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[lazysuperstar]

Ronin2006 wrote...

I think the anger stems from the fact that many people who enjoyed the first game pre-ordered or bought Dragon Age 2 as an act of good faith to Bioware due to their previous positive experiences.  It was a case of brand loyalty stemming from good game design and value for money.

However the loyalty from the consumers to the company wasn't reciprocated.  While customers showed loyalty to Bioware and expected another high quality product in the same vein as previous Bioware releases, they were instead given something that was designed for a different audience entirely.

But many (including me) who liked DA:Origins also like DA 2. And we want the series to continue. Deliberately sabotaging that just because they didn't like this game, just because they didn't think it was high quality  - I find that selfish. That is a rejected lover behaviour:huh:

[aftohsix]

I agree that the over-reaction is impressive.

On a side note can anyone let me know if I block somebody on here will I still see posts they've made? It would really help me to filter the people who have constructive opinions and are capable of mature discussion and people who blindly hate the game like BobSmith or Crisis.

[DariusKalera]

johook213 wrote...

Bioware made it very clear that DA2 was going in a new direction. They stated that DA:O didn't translate well to consoles, and they aimed to change that with DA2. I know for a fact they made that very clear. I wasn't suprised or let down at all.

Youa re assuming that is why people are angry.  I knew it was going in a different direction story wise and I knew that it was going to be marketed a bit more to consoles.  It didn't really bother me.

What bothers me is the repetative dungeons and quests, the lack of companion customization, endless beaming trash mobs, lack of main character customization, over the top mob fights, and a host of other things that, if I had known about beforehand, I would never have bought the game.

Lets be perfectly honest, how many people, if they had actually known about all of the above, would have still bought the game?

I am bothered, not because they took things in a new direction, but because they put out a very sub par game

Modifié par DariusKalera, 17 mars 2011 - 05:25 .

[AkiKishi]

aftohsix wrote...

I agree that the over-reaction is impressive.

On a side note can anyone let me know if I block somebody on here will I still see posts they've made? It would really help me to filter the people who have constructive opinions and are capable of mature discussion and people who blindly hate the game like BobSmith or Crisis.

Do you not read or something ? I've given reasons why DA2 fails for me.

[aftohsix]

BobSmith101 wrote...

aftohsix wrote...

I agree that the over-reaction is impressive.

On a side note can anyone let me know if I block somebody on here will I still see posts they've made? It would really help me to filter the people who have constructive opinions and are capable of mature discussion and people who blindly hate the game like BobSmith or Crisis.

Do you not read or something ? I've given reasons why DA2 fails for me.

Yep I can still see it...  Thanks for the answer Bob.

[Vicious]

Nothing but a spoiled and pretentious fanbase at work.

[AkiKishi]

aftohsix wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

aftohsix wrote...

I agree that the over-reaction is impressive.

On a side note can anyone let me know if I block somebody on here will I still see posts they've made? It would really help me to filter the people who have constructive opinions and are capable of mature discussion and people who blindly hate the game like BobSmith or Crisis.

Do you not read or something ? I've given reasons why DA2 fails for me.

Yep I can still see it...  Thanks for the answer Bob.

Sticking your fingers in your ears to avoid things you don't like is quite immature.

[misterdde]

I just have a question for those you say they liked both game.

If dragon age 3 is more like dragon age Origin... will you buy it ?

And for all you didn't like da 2, if da3 is more like da2, will you buy it ?.

IMO, more people would be willing to buy an origin-axed game rather than an rise to power-axed game. And if it's the case, then you could understand the critic incredibly low. Sad yep but true. if the game would have been called rise to power without any reference to dragon age, it would have work much better and received objective criticism.

[aftohsix]

BobSmith101 wrote...

aftohsix wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

aftohsix wrote...

I agree that the over-reaction is impressive.

On a side note can anyone let me know if I block somebody on here will I still see posts they've made? It would really help me to filter the people who have constructive opinions and are capable of mature discussion and people who blindly hate the game like BobSmith or Crisis.

