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[AkiKishi]

Silencer81 wrote...
1. You still don't get the Idea  of the short lines.
2. There are plenty of games that spawn enemies behind you even if you have been there and only here I see complaint about it.
3. Wow you could talk to them specific dialogs until you have progressed further and also you could ask them same topic over and over again and they acted like you were asking the first time. I think that conversations in DA2 are more natural. I am ocasionaly playing DA:O and passing again some dialogs with Wynne or Alistar makes mi sick.
4. Like I said before - we can't argue about that
5. You know you are playing a story that is being told. Just imagine  - Varric was doing some of his brother business and didn't know what Hawke was doing or wasn't that interested. This is this part of story telling that is left for player / reader to fill out, unless later in the game tells, ask you about it.

1.Of course I get the idea of short lines. That does not change the point or why I don't like them.
2.Behind yes, on top of out of thin air... No can't think of any.
3. So ? you could still talk to them, whether they had anything new or not to say does not change that.
4. Agreed.
5. So what was Hawke doing for 3 years? Yes you are playing a story, but a story based on events that happened.
In both Chapter2 and 3 you can see how things are going to go. But you are taken out of action by a time skip until a point where what you do can has no real effect.

Let's take the annoying holy sister I meet her in chapter 1.She sets me up. In the room are her and her bodyguard. Why could I not just gut her then and leave the bodies with those bandits from earlier? 

The only reason is that she needs to show up later.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 17 mars 2011 - 03:46 .

[Rockpopple]

The recycled areas, for one.

But saying you think the companions don't talk as much as they do in Origins (which is false, btw) is purely subjective. Taking a full point off for that out of a 10 review is ridiculous. I mean, you're basically starting off with the premise that the game is flawless, then you're nocking of 10% for each little nitpick you can find. Really?

Disconnect with the PC? You've known for at least a year you're playing the story of a voiced character. You're gonna take a full 10% off for that AND the fact that there are time-skips? So out of a possible 10, now it can only get an 8. For that.

Characters not as interesting? Again, purely subjective. A lot of people find the characters as engaging or more than in Origins, but in any case, a full 10% off for that?

And then a phantom 10% off for... what, the fact that no game is perfect?

If I was going to take his criticsm, but rate the game in a realistic manner, I'd start off at 9 since apparently no game deserves a 10, take off 1 for the scenery, 1 for the "trash mobs", and .5 for his other nitpicks. That'd make the game what, 5.5 - 6 out of 10?

Still not a great review, going by his complaints, but MUCH more realistic than 4 out of 10. 5-6 means you think the game is poor or average and people should rent or not buy it. 4 means you think the game is garbage and NOBODY else should like it.

[billy the squid]

Persephone wrote...

I think it's rather tragic to read what's going on there. Now, I am not saying that it isn't justified to write negative reviews, that's perfectly within people's rights. But the abuse the game, Bioware and those who dared to voice a positive opinion on there are enduring is downright shameful. I know this happens around release days and maybe I'm just too sensitive but it just makes me terribly sad. I am a huge Bioware fan, I love pretty much all of their games (Except DAA) .........to see the fanbase I'm a part of acting in such a fashion....I dunno. It's terrible. Reading about people who never even played it bashing DA2 "on principle", positive reviews being attacked.....isn't that going a bit too far?

No not really, its harsh, but not unduly unfair. The game was rushed and it has been poorly done, especially when compaired to its predecessor and after the media fiasco of employee's apparently boosting metacritic scores, compounded by EA ham handedly stating its okay, its whats done in the industry, Issues of secure rom being present which have appeared, (I can't really comment to much as I own DA 2 on the 360) 
 
Developer, Mr. Laidlaw being  dismissive of criticism "Wow, this is just too different and I cannot handle it." I'm not entirely suprised that the game is getting quite a bit of falk. He had every right to defend DA 2, but it could probably have been handled a bit better

The poor user score on metacritic, on all 3 platforms, even when comparing it to ME 2 which recieved complaints for the change and streamlining to ME 1, already an action RPG, garned very positive review scores seems strange. So insinuating that the negative criticism is due to trolling or the fact that fans of the origins couldn't handle it and as such are being entirely unreasonable tends to lead to a rather vocal reaction.  Ithough this was quite funny.

