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[Rockpopple]

It actually makes me sad, too, but there's really nothing to be done for it. Just wait for something else shiny those losers can latch on to and try to destroy.

I just hope the Devs don't take any of the worst of it to heart. I really want a DA 3 with more improvements from DA 2, not a step back to DA:O. Or, heaven forbid, cancelling the DA series altogether.

I mean we all know ratings are a matter of opinion, but by any use of the word "common-sense" there is no way DA 2 is a below 5 game. People who want to rate it a 4, 3, 2, 1 out of 10 have no idea what they're doing. It's that simple. I've played a lot of games. I've played some great ones, and some broken ones. I've played games buggy and some broken. All of this influences whether a game gets a below 5 or not. Only the WORST of the WORST games get below 5.

Games that don't work as they should get below 5. Games that are broken and unplayable get below 5. Any reviewer worth his/her salt that gives a game below 5 goes through the myriad of technical failures that makes the game aggravating to play.

A game not living up to the high (Some would say, unrealistic) of a game of yesteryear does not get below 5. It's ridiculous.

But then again, those people are ridiculous. Don't let them try to convince you otherwise.

Modifié par Rockpopple, 17 mars 2011 - 01:55 .

[lazysuperstar]

I hope Bioware will take notice of genuine complaints and ignore those who rated it less than 5

[rob_k]

DariusKalera wrote...

I'm still trying to think of a quest in DA:O where I picked up a pair of pants in a dungeon and knew instinctively where to take them.  I lost count on how many times this quest variation was in game.

Only one that I can think of that's similar is the flower one at the beginning but then you had the rogue with you to explain it all so you knew to take the flower tot he mabari handler.

Fair point, but those are side-quests in DA 2. The secondary quests are more involved and tend to link in with the main plot.

[Valcutio]

CRISIS1717 wrote...

VictorianTrash wrote...

Let's just hope all the negativity doesn't kill the series entirely. I'd be absolutely distraught if DA got eradicated. But judging by all the bad press, I'm starting to think the series being killed is inevitable.

I'd rather have no DA3 at all if it's like DA2, it's an embarrassment, even poor developers aren't guilty of some of the stuff I've seen in DA2. 

Agreed. I'd rather have DAO stand on its own than to be associated with DA2.

[Maverick827]

DariusKalera wrote...

I'm still trying to think of a quest in DA:O where I picked up a pair of pants in a dungeon and knew instinctively where to take them.  I lost count on how many times this quest variation was in game.

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[NedPepper]

Marionetten wrote...

nedpepper wrote...

....but some of these people are taking it way too personal. It's really bizarre.

... Like getting hurt over reviews for a game by a company which you have no real part in, you mean?

Yes, I quite agree. It is bizarre.

Someone took that personal.  I'm not hurt, dude.  My concern is that all of that trolling will kill this franchise. And I enjoy spending my time playing the games.  And I also have issue with some of the complaints.  I don't believe half those people even played the game. 

I'll tell you another thing.  As a writer, myself, all I want is a fair review for my work. I'm pretty sure the folks at Bioware want the same. I don't think this game is getting that.  Just nerdrage of the most unhealthy kind. 

[Persephone]

Rockpopple wrote...

It actually makes me sad, too, but there's really nothing to be done for it. Just wait for something else shiny those losers can latch on to and try to destroy.

I just hope the Devs don't take any of the worst of it to heart. I really want a DA 3 with more improvements from DA 2, not a step back to DA:O. Or, heaven forbid, cancelling the DA series altogether.

I mean we all know ratings are a matter of opinion, but by any use of the word "common-sense" there is no way DA 2 is a below 5 game. People who want to rate it a 4, 3, 2, 1 out of 10 have no idea what they're doing. It's that simple. I've played a lot of games. I've played some great ones, and some broken ones. I've played games buggy and some broken. All of this influences whether a game gets a below 5 or not. Only the WORST of the WORST games get below 5.

