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[Persephone]

I think it's rather tragic to read what's going on there. Now, I am not saying that it isn't justified to write negative reviews, that's perfectly within people's rights. But the abuse the game, Bioware and those who dared to voice a positive opinion on there are enduring is downright shameful. I know this happens around release days and maybe I'm just too sensitive but it just makes me terribly sad. I am a huge Bioware fan, I love pretty much all of their games (Except DAA) .........to see the fanbase I'm a part of acting in such a fashion....I dunno. It's terrible. Reading about people who never even played it bashing DA2 "on principle", positive reviews being attacked.....isn't that going a bit too far?

[Bachmors]

I agree, it goes way too far. Dragon Age 2 is still a great, very entertaining game, despite its many flaws. Bioware deserves honest honest criticism, because they didn't deliver a "bad" product, just a good, but flawed one.

[Persephone]

Bachmors wrote...

I agree, it goes way too far. Dragon Age 2 is still a great, very entertaining game, despite its many flaws. Bioware deserves honest honest criticism, because they didn't deliver a "bad" product, just a good, but flawed one.

This I can understand. I love DA2 but I can totally understand why someone else would not. It's the vitriol, the vicious attacks I have a problem with.

[MOB_RULES_]

It's dog eat dog out there. always has been.

[Proviant_germany]

But, you are now attacking the negative reviewers, isn't you the same shameful beeing, we have to stop?

Also, you can bash DA 2 withoud playing it. In fact most of our wisdom is coming from reading, reading books for example, reading this post, reading ratings => making an own opinion.

Modifié par Proviant_germany, 17 mars 2011 - 10:29 .

[Bachmors]

This I can understand. I love DA2 but I can totally understand why someone else would not. It's the vitriol, the vicious attacks I have a problem with.

Oh don't get me wrong, I love DA2 too. I'm halfway through my second playthrough already :-)
It' extremely fun and I enjoy it, but sadly that doesn't change the fact, that the game has flaws (repetitive environments, bugs, ridiculous exploding corpses etc.)

I play Bioware rpgs since Baldurs Gate, and I had as much fun with Dragon Age 2 as with KotoR, BG2, Jade Empire and NWN.

Also, you can bash DA 2 withoud playing it. In fact most of our
wisdom is coming from reading, reading books for example, reading this
post, reading ratings => making an own opinion.

Are you serious? I was very anxious that the game would be rubbish after reading too many posts on these forums, but I enjoyed it tremendously. Judging a game you haven't played is ignorance, nothing more

Modifié par Bachmors, 17 mars 2011 - 10:34 .

[wowpwnslol]

It's getting a lot of negative reviews because of the high standard of Origins and Bioware tag, which carries very high expectations, which Bioware didn't live up to.

Remove Dragon Age from the game's name and it would not be judged as harshly. It would just be another action/adventure game with JRPG inspired fighting and characters.

[B3taMaxxx]

Proviant_germany wrote...
Also, you can bash DA 2 withoud playing it.

 What's the point of doing so? I can't remeber a single game I've 'bashed' that I hadn't played. Odd rationale you have there.

[rob_k]

Persephone wrote...

I think it's rather tragic to read what's going on there. Now, I am not saying that it isn't justified to write negative reviews, that's perfectly within people's rights. But the abuse the game, Bioware and those who dared to voice a positive opinion on there are enduring is downright shameful. I know this happens around release days and maybe I'm just too sensitive but it just makes me terribly sad. I am a huge Bioware fan, I love pretty much all of their games (Except DAA) .........to see the fanbase I'm a part of acting in such a fashion....I dunno. It's terrible. Reading about people who never even played it bashing DA2 "on principle", positive reviews being attacked.....isn't that going a bit too far?

These people should try writing something, posting it on a writing forum and seeing how it feels when someone comes and calls their work absolute rubbish etc.

They wouldn't like it.

It's what I've always gone on about. Having respect for the work of others. Few people seem to have said respect.

