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[tulx]

So many of you here call yourselves hardcore RPG and Bioware fans, you all loved DA:O so much, yet most posts about DA II I see are negative. You should really be THANKFULL for what Bioware is daring to do with such a lucrative franchise as Dragon Age.
The developers are right to push you out of your comfort zone and bring the franchise in another direction, bring it FURTHER. Do you really want this to tur into another CoD where they cough up a more expensive version of the same game each year? Call of Duty Modern Warfare is a great game, it really is, but if you played MW 1, you have absolutely no reason to play MW2 or Balck Ops - it's exactly the same. I played MW1 and MW2, now I can't event tell which episode was from which game - they are so alike.
Do you want the same to happen with Dragon Age? Where there's a bunch of games which all copy the first and milk the same old formula? For how long can you listen to the same song before you start to get sick of it?

As things are now, you have reason to go back and play Origins after you've played Dragon Age II. Because it's DIFFERENT, not just the same game with outdated graphcs and smaller explosions. Enjoy the variaty.

In short - stop whining and start appreciating. There are too few developers who risk to evolve their biggest franchises - don't force Bioware to make cookie-cutter games like Activision does now.

[Boronion]

Good try, but you can count the seconds until you are called Troll, Sheep or Bioware employee

[carlosjuero]

How about we appreciate that everyone has differing opinions? You are no more right than the people who do not like DA 2 - both are opinions. Pure and simple.

[Galad22]

But they didn't bring it further they brought it backwards, in almost every single way. Less complex, less long, less interesting, less everything.

You say they evolved DA2, I say they devolved it. Both are opinions, both might be just as correct.

[KenKenpachi]

Yeah this won't end well, so far as shocking as it sounds the opinion on here and 4 Chan is in the minority, most people I've spoken to around me have enjoyed Dragon Age 2 and are laughing at the forums if they even bother going near them. Its funny how many gamers don't go-online to sites like these. Its a minority here, but like many in the west they seem bigger than they are as they scream from the roof tops like hysterical barbarians.

[tulx]

carlosjuero wrote...

How about we appreciate that everyone has differing opinions? You are no more right than the people who do not like DA 2 - both are opinions. Pure and simple.

It's just that most people seem to have a negative stance by default - regardless of what the developer does. Once a franchise is established and has lost its "underdog" tag, people start bashing it no matter what. CoD kept copying their original formula, and the whole gaming scene is in uproar. Bioware attempts to evolve its franchises (Dragon Age and Mass Effect) and people are in uproar.
Seems they just don't knew what they want.

[kevin cousland]

baaaa are you from wales sheepie?
are from bioware head office?
maybe you got a commision to say good stuff?
or maybe your just a TROLL

[Vindicis]

KenKenpachi wrote...

Yeah this won't end well, so far as shocking as it sounds the opinion on here and 4 Chan is in the minority, most people I've spoken to around me have enjoyed Dragon Age 2 and are laughing at the forums if they even bother going near them. Its funny how many gamers don't go-online to sites like these. Its a minority here, but like many in the west they seem bigger than they are as they scream from the roof tops like hysterical barbarians.

All the console gamers I know, love this game.  It's ranks in thier top 400 games with the likes of Call of Duty, Devil May Cry, and God of War.  I ask them about it often, you know while they cut my grass, deliever my paper, deliever my a pizza, etc..  Most are just bummed they have to go back to school after spring break and won't be able to experiece the awesomeness 24-7 for another few months again.

[tulx]

KenKenpachi wrote...

Yeah this won't end well, so far as shocking as it sounds the opinion on here and 4 Chan is in the minority, most people I've spoken to around me have enjoyed Dragon Age 2 and are laughing at the forums if they even bother going near them. Its funny how many gamers don't go-online to sites like these. Its a minority here, but like many in the west they seem bigger than they are as they scream from the roof tops like hysterical barbarians.

I sure hope you're right.
This IS a common scene around the internet. I currently play Age of Conan as well, and, judging by the forum, the game seems like hell itself. When I log into the actual game, it all seems quite alright.
Still, reading this game bashing in every thread is kind of depressing. Can't the mods make a flaming section where the trolls can just discharge their agression?