Games that don't work as they should get below 5. Games that are broken and unplayable get below 5. Any reviewer worth his/her salt that gives a game below 5 goes through the myriad of technical failures that makes the game aggravating to play.

A game not living up to the high (Some would say, unrealistic) of a game of yesteryear does not get below 5. It's ridiculous.

But then again, those people are ridiculous. Don't let them try to convince you otherwise.

Well said. I guess there is truth in the old saying: There is no bad publicity.

It's just that I never would have expected this. I know about fandoms being self absorbed and entitled (Bioware seems to be very unlucky there), but it's been a while since I witnessed it first hand. I keep thinking: Why am I not seeing all the negatives? 

[rob_k]

nedpepper wrote...

Someone took that personal.  I'm not hurt, dude.  My concern is that all of that trolling will kill this franchise. And I enjoy spending my time playing the games.  And I also have issue with some of the complaints.  I don't believe half those people even played the game. 

I'll tell you another thing.  As a writer, myself, all I want is a fair review for my work. I'm pretty sure the folks at Bioware want the same. I don't think this game is getting that.  Just nerdrage of the most unhealthy kind. 

That's what it comes down to yeah. As a writer, I'm sure you know that critiques are supposed to be given respectfully as that's what we're taught. I've only said something was utter rubbish 'once' in around 6 years of writing fiction and frequenting writing forums (and that was only because I felt the individual was trolling etc.). A lot of the criticism given isn't done so respectfully.

I've said before people should write something and post it on a forum, then see how they feel when it gets called utter trite.

They wouldn't like it.

And as for people becoming upset over the bashing, I don't think Persephone meant he/she is actually 'upset'. Rather, she/he's dissapointed for BioWare. I can feel for others as well, even if it doesn't affect me personally. (I'd like to see the series continued though, so I guess you could say it does affect me in a way I suppose.)

They really don't deserve all of the bashing, even if the game isn't perfect, which it isn't. And most of what's said now was said before release. Even discarding that, people are constantly posting that DA 2 has failed and wishing that another game isn't made. It's taking things a 'tad' too far. (A massive understatement)

Modifié par rob_k, 17 mars 2011 - 02:17 .

[Rykoth]

The problem is bigger then just gamers unfortunately.

People in general are getting greedier, nastier, and more apt to screw each other over something stupid and small.

I recall a time where if you didn't like a game, you said so, people agreed to disagree, the people who liked it played it, and the people who didn't like it, didn't play it. Sure, there was feedback, and sometimes there were scathing reviews. But there's a far difference then a review that's honest, and fair that dismantles a game that is infact, horrible, and some punk pretending he's an actual critic while typing unfair and absolutely disgusting comments aimed at the game's developer.

I've noticed it on this forum (granted, I only came to the Bioware forums about 8 or so months ago as a lurker, I've always played their games) how the DA community went from respectful and nice during the wait for DA2, to spiteful despite the game not even being out yet, to outright disgusting and immature upon launch,

If you don't like the game, don't play it. Offer actual feedback.

People who go "lol ur just a Bioware fanboy" are likely 14 year olds who will never meet a woman/man outside of a video game that will be willing to befriend them or even go out with them, because if it isn't their way, they throw a temper tantrum.

[rob_k]

You know, a lot of it is because there are no real consequences either online for people. And it's the anonymous aspect.

Modifié par rob_k, 17 mars 2011 - 02:25 .

[james1976]

MOB_RULES wrote...

It's dog eat dog out there. always has been.

Just remember, "when it's dog eat dog you are what you eat just like the mad dog that bites the hand that feeds".



To the OP - I don't read replies to my reviews so I have no idea if anyone bashes what I've said in them for better or for worse.  I just write a review as I feel it deserves and leave.  I'm not one to care if someone else disagrees with me.   Don't really care if they agree either.  The review is my honest look and opinion of the product.  People who read reviews and opinions before they buy a product and look through all that stuff.  That's what they do anyway.