Do you not read or something ? I've given reasons why DA2 fails for me.

Yep I can still see it...  Thanks for the answer Bob.

Sticking your fingers in your ears to avoid things you don't like is quite immature.

Cool beans.  So is rating a game 0 on Metacritic because you didn't like it.

[johook213]

misterdde wrote...
 if the game would have been called rise to power without any reference to dragon age, it would have work much better and received objective criticism.

The game is still set during the Dragon Age.  I remember bioware making it VERY clear that the franchise would focus on many different stories of different events and people across Thedas set during the Dragon Age.  The title is fine.

[CRISIS1717]

aftohsix wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

aftohsix wrote...

I agree that the over-reaction is impressive.

On a side note can anyone let me know if I block somebody on here will I still see posts they've made? It would really help me to filter the people who have constructive opinions and are capable of mature discussion and people who blindly hate the game like BobSmith or Crisis.

Do you not read or something ? I've given reasons why DA2 fails for me.

Yep I can still see it...  Thanks for the answer Bob.

lol I've already posted before about my issues with this game. If by mature you mean people who only think the way you do go ahead and block me, and then you can discuss how great the game is despite the streamlining with people who agree with you. 

[Maleficent]

Maybe it fails for you but for many it doesn't.Does that make the rest of us that like the game stupid=no,does it mean the game sucks=no.Da2 was polarized way before launch and I for one am glad that I love it.It's not illusion or that I'm kidding myself here it's just they way I feel about it.Criticism is fair as long as it objectional and not based of fanboyism.I love Bioware but I don't kneel before them like some lap dog and drool.Yes DA2 has small small things I'd like to put back in there such as quick weapon swap but it's like looking at a painting or listening to a cd it's a fact that it's not gonna be everybody's cup of tea.

[james1976]

The only review I submitted was on metacritic and was a 7/10 for the PC. It's the only platform I own the game. But as I said in another thread I felt I was being generous with that and I am not judging the franchise as a whole. I still would not recommend this game to anyone I know personally.

[KJandrew]

It annoys me when people say that the metacritic ratings show that nearly everyone hates DA2. The vast majority of people who buy and play games don't go online and write a review for them, or talk about them on the forums. Most just play them and then move on

[Maleficent]

misterdde wrote...

I just have a question for those you say they liked both game.

If dragon age 3 is more like dragon age Origin... will you buy it ?

And for all you didn't like da 2, if da3 is more like da2, will you buy it ?.

IMO, more people would be willing to buy an origin-axed game rather than an rise to power-axed game. And if it's the case, then you could understand the critic incredibly low. Sad yep but true. if the game would have been called rise to power without any reference to dragon age, it would have work much better and received objective criticism.

So essentially what you are saying is that if DA2 did not have the dragon age name or didnt have 2 on the end of it the game would be great?!!???!! That beggers belief right there.Yes the 2 part is lost in the franchise it should have been called Dragon Age;....... however that makes no difference to the game.What gave Dragon Age;Origins it's name was of course the origins stories so that made sense for a title naming.But its very irrelevant really.

[CRISIS1717]

KJandrew wrote...

It annoys me when people say that the metacritic ratings show that nearly everyone hates DA2. The vast majority of people who buy and play games don't go online and write a review for them, or talk about them on the forums. Most just play them and then move on

But how do you know this for certain? how do you know that a lot of those people didn't just sign up to post their disapproval after playing the game? 

I have never had any interest in signing up to metacritic till now and that was after I had completed the game and judged it for myself and wanted to voice my disapproval for this game. Arguably it isn't as bad as a 0 or a 1 out of 10 but developers certainyl wouldn't see anything wrong if the games were just good and mixed reviews, so for people who think they are cheated and find it unacceptable they rate low. 

[Ronin2006]

johook213 wrote...

misterdde wrote...
 if the game would have been called rise to power without any reference to dragon age, it would have work much better and received objective criticism.