The the crux of the matter is that DA origins sold just over 4 million copies across platforms, more than any other Boiware game except ME 2, surely they must have been doing something right? so butchering it in some vain attemt to appeal to FPS gamers without much thought as to whether it would fit the style and type of game, or if their original fanbase would enjoy it, is not a fantastic idea, it appears to smack of, "well they did this in ME 2 and it worked so lets do the same here"

The problem appears to be that DA 2 is poor, when it had the potential to be so much better. I like RPG's, but i dabble in FPS, multiplayer only. My brother on the other hand enjoys FPS, but rarely plays RPGs, neither of us feel DA 2 is particularly good at appealing to both types of gamers, where in lies the problem.

[Jman5]

It seems like almost every 0/10 review has only one review on the entire website. (or 3 copy/pasting on the PC, 360, and PS3 of DA2)

[CRISIS1717]

Just submitted my Meta review of 1/10, I didn't want to give them such a low score but my disappointment and irritation at this hamstrung game overcast anything I liked about it. 

[johook213]

CRISIS1717 wrote...

I'd rather have no DA3 at all if it's like DA2, it's an embarrassment, even poor developers aren't guilty of some of the stuff I've seen in DA2. 

That's rather selfish of you.  If DA3 comes out, you do not have to buy it.  Simply move on and ignore it.  However, for us fans who still love the DA games, well, having the series cancelled leaves us with nothing.  I for one, still love the Dragon Age series. I like DA2, and I want the series to continue.  It doesn't take anything away from you. >.>

[AkiKishi]

Rockpopple wrote...

The recycled areas, for one.

But saying you think the companions don't talk as much as they do in Origins (which is false, btw) is purely subjective. Taking a full point off for that out of a 10 review is ridiculous. I mean, you're basically starting off with the premise that the game is flawless, then you're nocking of 10% for each little nitpick you can find. Really?

Disconnect with the PC? You've known for at least a year you're playing the story of a voiced character. You're gonna take a full 10% off for that AND the fact that there are time-skips? So out of a possible 10, now it can only get an 8. For that.

Characters not as interesting? Again, purely subjective. A lot of people find the characters as engaging or more than in Origins, but in any case, a full 10% off for that?

And then a phantom 10% off for... what, the fact that no game is perfect?

If I was going to take his criticsm, but rate the game in a realistic manner, I'd start off at 9 since apparently no game deserves a 10, take off 1 for the scenery, 1 for the "trash mobs", and .5 for his other nitpicks. That'd make the game what, 5.5 - 6 out of 10?

Still not a great review, going by his complaints, but MUCH more realistic than 4 out of 10. 5-6 means you think the game is poor or average and people should rent or not buy it. 4 means you think the game is garbage and NOBODY else should like it.

A review is purely subjective. DA2 just happened to be one of those unfortunate games that did a lot of things I loathe in a game in the same package.

Anything between 4-8 is fine by me.

[johook213]

I looked on metacritic and there are more 0/10 than anything. >.>

Honestly.... DA2 is nowhere near a 0/10. I'd give it a 8 at the lowest. lol

But like I have mentioned in another thread, I couldn't even finish Morrowind... with it's copy and pasted dialogue, NPCs without a shred of personality, playing a character who i just couldn't develop and give any life too (and if you want to see some truely ugly elves... oh gosh..) and that game is revered by many RPG fans. >.>

To each his own people. So you didn't get what you wanted. Move on. Why try to destroy the Dragon Age franchise? I do not get it. Makes me a sad panda.

[laughwithme]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Let's take the annoying holy sister I meet her in chapter 1.She sets me up. In the room are her and her bodyguard. Why could I not just gut her then and leave the bodies with those bandits from earlier? 

The only reason is that she needs to show up later.

I wanted to kill Bann Teagan when I fisrt meet him, and I couldn't. Still can't he'll haunt me forever.

[johook213]

Jman5 wrote...

It seems like almost every 0/10 review has only one review on the entire website. (or 3 copy/pasting on the PC, 360, and PS3 of DA2)

I noticed this also.  Almost everyone who gave the game a 0/10 posted the exact same review across all three platforms.  It is a deliberate act of sabotage and defamation.  Some articles that have popped up have pointed this out, so I am hoping that this game remains successful despite these acts.  I want Dragon Age to live on. ^^

[CRISIS1717]

johook213 wrote...