Modifié par james1976, 17 mars 2011 - 02:26 .

[AkiKishi]

Rockpopple wrote...
I mean we all know ratings are a matter of opinion, but by any use of the word "common-sense" there is no way DA 2 is a below 5 game. People who want to rate it a 4, 3, 2, 1 out of 10 have no idea what they're doing. It's that simple. I've played a lot of games. I've played some great ones, and some broken ones. I've played games buggy and some broken. All of this influences whether a game gets a below 5 or not. Only the WORST of the WORST games get below 5.

Ok heres why I rate DA as a 4.

1. Disconect with the PC. The lines indicated and the lines spoken are not the same. PC wanders off an does stuff I have no knowledge of until it pops up in the story. Act 1.
2. Wave upon wave of trash combat. Re-enforcements a lot of which appear from thing air with no lore rationale.
3. Characters are not as interesting, and they can only be spoken to when a game event permits it.
4. Ridiculous over use of scenery
5. The story skips mean that for 3 years I twiddle my thumbs doing who knows what ? I'm only allowed into the story when it's already to late to do anything meaningful to head off the disaster.

I started at 9 which is base AAA rating and knocked a point off for each

Modifié par BobSmith101, 17 mars 2011 - 02:29 .

[Rockpopple]

^ Ridiculous. It's folly to knock off a full point for each of those nitpicks out of a 10 point rating. By that logic the game should be rated out of 50, or maybe even 100.

You're just not being serious. But it's a free world and you're entitled to your opinion, as ridiculous as it is.

[Silencer81]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...
I mean we all know ratings are a matter of opinion, but by any use of the word "common-sense" there is no way DA 2 is a below 5 game. People who want to rate it a 4, 3, 2, 1 out of 10 have no idea what they're doing. It's that simple. I've played a lot of games. I've played some great ones, and some broken ones. I've played games buggy and some broken. All of this influences whether a game gets a below 5 or not. Only the WORST of the WORST games get below 5.

Ok heres why I rate DA as a 4.

1. Disconect with the PC. The lines indicated and the lines spoken are not the same. PC wanders off an does stuff I have no knowledge of until it pops up in the story. Act 1.
2. Wave upon wave of trash combat. Re-enforcements a lot of which appear from thing air with no lore rationale.
3. Characters are not as interesting, and they can only be spoken to when a game event permits it.
4. Ridiculous over use of scenery
5. The story skips mean that for 3 years I twiddle my thumbs doing who knows what ? I'm only allowed into the story when it's already to late to do anything meaningful to head off the disaster.

I started at 9 which is base AAA rating and knocked a point off for each

1. Maybe you are reading it wrong ?
2. It makes fight more interesting - a bit silly but you are overreacting I think.
3. I think that here your merry band is more lively than in DAO.
4. We can't argue about that.
5. I think it is normal in every story telling. Even in books story fast forwards in time.

You just mentioned only flawes, there are things in this game that makes it better then predecesor.

Modifié par Silencer81, 17 mars 2011 - 02:42 .

[Kohaku]

I doubt it'll really make much of a difference. Unless I'm wrong, Bioware will continue to make the games they want to make. I doubt this will be the end of the Dragon Age Series but to be honest some of the criticism is warranted. Mike Laidlaw even said he wants to find out where they went wrong because he thought it would be received better than it has. It's not like they are blind to what people are saying. However, I think people on both sides are going overboard just a wee bit overboard.

Modifié par Kerridan Kaiba, 17 mars 2011 - 02:50 .

[Funker Shepard]

DariusKalera wrote...
I'm still trying to think of a quest in DA:O where I picked up a pair of pants in a dungeon and knew instinctively where to take them.  I lost count on how many times this quest variation was in game.

Only one that I can think of that's similar is the flower one at the beginning but then you had the rogue with you to explain it all so you knew to take the flower tot he mabari handler.