The game is still set during the Dragon Age.  I remember bioware making it VERY clear that the franchise would focus on many different stories of different events and people across Thedas set during the Dragon Age.  The title is fine.

I think you miss the point entirely.  The name 'Dragon Age' comes to represent more than just the setting but also the game mechanics and style of the series.  Take for example Call of Duty.  You could make another Call of Duty and it too could be a war game.  But if it was all of a sudden altered to be in the third person, but called Call of Duty 7 or something, people would be fuming.  This is because the earlier iterations of Call of Duty set a precedent for what the series is about.

A good example of this working is Halo Wars.  It's a different style of game completely to the rest of the series.  The different name differentiates it clearly.  If Halo Wars was called Halo 4 there would be an outcry.

[Maleficent]

jeez I can't even quote right!!<<<slap!

[Rockpopple]

CRISIS1717 wrote...

KJandrew wrote...

It annoys me when people say that the metacritic ratings show that nearly everyone hates DA2. The vast majority of people who buy and play games don't go online and write a review for them, or talk about them on the forums. Most just play them and then move on

But how do you know this for certain? how do you know that a lot of those people didn't just sign up to post their disapproval after playing the game? 

I have never had any interest in signing up to metacritic till now and that was after I had completed the game and judged it for myself and wanted to voice my disapproval for this game. Arguably it isn't as bad as a 0 or a 1 out of 10 but developers certainyl wouldn't see anything wrong if the games were just good and mixed reviews, so for people who think they are cheated and find it unacceptable they rate low. 

So if someone is mildly disappointed in a game, they should run to metacritic and give it a freakin' 1 or a 0 so that their voices get heard? That's like torching a great restaurant because their burger was a little dry.

Yeah, you're surely sending a message, alright: that you're a bunch of surly thumbsucking kids. Talk about infantile behaviour. Not surprising in the least.

Modifié par Rockpopple, 17 mars 2011 - 05:48 .

[GregoriusMaximus]

rob_k wrote...

These people should try writing something, posting it on a writing forum and seeing how it feels when someone comes and calls their work absolute rubbish etc.

They wouldn't like it.

It's what I've always gone on about. Having respect for the work of others. Few people seem to have said respect.

I suppose your mommy may have bought you your copy, but some of us paid for ours... If you pay for something and it sucks, you complain.

As for the OP's assertion that defenders of DA2 are being "attacked", I would put it to you that that pales in comparison to the lazy dismissal of critics as "trolls" or "elitists". How about these people accept that there's a very good reason people are bashing this game, else they wouldn't be doing it in such large numbers?

[KJandrew]

CRISIS1717 wrote...

KJandrew wrote...

It annoys me when people say that the metacritic ratings show that nearly everyone hates DA2. The vast majority of people who buy and play games don't go online and write a review for them, or talk about them on the forums. Most just play them and then move on

But how do you know this for certain? how do you know that a lot of those people didn't just sign up to post their disapproval after playing the game? 

I have never had any interest in signing up to metacritic till now and that was after I had completed the game and judged it for myself and wanted to voice my disapproval for this game. Arguably it isn't as bad as a 0 or a 1 out of 10 but developers certainyl wouldn't see anything wrong if the games were just good and mixed reviews, so for people who think they are cheated and find it unacceptable they rate low. 

Well seeing as it is at the top of the sales chart in the UK (not sure were it is in North America or elsewhere) But that's at least over a million people yet there's only 499 Metacritic reviews. I think i can kind of say for certain that the majority of the playerbase don't go online and write reviews for it

[rob_k]

Sadly, it seems only Game is listing DA 2 in either 1st or 2nd spot at the moment on their charts in the UK.

I did some digging earlier.

But, I did also see the site saying DA 2 is at the top of the charts.

http://www.joystiq.c...uk-sales-chart/

There are a few other articles as well. So, if the articles are still true, then a lot of the sales must come from websites I don't know of or from retailers where online sales don't count (i.e. ones posted to customers).