Jman5 wrote...

It seems like almost every 0/10 review has only one review on the entire website. (or 3 copy/pasting on the PC, 360, and PS3 of DA2)

I noticed this also.  Almost everyone who gave the game a 0/10 posted the exact same review across all three platforms.  It is a deliberate act of sabotage and defamation.  Some articles that have popped up have pointed this out, so I am hoping that this game remains successful despite these acts.  I want Dragon Age to live on. ^^

Actually I only just signed up about a day ago just to post my 1/10 review that Dragon Age 2 is disappointing. I haven't posted it on the other platform games but thanks for the idea! 

Hopefully fans of the series will find my review helpful in considering Dragon Age 2.

[DariusKalera]

Rockpopple wrote...

The recycled areas, for one.

But saying you think the companions don't talk as much as they do in Origins (which is false, btw) is purely subjective. Taking a full point off for that out of a 10 review is ridiculous. I mean, you're basically starting off with the premise that the game is flawless, then you're nocking of 10% for each little nitpick you can find. Really?

Disconnect with the PC? You've known for at least a year you're playing the story of a voiced character. You're gonna take a full 10% off for that AND the fact that there are time-skips? So out of a possible 10, now it can only get an 8. For that.

Characters not as interesting? Again, purely subjective. A lot of people find the characters as engaging or more than in Origins, but in any case, a full 10% off for that?

And then a phantom 10% off for... what, the fact that no game is perfect?

If I was going to take his criticsm, but rate the game in a realistic manner, I'd start off at 9 since apparently no game deserves a 10, take off 1 for the scenery, 1 for the "trash mobs", and .5 for his other nitpicks. That'd make the game what, 5.5 - 6 out of 10?

Still not a great review, going by his complaints, but MUCH more realistic than 4 out of 10. 5-6 means you think the game is poor or average and people should rent or not buy it. 4 means you think the game is garbage and NOBODY else should like it.

The problem that I had with the companions was that I was basicly stuck with the same ones through out the game unless it happened to be a quest where I had to take someone.

Tank: Aveline
Healer: Anders
Other DPS:  Varric or Isabela just so I can open chests/disarm traps.

I would have liked to take Merril and Fenris along on some more missions but I didn't have the party space.  As such, a disconnect formed.  This is on top of not being able to customize them with gear I found.  Going along with this was the fact that certain trees were blocked from certain companions.  So no making Fenris a tank or Merril a healer.   Doing so makes them more "mine" and easier to care about them.  This, "Everyone gets their own look." crud was annoying for me in ME2 and more so now since BW decided to do it again.  (I'm still curious on how Miranda survived on a chlorine gas planet with a just a breathing mask and no eye protection.)

At times, I would connect with my toon, however those were usually brief moments before something in game would snap me out of it and break immersion.  Usually a repeat map or mob wave that I would explode into red mist.

I personally would say this game is a 6/10 becuase of the maps, mobs, and all the things i felt were wrong about the companions. 

The story, while there (I had no real problems with the time jumps) did not, to me, compensate for all of the drawbacks that I felt were int he game.

[AkiKishi]

johook213 wrote...

Jman5 wrote...

It seems like almost every 0/10 review has only one review on the entire website. (or 3 copy/pasting on the PC, 360, and PS3 of DA2)

I noticed this also.  Almost everyone who gave the game a 0/10 posted the exact same review across all three platforms.  It is a deliberate act of sabotage and defamation.  Some articles that have popped up have pointed this out, so I am hoping that this game remains successful despite these acts.  I want Dragon Age to live on. ^^

I think that was done as reaction to the reviews in PCGamers and that other place that gave it 10/10 and even said there was an autoattack option in the review , which the reviewer chose not to use.

[Rawke]

Whatever happened to "to each his own"? I mean, it's one thing to voice a negative opinion (as long as it's supported by valid arguements), but I think there are more than a few people that are aggressively bashing positive reviews and verbally attack people who voice a positive opinion is just low. I enjoyed DA2. I'm not the biggest RPG-fan, and this is the first RPG where I actually tried to achive a perfect playthrough and then play again with a different character. I can see why DA2 may not appeal to hardcore-RPG-fans, but does that give those people the right to deny and nullify other people's opinions?

