of a half-elf? Surely he should have something 'elf' like about him, unless all of Fiona's dna just went flying out the window, to me Alistair looks like a normal human.
However I would prefer Fiona over some random serving girl in Redcliffe...come on Gaider, give us some info!
On topic, I'm unsure about the whole Fiona being Alistair's mother, while it makes complete sense in one way it doesn't in another. Where are the defining features of a half-elf? Surely he should have something 'elf' like about him, unless all of Fiona's dna just went flying out the window, to me Alistair looks like a normal human.
However I would prefer Fiona over some random serving girl in Redcliffe...come on Gaider, give us some info!
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Posté 29 août 2010 - 12:53
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MortalEngines wrote...
Morrigan is not the child of Maric, if she is I will personally eat my words (I hope they taste nice), if she is then I would find that the worse twist to put in the series.
On topic, I'm unsure about the whole Fiona being Alistair's mother, while it makes complete sense in one way it doesn't in another. Where are the defining features of a half-elf? Surely he should have something 'elf' like about him, unless all of Fiona's dna just went flying out the window, to me Alistair looks like a normal human.
However I would prefer Fiona over some random serving girl in Redcliffe...come on Gaider, give us some info!
You can't tell apparently. Children of elves and humans in the DA universe appear completely human.
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Posté 29 août 2010 - 01:02
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Avilia wrote...
MortalEngines wrote...
Morrigan is not the child of Maric, if she is I will personally eat my words (I hope they taste nice), if she is then I would find that the worse twist to put in the series.
On topic, I'm unsure about the whole Fiona being Alistair's mother, while it makes complete sense in one way it doesn't in another. Where are the defining features of a half-elf? Surely he should have something 'elf' like about him, unless all of Fiona's dna just went flying out the window, to me Alistair looks like a normal human.
However I would prefer Fiona over some random serving girl in Redcliffe...come on Gaider, give us some info!
You can't tell apparently. Children of elves and humans in the DA universe appear completely human.
May I ask where you got your info from? (I'm not saying it's not true, I'm just curious :happy:).
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Posté 29 août 2010 - 01:09
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Yes, elf + human = human.
It's hard to say, really. The case for is that it might explain why Duncan recruited Alistair and mentored him. The case against is about timing - the Codex and a conversation with Loghain (if recruited) both indicate Rowan was alive when Alistair was born and he was shipped off to Arl Eamon in order to hide him from her. Rowan, of course, was dead by the time Maric met Fiona.
The thing is, Alistair was originally conceived as a 31 year old veteran warden, which would tie in with the chambermaid theory (he would be older than Cailan by 6 years, so yes, he might be a threat to the throne), but was made younger and less serious to make him more appealing. That makes the Fiona theory more plausible.
As with all things, changes to the game during development have resulted in a lot of plot holes.
It's hard to say, really. The case for is that it might explain why Duncan recruited Alistair and mentored him. The case against is about timing - the Codex and a conversation with Loghain (if recruited) both indicate Rowan was alive when Alistair was born and he was shipped off to Arl Eamon in order to hide him from her. Rowan, of course, was dead by the time Maric met Fiona.
The thing is, Alistair was originally conceived as a 31 year old veteran warden, which would tie in with the chambermaid theory (he would be older than Cailan by 6 years, so yes, he might be a threat to the throne), but was made younger and less serious to make him more appealing. That makes the Fiona theory more plausible.
As with all things, changes to the game during development have resulted in a lot of plot holes.