Modifié par rob_k, 17 mars 2011 - 06:25 .

[Athro]

rob_k wrote...

Sadly, it seems only Game is listing DA 2 in either 1st or 2nd spot at the moment on their charts in the UK.

I did some digging earlier.

But, I did also see the site saying DA 2 is at the top of the charts.

http://www.joystiq.c...uk-sales-chart/

There are a few other articles as well. So, if the articles are still true, then a lot of the sales must come from websites I don't know of or from retailers where online sales don't count (i.e. ones posted to customers).

The thing to remember is that online sales for most things tend to still only count for 15-20% of a retail business' sales unless they are something like Amazon. A majority of the populace still buy from brick and mortar stores - so using Amazon or any other website will only give you a loose trend. They aren't heavily reliable sources for overall sales figures.

The real figures aren't likely to be known for a few months yet. Bioware will have a much better idea of how many units are shipping than we do.

From what I'm hearing - and based on the fact that all the local stores bought up large stock and have almost sold out to the point of reordering - DA2 is looking to be selling very well.

Remember FF13? The game a lot of fans panned and claimed was a failure? It sold 6 million copies despite rampant internet pessimism and there is a sequel on the way. The moral of the story? Don't trust the internet to always know how well a game is selling. In retail they have a saying - those who are unhappy tell 10 people, those who are happy tell 5. The negative opinions will always be the most vocal ones.

C.

[AtreiyaN7]

Proviant_germany wrote...

But, you are now attacking the negative reviewers, isn't you the same shameful beeing, we have to stop?

Also, you can bash DA 2 withoud playing it. In fact most of our wisdom is coming from reading, reading books for example, reading this post, reading ratings => making an own opinion.

Yes, well you don't write a review based on other people's opinions. That's ridiculous. If you write a review, you'd better have played the game, otherwise the only thing you're doing is making things up. That has to be one of the most flawed arguments I've ever read. You get to bash the game because you read what OTHER people have said? 
 

[rob_k]

Athro wrote...

rob_k wrote...

Sadly, it seems only Game is listing DA 2 in either 1st or 2nd spot at the moment on their charts in the UK.

I did some digging earlier.

But, I did also see the site saying DA 2 is at the top of the charts.

http://www.joystiq.c...uk-sales-chart/

There are a few other articles as well. So, if the articles are still true, then a lot of the sales must come from websites I don't know of or from retailers where online sales don't count (i.e. ones posted to customers).

The thing to remember is that online sales for most things tend to still only count for 15-20% of a retail business' sales unless they are something like Amazon. A majority of the populace still buy from brick and mortar stores - so using Amazon or any other website will only give you a loose trend. They aren't heavily reliable sources for overall sales figures.

The real figures aren't likely to be known for a few months yet. Bioware will have a much better idea of how many units are shipping than we do.

From what I'm hearing - and based on the fact that all the local stores bought up large stock and have almost sold out to the point of reordering - DA2 is looking to be selling very well.

Remember FF13? The game a lot of fans panned and claimed was a failure? It sold 6 million copies despite rampant internet pessimism and there is a sequel on the way. The moral of the story? Don't trust the internet to always know how well a game is selling. In retail they have a saying - those who are unhappy tell 10 people, those who are happy tell 5. The negative opinions will always be the most vocal ones.

C.

I'm certainly hoping that's the case, Athro, with regard to brick and mortar shops making up the bulk of copies sold. I did work in a retail shop ages ago (WHSmiths if you're in the UK), but I never really worked with the charts and such, so I basically have no idea how much difference there can be between online charts and brick and mortar shops.

I do definitely know that one online retailer can't be used as an example though (unlike others  ). I looked at Steam, Shopto, Play, Amazon and Game.

(I do know that earlier in the week, the sales were better on those sites as well.)

Modifié par rob_k, 17 mars 2011 - 06:49 .