As always, those who shout the loudest are heard. Doesn't make them right.

[MDT1]

As customer who spent 45€ for the sequel of a game I absolutly loved I think I have the right to state that buying and playing this game through was a total waste of time and money to me as it evolved in a direction I can't appreciate at all.
But you are right, simply ranting about anyone who likes the game is as useless as trying to persuade people to enjoy a game they don't like.

Modifié par MDT1, 17 mars 2011 - 04:48 .

[lazysuperstar]

Luckily, most people don't take 0,1, and 10 ratings seriously. so no harm done

[johook213]

There are people who have outright said that they want the Dragon Age franchise to die if this is the direction it is going in. And I believe that is what they are trying to do. I have never in my life been that angry over a video game. lol. I've come across games that I don't like plenty of times, and I move on. I don't buy the sequels, but I don't go and try to destroy the game's name. Heck, there probably are people who like the game. We all like different things and we all have different opinions people.

Seriously, I don't like Star Wars, and I am not a sci-fi fan, so if I rated KOTOR or ME1/2 based on my personal preferences alone, I would have to give them a 0 or a 1. It would have nothing to do with how good or bad the games were. I just don't get into those types of games. And this is exactly what people are doing with DA2.

[catofnine]

Persephone wrote...
I think it's rather tragic to read what's going on there. Now, I am not saying that it isn't justified to write negative reviews, that's perfectly within people's rights. But the abuse the game, Bioware and those who dared to voice a positive opinion on there are enduring is downright shameful. I know this happens around release days and maybe I'm just too sensitive but it just makes me terribly sad. I am a huge Bioware fan, I love pretty much all of their games (Except DAA) .........to see the fanbase I'm a part of acting in such a fashion....I dunno. It's terrible. Reading about people who never even played it bashing DA2 "on principle", positive reviews being attacked.....isn't that going a bit too far?

Eh, I wouldn't give those naysayers that kind of power really.  I'll consider the well articulated criticisms and can agree with some of them, but their nitpicks do not affect the way I judge a developer's offerings.  The ones who are clearly trolling do it because they can and know they won't be held accountable.

Bioware isn't going to stop making games because some people hate a title.  They'll can a series if they can't make a living with it.  They've got to keep the lights on somehow.

I'd stop reading those reviews entirely.  Or any kind of negativity that has already been said ad nauseum. 

Why would you want to keep on swimming in their sewage?

Modifié par catofnine, 17 mars 2011 - 04:57 .

[lazysuperstar]

johook213 wrote...

There are people who have outright said that they want the Dragon Age franchise to die if this is the direction it is going in. And I believe that is what they are trying to do. I have never in my life been that angry over a video game. lol. I've come across games that I don't like plenty of times, and I move on. I don't buy the sequels, but I don't go and try to destroy the game's name. Heck, there probably are people who like the game. We all like different things and we all have different opinions people.

Seriously, I don't like Star Wars, and I am not a sci-fi fan, so if I rated KOTOR or ME1/2 based on my personal preferences alone, I would have to give them a 0 or a 1. It would have nothing to do with how good or bad the games were. I just don't get into those types of games. And this is exactly what people are doing with DA2.

Wanting a franchisee to die just because they didn't like the game is extremely selfish. Why not just consider it dead and not buy it - And let those who like it play?

[Rockpopple]

BobSmith101 wrote...

johook213 wrote...

Jman5 wrote...

It seems like almost every 0/10 review has only one review on the entire website. (or 3 copy/pasting on the PC, 360, and PS3 of DA2)

I noticed this also.  Almost everyone who gave the game a 0/10 posted the exact same review across all three platforms.  It is a deliberate act of sabotage and defamation.  Some articles that have popped up have pointed this out, so I am hoping that this game remains successful despite these acts.  I want Dragon Age to live on. ^^

I think that was done as reaction to the reviews in PCGamers and that other place that gave it 10/10 and even said there was an autoattack option in the review , which the reviewer chose not to use.

Ha. If that's the case then that's a sick rationalization.

And 1/10 isn't stating "disappointment" it's stating that the game is a crime against humanity.