Modifié par rob_k, 17 mars 2011 - 10:36 .

[chinoyray]

gave it a 8/10 review in metacritic. DA2 is a great game. It has flaws for sure but most gamers can live with it. Some are just overracting with the way they did not like the game.

[CRISIS1717]

It's possible to get a measure of a game before you play it because there is so much game media out there.

I plan on putting up my review scores on meta and amazon at the lowest possible scoring. The difference between our opinions is that you see Dragon Age 2 as a harmless Apostate and I see it as an Abomination. =P

[rob_k]

I'm near the end of act 2 I think and I write for a website called Brighthub. One of those websites where you get ad revenue share and upfronts. So, I'll post a link to it when I've written it.

I've gotta say though, I won't mind everyone coming to bash the review if it's positive. More money for me. Seriously though, I'm guessing I'll give it between 3 - 4/5.

[What?]

Let's just hope all the negativity doesn't kill the series entirely. I'd be absolutely distraught if DA got eradicated. But judging by all the bad press, I'm starting to think the series being killed is inevitable.

Modifié par VictorianTrash, 17 mars 2011 - 10:41 .

[rob_k]

That's something people don't think about, I reckon, Victorian.

They don't think about the damage they can cause or they just don't care. I'll give people the benefit of the doubt and say the majority just don't realise it.

[LoneFullmetal]

wowpwnslol wrote...

It's getting a lot of negative reviews because of the high standard of Origins and Bioware tag, which carries very high expectations, which Bioware didn't live up to.

Remove Dragon Age from the game's name and it would not be judged as harshly. It would just be another action/adventure game with JRPG inspired fighting and characters.

JRPG fighiting I understand, it's fighting system is basically just like Kingdom Hearts, but characters?

[What?]

rob_k wrote...

That's something people don't think about, I reckon, Victorian.

They don't think about the damage they can cause or they just don't care. I'll give people the benefit of the doubt and say the majority just don't realise it.

I see very little thought in half the posts on the board. Just blind-rage. Sigh. I'll be sure to thank them when DA is cancelled because of the extreme levels of vitriol.

[wowpwnslol]

LoneFullmetal wrote...

JRPG fighiting I understand, it's fighting system is basically just like Kingdom Hearts, but characters?

Yes, characters, like Fenris. Clearly inspired by one of JRPG video games/anime shows. Oversized sword doesn't help either.

[Balerion84]

Proviant_germany wrote...

But, you are now attacking the negative reviewers, isn't you the same shameful beeing, we have to stop?

Shame on you. How dare you to expect common sense on the internet? *shakes fist*
And how dare you pointing out hypocritic behaviour on the internet? *shakes fist again*

[B3taMaxxx]

CRISIS1717 wrote...

It's possible to get a measure of a game before you play it because there is so much game media out there.

I plan on putting up my review scores on meta and amazon at the lowest possible scoring. The difference between our opinions is that you see Dragon Age 2 as a harmless Apostate and I see it as an Abomination. =P

 
 But that's silly. You can't think of one game you've played that had worse graphics, gameplay and story then DA II?

 I can think of many games deserving of a 4 or perhaps a 5, and they were playable, but also broken in many ways. Take Alpha Protocol for instance. The game had in my opinion worse graphics than DA II, the gameplay was a mess and the overall story was boring. However the game had many unique features. I didn't enjoy it that much, and was rather disappointed with it, but at the very least I gave it a 7. 

 It's your review(S), but to rate a game at the very bottom that a site will allow you to is, like I said, silly. 

Modifié par B3taMaxxx, 17 mars 2011 - 10:49 .

[Tripedius]

It affects both sides. Plenty of people will try to force their positive opinion on you as well. In all honesty both (lovers & haters) are in the wrong. This game isn't a 2 or a 3 and it isn't a 9 or a 10, but a good solid 7. Unfortunately for BW people tend to expect 9's and 10's from them, but how the mighty have fallen.

