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[Captain Iglo]

VictorianTrash wrote...

Let's just hope all the negativity doesn't kill the series entirely. I'd be absolutely distraught if DA got eradicated. But judging by all the bad press, I'm starting to think the series being killed is inevitable.

There is only one thing that can kill the series and that are bad sales.

And I also dont think that Bioware will put much weight into the Amazon or Metacritic scores. That would be beyond stupid of em.

Modifié par Captain Iglo, 17 mars 2011 - 10:54 .

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CRISIS1717 wrote...

VictorianTrash wrote...

Let's just hope all the negativity doesn't kill the series entirely. I'd be absolutely distraught if DA got eradicated. But judging by all the bad press, I'm starting to think the series being killed is inevitable.

I'd rather have no DA3 at all if it's like DA2, it's an embarrassment, even poor developers aren't guilty of some of the stuff I've seen in DA2. 

That's you. Not me nor anyone else, save a like-minded minority. Or majority. I haven't seen statistics, because, frankly, I'd rather not have everything placed in numerical perspective for me.

Modifié par VictorianTrash, 17 mars 2011 - 10:56 .

[B3taMaxxx]

Merci357 wrote...
While I'd agree to your rating, and the reasoning behind, I guess it all boils down to this: It's a BioWare game. And, while highly enjoyable despite many flaws, that's the one and only reason many act the way they do. At least I can't see anything close to this raging and bashing if this would have been a.. let's say Piranha Bytes or Obsidian title. And Alpha Protocol is a great comparison, for that matter. Many flaws, and yet enjoyable. I liked it. But there was no rage, at all, people simply neglected it.

 Well said.

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Captain Iglo wrote...

VictorianTrash wrote...

Let's just hope all the negativity doesn't kill the series entirely. I'd be absolutely distraught if DA got eradicated. But judging by all the bad press, I'm starting to think the series being killed is inevitable.

There is only one thing that can kill the series and that are bad sales.

And I also dont think that Bioware will put much weight into the Amazon or Metacritic scores. That would be beyond stupid of em.

From what I've gleaned, it hasn't done well sale-wise. I may, and probably am, still in the dark. As I said, I haven't kept up with things. I reserve an inkling of hope, however, because if Two Worlds got a sequel, then I don't see how DA2 couldn't.

Modifié par VictorianTrash, 17 mars 2011 - 11:00 .

[Captain Iglo]

CRISIS1717 wrote...

VictorianTrash wrote...

Let's just hope all the negativity doesn't kill the series entirely. I'd be absolutely distraught if DA got eradicated. But judging by all the bad press, I'm starting to think the series being killed is inevitable.

I'd rather have no DA3 at all if it's like DA2, it's an embarrassment, even poor developers aren't guilty of some of the stuff I've seen in DA2. 

But thats your opinion.

[rob_k]

It's at the top of the charts for the websites that ship to the UK at least. (By and large)

I think Amazon's the only one where it's not like 1st or 2nd in the top ten for the relevant platforms.

I did dig up the links the other day but it was largely ignored so... I can't really be bothered it again.

Edit: This is based on some digging around a few days ago though.

Modifié par rob_k, 17 mars 2011 - 11:00 .

[Captain Iglo]

VictorianTrash wrote...

Captain Iglo wrote...

VictorianTrash wrote...

Let's just hope all the negativity doesn't kill the series entirely. I'd be absolutely distraught if DA got eradicated. But judging by all the bad press, I'm starting to think the series being killed is inevitable.

There is only one thing that can kill the series and that are bad sales.

And I also dont think that Bioware will put much weight into the Amazon or Metacritic scores. That would be beyond stupid of em.

From what I've gleaned, it hasn't done well sale-wise. I may, and probably am, still in the dark, however. As I said, I haven't kept up with things.

Well if the game really does bad I also see not much chance for Bioware getting the budget for another original IP. The way I think of EA they would Bioware push to concentrate on Mass Effect and Star Wars titles.

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rob_k wrote...

It's at the top of the charts for the websites that ship to the UK at least. (By and large)

I think Amazon's the only one where it's not like 1st or 2nd in the top ten for the relevant platforms.

I did dig up the links the other day but it was largely ignored so... I can't really be bothered it again.

Edit: This is based on some digging around a few days ago though.

That makes me feel a bit better about things. Just a smidge.

[B3taMaxxx]

Gamestop has it on their bestseller list........so

[Rykoth]

Not to burst anyone's bubble... specifically the guy who tried to claim DA2 is like a JRPG with oversized swords?