Modifié par tulx, 17 mars 2011 - 01:12 .

[termokanden]

Do you really want this to tur into another CoD where they cough up a more expensive version of the same game each year? Call of Duty Modern Warfare is a great game, it really is, but if you played MW 1, you have absolutely no reason to play MW2 or Balck Ops - it's exactly the same. I played MW1 and MW2, now I can't event tell which episode was from which game - they are so alike.

Everybody's flaming CoD. People who like DA2, people who don't like DA2. CoD has nothing to do with it!

For the record, the big difference is in the multiplayer. For me and many others these games aren't about the single player experience. Black Ops for example is a fun game in multiplayer, but I would never have bought it for the singleplayer part.

And yes they are REALLY milking the CoD franchise. So far though the games have been fun in multiplayer.

[kevin cousland]

Vindicis wrote...

KenKenpachi wrote...

Yeah this won't end well, so far as shocking as it sounds the opinion on here and 4 Chan is in the minority, most people I've spoken to around me have enjoyed Dragon Age 2 and are laughing at the forums if they even bother going near them. Its funny how many gamers don't go-online to sites like these. Its a minority here, but like many in the west they seem bigger than they are as they scream from the roof tops like hysterical barbarians.

All the console gamers I know, love this game.  It's ranks in thier top 400 games with the likes of Call of Duty, Devil May Cry, and God of War.  I ask them about it often, you know while they cut my grass, deliever my paper, deliever my a pizza, etc..  Most are just bummed they have to go back to school after spring break and won't be able to experiece the awesomeness 24-7 for another few months again.

and then you go back to a golden oldie like oblivion and think.....what the hell is happening with RPGs they were so awesome.
and before you say their different games altogether ill just say this look at ANY other rpg look at any other game they are epic with a understandable plot.
DA2 was just a set up for DA3.
sure this means DA3 would be awesme but shouldnt DA2 just have been a DLC?

[kevin cousland]

CoD is a male organ.

[Nathan Redgrave]

Galad22 wrote...

But they didn't bring it further they brought it backwards, in almost every single way. Less complex, less long, less interesting, less everything.

You say they evolved DA2, I say they devolved it. Both are opinions, both might be just as correct.

In some ways, both sides are right, and in others, both are wrong.

...

And no, I'm not talking about mages and Templars, so don't even say it.

[tulx]

kevin cousland wrote...

CoD is a male organ.

Thank you for bringing value to this conversation.

[Vindicis]

Oblivion is a golden oldie? Wow, ok......

[tulx]

I REALLY like what BW did to the mage class, how they changed it. I like what they did to the rogues. Two-handed and sword&shiled warriors could be better, probably. I haven't played one myself yet - i'm judging by the companion characters.
Thing is - people rarely embrace change willingly - they need to be forced to it. And it's good that BW is doing it. Baldur's Gate, Arcanum and Origins were great, but we need to move forward. Let's not stagnate like the FPS genre.

[termokanden]

Oblivion a golden oldie? Wow. To put it into perspective I saw this whole discussion when Oblivion was released. It has been dumbed down for the console, what is happening with RPGs, it's the end of the world and so on.

[Boronion]

Vindicis wrote...

Oblivion is a golden oldie? Wow, ok......

I guess the two are being sarcastic or ironic ....... at least i hope so

[KenKenpachi]

Vindicis wrote...

[All the console gamers I know, love this game.  It's ranks in thier top 400 games with the likes of Call of Duty, Devil May Cry, and God of War.  I ask them about it often, you know while they cut my grass, deliever my paper, deliever my a pizza, etc..  Most are just bummed they have to go back to school after spring break and won't be able to experiece the awesomeness 24-7 for another few months again.

Do I sense a backhanded comment there somewhere? I would be careful of that if so, I make it a point to treat the low people well, I mean think about it the guy with the hedge clippers could stab you in the chest, just like a barber I put up with all of there questions, as they can always slit my throat while I sit in the chair, just like the pizza boy, oh he could have a 9mm in his box one day and go "SPECIAL DELIVERY MOTHER ****ER!"