I haven't played DAO in over six  months (just Awakening and DLC), so the only one I can think of without looking up is Fazzil's Request. Which, sure, you can also get from the job board.

Of course, if you wanted to be hardcore, you could turn off the quest markers (it's in the options menu), and keep asking everybody if they'd lost something. Makes a lot more sense that way!

Edit: I thought that quest had been fixed, but apparently the alternative way of starting it is still bugged. The reason why I remembered it.

Edit2: Thanks Maverick827 for posting a more comprehensive list!

Modifié par Funker Shepard, 17 mars 2011 - 02:52 .

[AkiKishi]

Silencer81 wrote...
1. Maybe you are reading it wrong ?
2. It makes fight more interesting - a bit silly but you are overreacting I think.
3. I think that here your merry band is more lively than in DAO.
4. We can't argue about that.
5. I think it is normal in every story telling. Even in books story fast forwards in time.

You just mentioned only flawes, there are things in this game that makes it better then predecesor.

1. No if you click "I want to be a dragon". The character does not say "I want to be a dragon".
2. Things appearing out of thin air break immersion unless there is a reason for them to do so. It also makes a mockary of "tactics".
3. Then you never paid attention in DA. In DA2 they get less lines and you can only talk to them when the game allows.
4. Re-use to that extent has no excuses.
5. Point is what is the character doing for 3 years while the situation gets to the point of no return? That's just very forced railroading at it's worst.

[Noviere]

Proviant_germany wrote...
Also, you can bash DA 2 withoud playing it. In fact most of our wisdom is coming from reading, reading books for example, reading this post, reading ratings => making an own opinion.

Giving your opinion about something without having purchased and played it is fine... I guess. I don't see the point of it, but some people have less interesting lives I suppose.

Assigning a rating to it, and posting it as a review however is completely unhelpful. It just seems spiteful and childish.

Modifié par Noviere, 17 mars 2011 - 03:02 .

[Edje Edgar]

Ratings don't work, especially if they can be given by anyone. Unfortunately 99% of the worlds population consists of smallminded morons with strong opinions.

The amount of people bashing this game because it didnt turn out exactly as THEY had envisioned it, is just nauseating. How selfcentered can you be. A game needs to be graded on its merits and flaws. Measuring it against your own rediculous expectations is just tremendously childish.

All I see around me is angry children having a tantrum cause daddy bioware took away their companion armour or race selection. People claiming to rate it as low as possible because the game is an 'abomination', really? This game is the worst you've seen this decade? Or are you just dissapointed and incapable of dealing with this like a normal person?

Even though I feel some of the criticism is justified Im almost hoping bioware ignores it just so the pathetic whiny fools crying for blood don't get their way.

And to all the hardcore rpg fans that are outraged over bioware trying to snare the casual gamer. Your response has truly revealed your true colours. If I was a hardcore rpg fan I'd now be ashamed to say it. No small wonder why noone's trying to appease you lot these days.

[Captain Iglo]

lazysuperstar wrote...

I hope Bioware will take notice of genuine complaints and ignore those who rated it less than 5

I hope no game company that exists takes anything from the interent serious.

Modifié par Captain Iglo, 17 mars 2011 - 03:10 .

[Silencer81]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Silencer81 wrote...
1. Maybe you are reading it wrong ?
2. It makes fight more interesting - a bit silly but you are overreacting I think.
3. I think that here your merry band is more lively than in DAO.
4. We can't argue about that.
5. I think it is normal in every story telling. Even in books story fast forwards in time.

You just mentioned only flawes, there are things in this game that makes it better then predecesor.

1. No if you click "I want to be a dragon". The character does not say "I want to be a dragon".
2. Things appearing out of thin air break immersion unless there is a reason for them to do so. It also makes a mockary of "tactics".
3. Then you never paid attention in DA. In DA2 they get less lines and you can only talk to them when the game allows.
4. Re-use to that extent has no excuses.
5. Point is what is the character doing for 3 years while the situation gets to the point of no return? That's just very forced railroading at it's worst.