[Proviant_germany]

B3taMaxxx wrote...

Proviant_germany wrote...
Also, you can bash DA 2 withoud playing it.

 What's the point of doing so? I can't remeber a single game I've 'bashed' that I hadn't played. Odd rationale you have there.

Example: you can criticize the day 1 DLCs politics. You don't need to play a game for that. Why is this important? Well, many people don't like to have DLCs, but would buy a DA 2 Ultimate Edition in one year.

Are you serious? I was very anxious that the game would be rubbish after
reading too many posts on these forums, but I enjoyed it tremendously.
Judging a game you haven't played is ignorance, nothing more ../../../images/forum/emoticons/andy.png

Yes i am. You sure did go to a school. Remember: how many things did you learned without practice and got an opinion by reading books, articles, wiki? You can read the 30+ mag and online mag reviews and having a positive or negative opinion on Da 2

[CRISIS1717]

VictorianTrash wrote...

Let's just hope all the negativity doesn't kill the series entirely. I'd be absolutely distraught if DA got eradicated. But judging by all the bad press, I'm starting to think the series being killed is inevitable.

I'd rather have no DA3 at all if it's like DA2, it's an embarrassment, even poor developers aren't guilty of some of the stuff I've seen in DA2. 

[rob_k]

VictorianTrash wrote...

rob_k wrote...

That's something people don't think about, I reckon, Victorian.

They don't think about the damage they can cause or they just don't care. I'll give people the benefit of the doubt and say the majority just don't realise it.

I see very little thought in half the posts on the board. Just blind-rage. Sigh. I'll be sure to thank them when DA is cancelled because of the extreme levels of vitriol.

As will I, though I'll do it in a way to say:

You're now complaining about there being no more Dragon Age games? You have thought of that earlier.

(Granted, we're most likely over-reacting here)

And Proviant, Balerion:

There's a difference between plain hate/stupidity and constructive criticism.

Much of what's said falls in the plain hate and stupidity camp. So, I'm not sure the OP is out of line.

When things are critiqued/discussed, it's all about the particular player in question and their thoughts/wants. They only point out the negative aspects (and in a not so constructive way) instead of also focusing on the positives. Of course, this is meaning by and large.

I've read some nice critiques on this forum. (And err, I'm not even going to get into those '0/10 reviews', nor the fact plenty of people found them helpful.)

[lazysuperstar]

DA 2 is a very solid, good game. Liked it a lot and will definitely get DA 3.

I think the game is just a victim of unfair expectations. And when unfair expectations are not met, it often results in unfair reactions.

[Merci357]

B3taMaxxx wrote...

CRISIS1717 wrote...

It's possible to get a measure of a game before you play it because there is so much game media out there.

I plan on putting up my review scores on meta and amazon at the lowest possible scoring. The difference between our opinions is that you see Dragon Age 2 as a harmless Apostate and I see it as an Abomination. =P

 
 But that's silly. You can't think of one game you've played that had worse graphics, gameplay and story then DA II?

 I can think of many games deserving of a 4 or perhaps a 5, and they were playable, but also broken in many ways. Take Alpha Protocol for instance. The game had in my opinion worse graphics than DA II, the gameplay was a mess and the overall story was boring. However the game had many unique features. I didn't enjoy it that much, and was rather disappointed with it, but at the very least I gave it a 7. 

 It's your review(S), but to rate a game at the very bottom a site will allow you to is, like I said, silly. 

While I'd agree to your rating, and the reasoning behind, I guess it all boils down to this: It's a BioWare game. And, while highly enjoyable despite many flaws, that's the one and only reason many act the way they do. At least I can't see anything close to this raging and bashing if this would have been a.. let's say Piranha Bytes or Obsidian title. And Alpha Protocol is a great comparison, for that matter. Many flaws, and yet enjoyable. I liked it. But there was no rage, at all, people simply neglected it.