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[Avilia]

MortalEngines wrote...

Avilia wrote...

MortalEngines wrote...

Morrigan is not the child of Maric, if she is I will personally eat my words (I hope they taste nice), if she is then I would find that the worse twist to put in the series.

On topic, I'm unsure about the whole Fiona being Alistair's mother, while it makes complete sense in one way it doesn't in another. Where are the defining features of a half-elf? Surely he should have something 'elf' like about him, unless all of Fiona's dna just went flying out the window, to me Alistair looks like a normal human.

However I would prefer Fiona over some random serving girl in Redcliffe...come on Gaider, give us some info!

You can't tell apparently.  Children of elves and humans in the DA universe appear completely human.

May I ask where you got your info from? (I'm not saying it's not true, I'm just curious :happy:).

The Maker himself - David Gaider.  Lemme do a search and see if I can find a source post....

http://social.biowar...47/index/632574

Nothing from Mr Gaider in there but its fairly common knowledge I think.  I'll have another hunt but as we know the forums are evil and refuse to give up their secrets easily ;-)

[MortalEngines]

Avilia wrote...

MortalEngines wrote...

Avilia wrote...

MortalEngines wrote...

Morrigan is not the child of Maric, if she is I will personally eat my words (I hope they taste nice), if she is then I would find that the worse twist to put in the series.

On topic, I'm unsure about the whole Fiona being Alistair's mother, while it makes complete sense in one way it doesn't in another. Where are the defining features of a half-elf? Surely he should have something 'elf' like about him, unless all of Fiona's dna just went flying out the window, to me Alistair looks like a normal human.

However I would prefer Fiona over some random serving girl in Redcliffe...come on Gaider, give us some info!

You can't tell apparently.  Children of elves and humans in the DA universe appear completely human.

May I ask where you got your info from? (I'm not saying it's not true, I'm just curious :happy:).

The Maker himself - David Gaider.  Lemme do a search and see if I can find a source post....

http://social.biowar...47/index/632574

Nothing from Mr Gaider in there but its fairly common knowledge I think.  I'll have another hunt but as we know the forums are evil and refuse to give up their secrets easily ;-)

Fairly common knowledge that has seemed to miss my ears . Well thank you anyway, I understand it better now and I am fully on the 'Fiona is Alistair's mom' bandwagon, I guess the reason they come out Human is because the Human dna is stronger than elven dna..hmmmm.

[DragonRacer13]

Well, Fiona mentions in "The Calling" that children of a human/elf pairing always come out human.

[Heimdall]

I'm in the Fiona = Alistair's mother club. Fiona does say to let him think his mother was dead. The only thing that really puts a serious wrench in the theory for me in Goldanna. Why did she think her mother's child was the king's? I'm not sure what to think of her...

[Nerevar-as]

Lord Aesir wrote...

I'm in the Fiona = Alistair's mother club. Fiona does say to let him think his mother was dead. The only thing that really puts a serious wrench in the theory for me in Goldanna. Why did she think her mother's child was the king's? I'm not sure what to think of her...

Maybe they let her believe it to cover for Fiona. Son of a maid is way better than son of elf-mage-GW if Alistair was needed in the future.
A third child is also likely though. I found it surprising that you could end the Theirim line in game. Although the same goes to changing the main character and plot in the sequel.

[Avilia]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

I'm in the Fiona = Alistair's mother club. Fiona does say to let him think his mother was dead. The only thing that really puts a serious wrench in the theory for me in Goldanna. Why did she think her mother's child was the king's? I'm not sure what to think of her...

Maybe they let her believe it to cover for Fiona. Son of a maid is way better than son of elf-mage-GW if Alistair was needed in the future.
A third child is also likely though. I found it surprising that you could end the Theirim line in game. Although the same goes to changing the main character and plot in the sequel.

Perhaps being able to end the line supports the Fiona as Alistair's mother theory.  I'm not sure how well the nobles and populace would receive a king who's mother is an elf.   Perhaps the reason for Teagan's "Are you are sure!?" to Eamon.

[CalJones]

@Nerevar-as - Why not? It's not exactly a first. In Elder Scrolls Oblivion, the royal line is ended, leaving the land more or less in chaos. (And there's the whole king dies leaving only a bastard to inherit...who ends up sacrificing himself to kill a big demon thing. Sounds...familiar. Hrmm).