- Most any greatsword in DAO was oversized.
- Many longswords in DAO were also oversized and downright LARP Foam like (Starfang, I'm looking at you)
- While greatswords were overly big, shields were like... small as hell
- Armor in DAO was ridiculously WoW like with how bulky it is

So... DA2 is basically carrying over.... 2 of those traits. Greatswords are STILL oversized, and some armor is STILL bulky, but not in the ridiculous way of DAO.

How again, is that like a JRPG? And how is Fenris like a JRPG? He's an elven slave. He also lacks an accent, way of speaking, or even a storyline that hints at JRPG. Just because you don't like someone's appearance doesn't mean Bioware is "losing their way."

So yeah, OP, I'm with you. It sickens me to see the bad reviews.

I think some folks have their panties in a bunch because DA2 isn't DAO2. Or in other aspects, becase DA2 actually requires you to get to think a bit more about the story/the consequences/the characters.

*recalls how many people were furious initially at what Isabela does because they rushed*

[rob_k]

Edit: I was going to post the charts for several websites, but I've took them out. Apart from Game (UK's equivalent of Gamestop I think), it doesn't look as good as I thought sadly.

My information was a few days old. I can still post the sales information, but I didn't want to take this off-topic etc.

Modifié par rob_k, 17 mars 2011 - 11:19 .

[LoneFullmetal]

wowpwnslol wrote...

LoneFullmetal wrote...

JRPG fighiting I understand, it's fighting system is basically just like Kingdom Hearts, but characters?

Yes, characters, like Fenris. Clearly inspired by one of JRPG video games/anime shows. Oversized sword doesn't help either.

That's just one character, and I felt in a lot of ways he was a mockery of them, with all his emo brooding, and Varric's conversations with him.

There is that one hairstyle with the slicked back spiked hair that does totally look like Saiyan hair though

Modifié par LoneFullmetal, 17 mars 2011 - 11:19 .

[Kithayri]

Rykoth wrote...

*snip*

How again, is that like a JRPG? And how is Fenris like a JRPG? He's an elven slave. He also lacks an accent, way of speaking, or even a storyline that hints at JRPG. Just because you don't like someone's appearance doesn't mean Bioware is "losing their way."

I think the JRPG comments are coming because Fenris is rather effeminate looking (due to being an elf) and brooding which are classically Final Fantasy main protaganist traits and they are making the (limited) connection from that and ignoring that his attitude and deamenor share nothing in common with the characters being compared. Though in their defense, hes voiced (in the same way) by the guy who did Balthier in Final Fantasy 12 so its not all unfair!

Rykoth wrote...

I think some folks have their panties in a bunch because DA2 isn't DAO2. Or in other aspects, becase DA2 actually requires you to get to think a bit more about the story/the consequences/the characters.

*recalls how many people were furious initially at what Isabela does because they rushed*

I think this is it spot on, people angry and raging because DA2 is not a carbon copy of mechanics and layout to DA:O which admittedly maybe partly Bioware's fault by giving that impression with the "2" suffix. If this had been Dragon Age: Kirkwall or Dragon Age: Hawke making it clear its not a direct sequel I think quite a few people would have had less issue with it though, I personally, enjoy it for what it is, another (good) game in what Bioware wants to be a far-reaching IP.

[lazysuperstar]

is Fenris inspired by a JRPG? Never played them. Now curious.

liked that Varric dialogue "Oh oh.. the broody elf tells a joke"

[Rykoth]

Calling it Dragon Age 2 isn't a problem at all!

I'd have understood the anger if it had been called Origins 2. But it isn't.

I dunno about the folks who played DAO, but when I first heard, way back before release, that it was called Origins, I assumed that it was an origin story to introduce us to the world, which may as well be a prequel. And while it probably had to do with changing your race etc. I felt even to this day, that DAO, while a great game and story in its own right, was simply a set up to introduce you to Thedas.

I say that because now that folks know about the Chantry, the Mages, the Templars, the Wardens, and everything else, DA2 pulls you closer to some of those factions, and let's you see both the good and ill.

DAO was like a bird's eye view of things. DA2 was a close up.

[Persephone]

Proviant_germany wrote...

But, you are now attacking the negative reviewers, isn't you the same shameful beeing, we have to stop?

Also, you can bash DA 2 withoud playing it. In fact most of our wisdom is coming from reading, reading books for example, reading this post, reading ratings => making an own opinion.