Ugh. People. <_<

[MDT1]

johook213 wrote...

There are people who have outright said that they want the Dragon Age franchise to die if this is the direction it is going in. And I believe that is what they are trying to do. I have never in my life been that angry over a video game. lol. I've come across games that I don't like plenty of times, and I move on. I don't buy the sequels, but I don't go and try to destroy the game's name. Heck, there probably are people who like the game. We all like different things and we all have different opinions people.

Seriously, I don't like Star Wars, and I am not a sci-fi fan, so if I rated KOTOR or ME1/2 based on my personal preferences alone, I would have to give them a 0 or a 1. It would have nothing to do with how good or bad the games were. I just don't get into those types of games. And this is exactly what people are doing with DA2.

The problem with DA2 is extreme as many people hoped DA could be the revival of classic RPGs which seem to disappear slowly from the market but now DA2 goes in a completly other direction.

[AkiKishi]

johook213 wrote...

There are people who have outright said that they want the Dragon Age franchise to die if this is the direction it is going in. And I believe that is what they are trying to do. I have never in my life been that angry over a video game. lol. I've come across games that I don't like plenty of times, and I move on. I don't buy the sequels, but I don't go and try to destroy the game's name. Heck, there probably are people who like the game. We all like different things and we all have different opinions people.

Seriously, I don't like Star Wars, and I am not a sci-fi fan, so if I rated KOTOR or ME1/2 based on my personal preferences alone, I would have to give them a 0 or a 1. It would have nothing to do with how good or bad the games were. I just don't get into those types of games. And this is exactly what people are doing with DA2.

It's interesting that so many people are doing this. There is a lot of anger at DA2 not just for the game itself but how the game was marketed. Users tend to take those things into account reviewers don't. Reveiws also very rarely mention bugs if you notice.

Some people may just look at the 1 city + recycled enviroments and wonder what they paid $60 for.

Rockpopple wrote...
Ha. If that's the case then that's a sick rationalization.

And 1/10 isn't stating "disappointment" it's stating that the game is a crime against humanity.

Ugh. People. 

Until news of lack of auto attack got out the rating was mostly on the PC side. Once word got around about missing autoattack and how it was announced the console ratings dropped. Even more so after whatever that magazine was that mentioned it was there but not used.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 17 mars 2011 - 04:59 .

[EmperorZorn]

I think the criticism is 100% legit.

Bioware did what they could, but with such a short development time even the best developer couldnt deliver.

Considering what they did in such a short period of time its amazing ; I blame the publisher pushing for the release date, but also the person that decided that it was realistic and doable to develop an epic Bioware RPG in less than one year.

Modifié par EmperorZorn, 17 mars 2011 - 04:57 .

[Ronin2006]

lazysuperstar wrote...

johook213 wrote...

There are people who have outright said that they want the Dragon Age franchise to die if this is the direction it is going in. And I believe that is what they are trying to do. I have never in my life been that angry over a video game. lol. I've come across games that I don't like plenty of times, and I move on. I don't buy the sequels, but I don't go and try to destroy the game's name. Heck, there probably are people who like the game. We all like different things and we all have different opinions people.

Seriously, I don't like Star Wars, and I am not a sci-fi fan, so if I rated KOTOR or ME1/2 based on my personal preferences alone, I would have to give them a 0 or a 1. It would have nothing to do with how good or bad the games were. I just don't get into those types of games. And this is exactly what people are doing with DA2.

Wanting a franchisee to die just because they didn't like the game is extremely selfish. Why not just consider it dead and not buy it - And let those who like it play?

I think the anger stems from the fact that many people who enjoyed the first game pre-ordered or bought Dragon Age 2 as an act of good faith to Bioware due to their previous positive experiences.  It was a case of brand loyalty stemming from good game design and value for money.

However the loyalty from the consumers to the company wasn't reciprocated.  While customers showed loyalty to Bioware and expected another high quality product in the same vein as previous Bioware releases, they were instead given something that was designed for a different audience entirely.

[johook213]

Bioware made it very clear that DA2 was going in a new direction. They stated that DA:O didn't translate well to consoles, and they aimed to change that with DA2. I know for a fact they made that very clear. I wasn't suprised or let down at all.