1. You still don't get the Idea  of the short lines.
2. There are plenty of games that spawn enemies behind you even if you have been there and only here I see complaint about it.
3. Wow you could talk to them specific dialogs until you have progressed further and also you could ask them same topic over and over again and they acted like you were asking the first time. I think that conversations in DA2 are more natural. I am ocasionaly playing DA:O and passing again some dialogs with Wynne or Alistar makes mi sick.
4. Like I said before - we can't argue about that
5. You know you are playing a story that is being told. Just imagine  - Varric was doing some of his brother business and didn't know what Hawke was doing or wasn't that interested. This is this part of story telling that is left for player / reader to fill out, unless later in the game tells, ask you about it.

[DariusKalera]

Funker Shepard wrote...

DariusKalera wrote...
I'm still trying to think of a quest in DA:O where I picked up a pair of pants in a dungeon and knew instinctively where to take them.  I lost count on how many times this quest variation was in game.

Only one that I can think of that's similar is the flower one at the beginning but then you had the rogue with you to explain it all so you knew to take the flower tot he mabari handler.

I haven't played DAO in over six  months (just Awakening and DLC), so the only one I can think of without looking up is Fazzil's Request. Which, sure, you can also get from the job board.

Of course, if you wanted to be hardcore, you could turn off the quest markers (it's in the options menu), and keep asking everybody if they'd lost something. Makes a lot more sense that way!

Edit: I thought that quest had been fixed, but apparently the alternative way of starting it is still bugged. The reason why I remembered it.

Edit2: Thanks Maverick827 for posting a more comprehensive list!

In the "Friends of Red Jenny" you are told where the box needs to go by finding a note when you are ambushed.

In both the Drake scale and Dragon Scale quests, if you talk to Wade before you even get those things, he will say that if you find any rare materials, he can make armor out of them. 

In "The Missionary", the note gives you directions to the chest.

"Last Will and Testament"  The will tells you to seek out the wife in Redcliffe and even gives you her name.

"A Fallen Templar" Ok, this one is close, but the quest does not say "Return to Ser Donnell".  I'm fairly certain that it says "Ask someone in the Chantry about the locket."  When you do, eventually you find Ser Donnell and tell him about his friend.

"An Admirable Topsider"  If you have the hilt and pommel they don't tell you to take them to the grave.  You find the grave, activate the quest, at which point you are told to bring the peices there.

"Asunder"  Ok, this is the only one, from what I can tell, the you magically know where the Alter is.

Point I am making is that in all of these (but one), you are told by something you pick up where the item  needs go, who it goes to, and where they are.

In DA2, there are numerous quests where you find "X" item and the journal automatically says "Take it to "Y" Person in "Z" Area."  Now, if you found a note or something with that, for example, bottle of wine telling you who the owner was and where they were it'd be different.  But you don't.

[CRISIS1717]

If the game was alright you wouldn't see this extent of back lash.

Gamers are extremists they either vote very high or very low and it just so happens there is enough disappointment to make the ratings for this game hit rock bottom so it looks like you are the ones in the minority.

[Rockpopple]

Bullcrap. According to what? the 0, 1, 2, 3s out of 10s on Metacritic?

User reviews on many other websites are much more in-line with the general feeling about the game. But we should feel like we're in the minority because a bunch of trolls and their sockpuppets have no lives?

Brilliant.

[DariusKalera]

Rockpopple wrote...

^ Ridiculous. It's folly to knock off a full point for each of those nitpicks out of a 10 point rating. By that logic the game should be rated out of 50, or maybe even 100.

You're just not being serious. But it's a free world and you're entitled to your opinion, as ridiculous as it is.

Then what, in your mind, would be a reason for a good full point knock off?