How am I attacking them exactly? I don't think anything I've said was anywhere near THAT level. And no, bashing a game without playing it is something I can neither approve of nor understand.

[Persephone]

CRISIS1717 wrote...

It's possible to get a measure of a game before you play it because there is so much game media out there.

I plan on putting up my review scores on meta and amazon at the lowest possible scoring. The difference between our opinions is that you see Dragon Age 2 as a harmless Apostate and I see it as an Abomination. =P

You trust in the media and premediate rating it as negatively as possible? Will you at least play it once/beat it once or are you doing this out of spite?

[Sauronvoldemort]

It's just too difficult to please hardcore gamers these days.

[Captain Iglo]

Sauronvoldemort wrote...

It's just too difficult to please hardcore gamers these days.

Its not to difficult its just impossible to please every group of em

[DragonRageGT]

Yes, the game is enjoyable but it has its flaws and no one is responsible for that and the reaction, either good or bad, but the gaming house that developed it.

It's like they gave us a Jackson Hole Wyoming's 3/4 pounder with fresh melted chedar cheese (Origins) and all of a sudden they gave us a Cheddar MacMelt for the sequel. (DA2) I can still enjoy eating it but it really can't be compared to the first. (Does JHW still exist in the NYC? While MacDonalds took over the world...)

[Persephone]

Sauronvoldemort wrote...

It's just too difficult to please hardcore gamers these days.

Too true. I can only hope that time will even things out and the fanatics on both sides will either move on or mellow a bit. Seriously, it's not like Bioware rewrote the bible. The whole treatment of DAO as a sacred cow just makes me go .

[hawat333]

The thing is, they don't "bash it on principle".
They bash it because it's an exteremly rushed product, and we can see it in nearly every aspect (except for the dialogue system maybe, that seems to be fully developed).
Bugs, entirely cut content which are still visible, re-used areas, respawning enemies to push the length, nonsense sidequest for the same reason, broken promises, false statements that were made during the marketing (which was cut because of time restraints).
While I enjoyed the game, I couldn't step over these things. BioWare makes quality, and this game is good. But not BioWare-good. It doesn't depend on the design choices, that's about personal taste. But it does depend on the development being rushed to finish it in time.
I would have gladly waited another year for a more -much more- polished product.
I've enjoyed it a great deal. I can only imagine how good it would have been with a more comfortable development time.

[B3taMaxxx]

hawat333 wrote...

The thing is, they don't "bash it on principle".

 A 0 out of 10 rating would be suspect to differ from your statement.  A 5, or perhaps a 4 would be the lowest the game should recieve if one completely hated it. But, on 'principle', they give it a zero.

 A broken game with terrible graphics, broken control scheme and lacking of any story would be a 3 if it played without crashing everytime you loaded it. So yeah, a 0? 

 I to think the game could've used another year in developement however.

Modifié par B3taMaxxx, 17 mars 2011 - 12:02 .

[rob_k]

hawat333 wrote...

The thing is, they don't "bash it on principle".
They bash it because it's an exteremly rushed product, and we can see it in nearly every aspect (except for the dialogue system maybe, that seems to be fully developed).
Bugs, entirely cut content which are still visible, re-used areas, respawning enemies to push the length, nonsense sidequest for the same reason, broken promises, false statements that were made during the marketing (which was cut because of time restraints).

Out of curiosity, what nonsense side-quests are these?

The secondary quests or the side-quests? Quite a few of the side-quests could be seen as pointless I suppose, but many of the secondary quests are involved and tie into the overall plot, I believe.

In any case, you don't give a 0/10 to any game unless it doesn't run at all and while I can't speak for the PC version or Xbox (PC demo ran fine), the PS3 version runs fine for me.

Of course, there are still bugs and over the past day or so, I've noticed the tooltips don't always show the upgraded stats of abilities when accessed from the radial menu. So, I don't know whether the upgrades for abilities are working, but the bugs are hardly game-breaking.

[CRISIS1717]

Persephone wrote...

CRISIS1717 wrote...

It's possible to get a measure of a game before you play it because there is so much game media out there.

I plan on putting up my review scores on meta and amazon at the lowest possible scoring. The difference between our opinions is that you see Dragon Age 2 as a harmless Apostate and I see it as an Abomination. =P

You trust in the media and premediate rating it as negatively as possible? Will you at least play it once/beat it once or are you doing this out of spite?

I have beaten the game and put about 38 hours into it, 38 hours of mediocre game and at parts it becomes so intensely boring I had to motivate myself to continue playing.