[Wedger]

wht didn't all the Ferlen wardens come to my wardens joining? Were they too drunk? They were just around the corner... lazy @@@XXX%%

Modifié par Wedger, 30 août 2010 - 01:45 .

[Wedger]

Wedger wrote...

why didn't all the Ferlen wardens come to my wardens joining? Were they too drunk? They were just around the corner... lazy @@@XXX%%

[CalJones]

Wedger - yes, they were boozing with king Cailan. That's why they were all slaughtered by the darkspawn - they were too drunk to fight properly.

[nos_astra]

Nerevar-as wrote...
Maybe they let her believe it to cover for Fiona. Son of a maid is way better than son of elf-mage-GW if Alistair was needed in the future.
A third child is also likely though. I found it surprising that you could end the Theirim line in game. Although the same goes to changing the main character and plot in the sequel.

I wonder who would be there to confirm the parentage? I mean, another blonde guy comes up in a future book or game and says what? Duncan is dead. Maric is dead. Fiona hasn't seen her son in twenty-odd years. 

It had to be an open secret that Alistair is Maric's son or the Landsmeet would have been pointless because Loghain and Anora would have queried.

Who would speak for the ultra-secret bastard no one knows? A letter with Maric's royal seal? Could be easily destroyed or brushed aside as a fake. Would make a nice story, though ... but he wouldn't end up on the throne.

Modifié par klarabella, 30 août 2010 - 02:48 .

[jpdipity]

Lord Aesir wrote...

I'm in the Fiona = Alistair's mother club. Fiona does say to let him think his mother was dead. The only thing that really puts a serious wrench in the theory for me in Goldanna. Why did she think her mother's child was the king's? I'm not sure what to think of her...

Not only does Goldanna claim that Maric was her brother's father, but she also claims that Maric forced himself on her mother. 

I've seen absolutely nothing of Maric's character that even slightly leads me to believe that he would force himself on a woman (human woman at that - he obvious has a thing for elves).  I simply don't believe her story.  Perhaps her mother said it to glamorize her single-mother pregnancy or perhaps it was the fantasy of a fatherless young girl that her mother would marry the king and she would be a princess - who the heck knows?  It just seems more likely that Goldanna was mistaken and/or mislead than to believe that 1) Maric was an adulterous rapist, 2) Maric had another child & lover that were never mentioned anywhere in the books, 3) Duncan watched over Alistair for no reason, but from what we can tell ignored Maric/Fiona's child, 4) Gaider creates a child in the book and carries over virtually every other character into the DAO game world, but ignores the child.

I'm in the Alistair is Fiona's camp as well - it is simply the most logical conclusion.

Modifié par jpdipity, 30 août 2010 - 07:25 .

[CalJones]

She's just a bitter woman. She doesn't know for sure that her mother's child is the king's, as she put it...let alone the circumstances under which it was conceived. The possibility is either that of the starstruck maid and the horny king (if it was conceived while Rowan was alive but ill, then that's one scenario) or else the chambermaid did have a bastard child which died, and was then used as a cover story for Alistair (who was Fiona's son).

[zapkeet]

Honestly though...I think that Anders is a much more viable candidate as their child... there just seems to be so many odd things, as most people mentioned was the timeline



I mean, Cailan was like...what? 8-10 when Allistair would have been born? Plus Alistair even says that he had gotten into a convo with the king when they were little, and Alistair sounded a bit more "grown up" than Cailan did in their first meeting (when Cailan would have had to have been fairly late in his teens...so him saying "oooo swords" seems odd since you would think that he would have been trained in them so much)



Also...that IS another thing with Rowan, she was alive when Alistair was born according to the game...but was dead in the books. doesn't make a whole lot of sense., but here's why anders seems so much more likely:



him and alistair look a like, they have similar personalities, he's a mage (like fiona), He also loves cats (Fiona did too)



bah! it just seems odd. I mean..if it really was alistair..it just feels so weird if you kill him off/choose Loghain over him

[Merilsell]

zapkeet wrote...

