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Aesieru wrote...
Galad22 wrote...
wssiimikeyii wrote...
So you're saying they should have made DA2 into a movie... and not let us control our character at all. I mean who cares about GAMEPLAY when you buy a videogame.
Why does everyone seems to think gameplay equals combat.
This is just not true.
Even at game-design school, which I tried out for a bit, it is a tenet of gameplay.
ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...
wssiimikeyii wrote...
Combat is an important part of the game, but not an essential part.
That's a contradiction.
Like a scottish-korean
And now we're back to whether or not you speak English. Important does not mean essential, and I was speaking of games in general, not DAII specifically. Since most fights in DAII are unavoidable, it obviously is necessary. But if it were avoidable, then it wouldn't be. And if there weren't any combat at all, it could still be a fantastic game, like many fantastic games that don't have any combat.
wssiimikeyii wrote...
Important-mattering much
essential- of the utmost importance
So... you're saying combat is important but isn't essential.
What is a fantastic game without combat?
Modifié par ishmaeltheforsaken, 17 mars 2011 - 05:29 .
ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...
wssiimikeyii wrote...
Important-mattering much
essential- of the utmost importance
So... you're saying combat is important but isn't essential.
What is a fantastic game without combat?
Myst and its sequels.
A really good PnP campaign.
Any game in the Sim franchise. (Or any city-building game, for that matter.)
KiddDaBeauty wrote...
I'm sure any sacrifice in the game isn't intended. If you just charge the soldiers at the other side, the results are often very similar, and that's the "strategy" the AI employs whether it's facing you in combat or if it's playing your game for you. And even if an auto-combat button would make a battle cost us one more health potion than otherwise in DA3, is that a bad feature?Aesieru wrote...
You sacrifice something for it, which is a point... an auto-battle is trying to actually get you to play the game instead of sacrificing so much when you might get through a battle with no damage whatsoever.
Skipping bosses I don't agree with though.
Also, the auto-battle idea is to save time in RTS's... not a feature for RPG's too much.
wssiimikeyii wrote...
ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...
wssiimikeyii wrote...
Important-mattering much
essential- of the utmost importance
So... you're saying combat is important but isn't essential.
What is a fantastic game without combat?
Myst and its sequels.
A really good PnP campaign.
Any game in the Sim franchise. (Or any city-building game, for that matter.)
Those are completely different genres.
The only game I'd accept as an RPG that's fantastic would be a puzzle/mystery one.
However DA is combat based as you're fighting the DARKSPAWN to save your world
Therefore combat=essential.
That's just bad AI though. An auto-battle feature that does a horrible job battling is just a badly designed feature =/Aesieru wrote...
I laughed at the whole charge to the end thing.
Point is that even in the game they set it that way so that you'll want to play it your own way outside of the use of auto battles.
In Star Wars Empire at War, using the "auto battle" is a death sentence as I always lose my heroes and some important ships... and that's a bad thing I have to unfortunately fight against, but for ground missions a lot of times I'll just build a TON of wasty ships so that I can auto battle them.
Modifié par KiddDaBeauty, 17 mars 2011 - 05:35 .
wssiimikeyii wrote...
Those are completely different genres.
The only game I'd accept as an RPG that's fantastic would be a puzzle/mystery one.
However DA is combat based as you're fighting the DARKSPAWN to save your world
Therefore combat=essential.
Lotto wrote...
this is the part where you give up trying to reason with someone incapable of being reasoned with.
Modifié par ishmaeltheforsaken, 17 mars 2011 - 05:35 .
Lotto wrote...
wssiimikeyii wrote...
ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...
wssiimikeyii wrote...
Important-mattering much
essential- of the utmost importance
So... you're saying combat is important but isn't essential.
What is a fantastic game without combat?
Myst and its sequels.
A really good PnP campaign.
Any game in the Sim franchise. (Or any city-building game, for that matter.)
Those are completely different genres.
The only game I'd accept as an RPG that's fantastic would be a puzzle/mystery one.
However DA is combat based as you're fighting the DARKSPAWN to save your world
Therefore combat=essential.
this is the part where you give up trying to reason with someone incapable of being reasoned with.
ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...
Lotto wrote...
this is the part where you give up trying to reason with someone incapable of being reasoned with.
Ha. Good one.
KiddDaBeauty wrote...
EDIT:That's just bad AI though. An auto-battle feature that does a horrible job battling is just a badly designed feature =/Aesieru wrote...
I laughed at the whole charge to the end thing.
Point is that even in the game they set it that way so that you'll want to play it your own way outside of the use of auto battles.
In Star Wars Empire at War, using the "auto battle" is a death sentence as I always lose my heroes and some important ships... and that's a bad thing I have to unfortunately fight against, but for ground missions a lot of times I'll just build a TON of wasty ships so that I can auto battle them.
wssiimikeyii wrote...
Lotto wrote...
wssiimikeyii wrote...
ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...
wssiimikeyii wrote...
Important-mattering much
essential- of the utmost importance
So... you're saying combat is important but isn't essential.
What is a fantastic game without combat?
Myst and its sequels.
A really good PnP campaign.
Any game in the Sim franchise. (Or any city-building game, for that matter.)
Those are completely different genres.
The only game I'd accept as an RPG that's fantastic would be a puzzle/mystery one.
However DA is combat based as you're fighting the DARKSPAWN to save your world
Therefore combat=essential.
this is the part where you give up trying to reason with someone incapable of being reasoned with.
Thanks for the tip.
the_one_54321 wrote...
Combat and conflict are not mutually inclusive. You can have a game without combat that still has much conflict.
To be fair, the original topic of discussion was almost exactly along the lines of "what is a game" and was only marginally related to DAII at all. Maybe we would be better off talking about it in off topic.Stanley Woo wrote...
If this is going to remain a "what is a game?" discussion, i'll have to ask y'all to head to the Off-Topic forum.
the_one_54321 wrote...
To be fair, the original topic of discussion was almost exactly along the lines of "what is a game" and was only marginally related to DAII at all. Maybe we would be better off talking about it in off topic.Stanley Woo wrote...
If this is going to remain a "what is a game?" discussion, i'll have to ask y'all to head to the Off-Topic forum.
moilami wrote...
You can also say you begin to focus on adventure games like good old Sierra did with Space Quests.
Funnily enough in Space Quests you could die in various hilarious ways and people considered it cool. In BW forums I once heard a spoonfed complaining and stating how it was bad design in BG when a nymph kissed you and you died
Well, what about the Fight like a Spartan thing that was promised to us? I seem to be fighting like Die Nasty Warriors.Stanley Woo wrote...
If this is going to remain a "what is a game?" discussion, i'll have to ask y'all to head to the Off-Topic forum.
Modifié par SirShreK, 17 mars 2011 - 05:54 .
the_one_54321 wrote...
To be fair, the original topic of discussion was almost exactly along the lines of "what is a game" and was only marginally related to DAII at all. Maybe we would be better off talking about it in off topic.Stanley Woo wrote...
If this is going to remain a "what is a game?" discussion, i'll have to ask y'all to head to the Off-Topic forum.
If there was ever a game where I actually wanted to skip the gameplay...88mphSlayer wrote...
Heavy Rain would appeal to her
SirShreK wrote...
Well, what about the Fight like a Spartan thing that was promised to us? I seem to be fighting like Die Nasty Warriors.Stanley Woo wrote...
If this is going to remain a "what is a game?" discussion, i'll have to ask y'all to head to the Off-Topic forum.
Modifié par moilami, 17 mars 2011 - 05:58 .
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