[tulx]

termokanden wrote...

Oblivion a golden oldie? Wow. To put it into perspective I saw this whole discussion when Oblivion was released. It has been dumbed down for the console, what is happening with RPGs, it's the end of the world and so on.

Hehe - just wait for Dragon Age 3 and you'll hear: "WTF Bioware, give us back the good old classic DA 2!!!11!"

I was looking at the Mircosift forum one day and a moderator had posted a montage of Windows complaints. People flamed Win 2000 for being a dunbed down version of 95, they flamed XP for being a slow eye-candy mutation of Win 2k and so on.

Just don't be a pussie and embrace the progress. You'll change your mind anyway - why not side with it right one?

Modifié par tulx, 17 mars 2011 - 01:32 .

[kevin cousland]

termokanden wrote...

Oblivion a golden oldie? Wow. To put it into perspective I saw this whole discussion when Oblivion was released. It has been dumbed down for the console, what is happening with RPGs, it's the end of the world and so on.

whatever you say.
oblivion = first next gen game to be released it is now inferior to any other game but still lovable with all those memories. its about erm 5 year oldish i think? if pc gamers still think its high graphics and stuff well you have been left behind because consoll games have exeeded that now. so pc games = holding back consoles

[Vindicis]

kevin cousland wrote...
whatever you say.
oblivion = first next gen game to be released it is now inferior to any other game but still lovable with all those memories. its about erm 5 year oldish i think? if pc gamers still think its high graphics and stuff well you have been left behind because consoll games have exeeded that now. so pc games = holding back consoles

Are you drunk or huffing glue?  Seriously, I don't have any idea what point you're trying to get across.  Now, where did I put my bro translator....

[kevin cousland]

tulx wrote...

termokanden wrote...

Oblivion a golden oldie? Wow. To put it into perspective I saw this whole discussion when Oblivion was released. It has been dumbed down for the console, what is happening with RPGs, it's the end of the world and so on.

Hehe - just wait for Dragon Age 3 and you'll hear: "WTF Bioware, give us back the good old classic DA 2!!!11!"

I was looking at the Mircosift forum one day and a moderator had posted a montage of Windows complaints. People flamed Win 2000 for being a dunbed down version of 95, they flamed XP for being a slow eye-candy mutation of Win 2k and so on.

Just don't be a pussie and embrace the change. You'll change your mind anyway - why not side with it right one?

no we wont sure the combat is better in DA2 but the game is only like a DLC.
and oblivion was and still is awesome and was always an improvement.
its pc gamers who find fault but thats coz they have too many buttons and not much brains.

[Funker Shepard]

Galad22 wrote...

But they didn't bring it further they brought it backwards, in almost every single way. Less complex, less long, less interesting, less everything.

You say they evolved DA2, I say they devolved it. Both are opinions, both might be just as correct.

I challenge anyone to go through Deep Roads and the Tower+Fade in DAO and come here telling me that longer is always better. With a straight face.

If I could've gotten DA2 (story) pacing in DAO length, I probably would have been ecstatic, but between the two, DA2 wins in my book hands down (in fact, I think that there's a Bioware game that fulfills, and even exceeds those qualities - it's called Baldur's Gate 2). For DA2, the shorter duration is (more than) compensated by a more enjoyable rhythm.

Not sure where this less complex thing comes from, I've spent a lot more time agonising over my equipment and ability choices in DA2 than I ever did with DAO. I could use some elaboration on this front, just in case I'm missing something.

Less interesting, I couldn't disagree more. Finally we have a Bio game that tosses out the old joke "Bioware plotline table", something that was probably in its most distilled form in Origins.

For the record, I really enjoyed Origins when it came out, but I burned out on it really fast (the same thing happened to me with Jade Empire, dunno why). It's possible that this is going to happen with DA2 too, but so far I'm not seeing any of the normal signs of that.