Honestly though...I think that Anders is a much more viable candidate as their child... there just seems to be so many odd things, as most people mentioned was the timeline

I mean, Cailan was like...what? 8-10 when Allistair would have been born? Plus Alistair even says that he had gotten into a convo with the king when they were little, and Alistair sounded a bit more "grown up" than Cailan did in their first meeting (when Cailan would have had to have been fairly late in his teens...so him saying "oooo swords" seems odd since you would think that he would have been trained in them so much)

Also...that IS another thing with Rowan, she was alive when Alistair was born according to the game...but was dead in the books. doesn't make a whole lot of sense., but here's why anders seems so much more likely:

him and alistair look a like, they have similar personalities, he's a mage (like fiona), He also loves cats (Fiona did too)

bah! it just seems odd. I mean..if it really was alistair..it just feels so weird if you kill him off/choose Loghain over him

No.

As far I recall word of god had already denied that Anders is Fiona's son. He would be too old for that, too. The rest of the timeline in Origin are fuzzy because original Alistair was meant to be an 31 years old veteran soldier which got ditched later because it wouldn't have worked. I think the rest that made it in the game are still remaining pieces of that original plan.

Also has DG confirmed that Alistair is at the start 20 years old, so even that would be fitting. And Cailan was five years old when the Alistair was born ( not 8, it's a printing mistake in the first TC books). Well that the Warden is more mature than his kingly brother is hardly a surprise, if you compare the life Cailan has led and then the not happy one Alistair had. Kids in such circumstances mature quicker than ones in sheltered environment, because they have to.

So yeah, after having finally finish TC I'm more than ever in the belief that Alistair is indeed Fiona's son. It all fit's too well, indeed. And the last pages simply scream Alistair, really.

Especially the last lines : It was not the end. It felt more like a beginning.

[pudi0072000]

zapkeet wrote...

Honestly though...I think that Anders is a much more viable candidate as their child... there just seems to be so many odd things, as most people mentioned was the timeline

I mean, Cailan was like...what? 8-10 when Allistair would have been born? Plus Alistair even says that he had gotten into a convo with the king when they were little, and Alistair sounded a bit more "grown up" than Cailan did in their first meeting (when Cailan would have had to have been fairly late in his teens...so him saying "oooo swords" seems odd since you would think that he would have been trained in them so much)

Also...that IS another thing with Rowan, she was alive when Alistair was born according to the game...but was dead in the books. doesn't make a whole lot of sense., but here's why anders seems so much more likely:

him and alistair look a like, they have similar personalities, he's a mage (like fiona), He also loves cats (Fiona did too)

bah! it just seems odd. I mean..if it really was alistair..it just feels so weird if you kill him off/choose Loghain over him

Except Gaider said that Alistair and Anders aren't related during the PAX Q&A interview www.ustream.tv/recorded/9386107  Somewhere around the 20-21 min mark.

(Cailan was supposed to be 5-6 when Fiona's child was born, but a typo got through that said he was 9 social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/9/index/1054532/1) I think Alistair was just being goofy to deflect the real question, not that he was quoting Cailian verbatim. But then, this is Cailan we're talking about, so maybe it was...

And then there's the issue with the Codex being what the PC knows to be true, not neccesarily the actual truth, which might have something to do with the Rowan issue.  Loghain thinks Alistair was hidden to protect Rowan, but Maric might've thought that would be easier to sell than telling him his bastard's mother was an Orlesian elven mage.

ETA: 'ed. Goshm I'm a slow typer.

Modifié par pudi0072000, 02 octobre 2010 - 12:13 .

[zapkeet]

Alright, makes sense...



now i feel bad for choosing Loghain

[Merilsell]

Haha, yeah telling Loghain his friend Maric impregnated an Orleasian elven mage and Alistair is the result would have let his head explode xD

Thanks for the facts. Couldn't find the links so fast.

Well make it better the next time around

[Zwomann]

Just read both books back to back in two days. I was very impressed and could not put them down (well, Kindle on PC, so could not take my eyes off the screen... lol) Anyway - I think I may have to start another round of playing DA tonight... lol. I ASSumed it was my beloved Alistair at the end there, but I am not one for details of how it could/couldn't be. I really like things nice and tidy and would like to see a conclusion. Did they ever mention what had cost Meric so much (he mentioned that) in the deal with Flemeth (I assumed that was her too - it sure did sound like her... lol)?