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EccentricSage wrote...

LukaCrosszeria wrote...

jojimbo wrote...

I have held off buying DA:2 because of the scepticism the development has recieved, the obnoxious attitude by David Gaider towards his fan base, and the dreariness of the demo.
Witch Hunt was for me the definitive evidence of a dev team who have not only lost the plot, but also have lost the heart and soul DA:O was.
Thankfully, DA:O (without Awakenings btw, more bull****) will always stand alone as a work of art which stands up with the likes of Oblivion, Fallout thank god for Shogun2, at least I got something to do while Bioware falls , all the way down.

I agree Witch Hunt was not so good, though I did like the two companions. But the obnoxious attitude by David Gaider, where on earth do you get that from? I've been on this forum since november and I've read several of his posts. I don't see it. The demo dreary? No.

Rather than say Bioware is falling down, I'd say they're learning and falling down and picking yourself up again is a part of the process.

I'm guessing Gaider is being called 'obnoxious' for having the balls to post on the forums and call out fans when they act like ignorant little pricks with entitlement issues, particularly reguarding Gaider's stance on including homosexual romance.  At least that's my observation. 

Gaider gets all the more respect from me.

Yes all businesses should do that.I mean if you dont like what the customer says set them straight..I sure that will go  over in the real world.

[randName]

The OP is just trolling; and its better to ignore troll bait.

[Drogo45]

tulx wrote...

So many of you here call yourselves hardcore RPG and Bioware fans, you all loved DA:O so much, yet most posts about DA II I see are negative. You should really be THANKFULL for what Bioware is daring to do with such a lucrative franchise as Dragon Age.
The developers are right to push you out of your comfort zone and bring the franchise in another direction, bring it FURTHER. Do you really want this to tur into another CoD where they cough up a more expensive version of the same game each year? Call of Duty Modern Warfare is a great game, it really is, but if you played MW 1, you have absolutely no reason to play MW2 or Balck Ops - it's exactly the same. I played MW1 and MW2, now I can't event tell which episode was from which game - they are so alike.
Do you want the same to happen with Dragon Age? Where there's a bunch of games which all copy the first and milk the same old formula? For how long can you listen to the same song before you start to get sick of it?

As things are now, you have reason to go back and play Origins after you've played Dragon Age II. Because it's DIFFERENT, not just the same game with outdated graphcs and smaller explosions. Enjoy the variaty.

In short - stop whining and start appreciating. There are too few developers who risk to evolve their biggest franchises - don't force Bioware to make cookie-cutter games like Activision does now.

WOW - very nicely said OP.  I couldn't agree more.......

[benbah]

tulx wrote...

 Do you really want this to tur into another CoD where they cough up a more expensive version of the same game each year? Call of Duty Modern Warfare is a great game, it really is, but if you played MW 1, you have absolutely no reason to play MW2 or Balck Ops - it's exactly the same. I played MW1 and MW2, now I can't event tell which episode was from which game - they are so alike.

This comparison is completely meaningless. RPG games are fundamentally different to FPS games, where change and evolution drive the franchise. I think the majority of DA:O fans wanted similar detail, effort and pride put into DA2 that made them love the first game so much. RPG's like Dragon Age (and Bioware's previous titles) hinge on changing and developing stories, filled with rich and enveloping detail. Not simplifying these elements or 'stream-lining' them, for lack of a better word.

While I agree DA2 is not as bad as a lot of people on this forum would have you think, comparing the evolution of COD (a mass-market, multiplayer and action-orientated FPS) to the direction Bioware's RPGs should take is ludicrous.

[OurSacrifice]

tulx wrote...

So many of you here call yourselves hardcore RPG and Bioware fans, you all loved DA:O so much, yet most posts about DA II I see are negative. You should really be THANKFULL for what Bioware is daring to do with such a lucrative franchise as Dragon Age.
The developers are right to push you out of your comfort zone and bring the franchise in another direction, bring it FURTHER. Do you really want this to tur into another CoD where they cough up a more expensive version of the same game each year? Call of Duty Modern Warfare is a great game, it really is, but if you played MW 1, you have absolutely no reason to play MW2 or Balck Ops - it's exactly the same. I played MW1 and MW2, now I can't event tell which episode was from which game - they are so alike.
Do you want the same to happen with Dragon Age? Where there's a bunch of games which all copy the first and milk the same old formula? For how long can you listen to the same song before you start to get sick of it?

As things are now, you have reason to go back and play Origins after you've played Dragon Age II. Because it's DIFFERENT, not just the same game with outdated graphcs and smaller explosions. Enjoy the variaty.

In short - stop whining and start appreciating. There are too few developers who risk to evolve their biggest franchises - don't force Bioware to make cookie-cutter games like Activision does now.

Game sucks and I'm not going to bother appreciating garbage like this when they had something with a lot of substance and lore sitting right infront of them to branch off of.

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tulx wrote...

So many of you here call yourselves hardcore RPG and Bioware fans, you all loved DA:O so much, yet most posts about DA II I see are negative. You should really be THANKFULL for what Bioware is daring to do with such a lucrative franchise as Dragon Age.
The developers are right to push you out of your comfort zone and bring the franchise in another direction, bring it FURTHER. Do you really want this to tur into another CoD where they cough up a more expensive version of the same game each year? Call of Duty Modern Warfare is a great game, it really is, but if you played MW 1, you have absolutely no reason to play MW2 or Balck Ops - it's exactly the same. I played MW1 and MW2, now I can't event tell which episode was from which game - they are so alike.
Do you want the same to happen with Dragon Age? Where there's a bunch of games which all copy the first and milk the same old formula? For how long can you listen to the same song before you start to get sick of it?

As things are now, you have reason to go back and play Origins after you've played Dragon Age II. Because it's DIFFERENT, not just the same game with outdated graphcs and smaller explosions. Enjoy the variaty.

In short - stop whining and start appreciating. There are too few developers who risk to evolve their biggest franchises - don't force Bioware to make cookie-cutter games like Activision does now.

No.I disagree with you.People have a right to their opinion.You don't seem to like that but get over it.If you notice this is the General Discussion forum.People like or dislike the game and they are allowed to voice their opinion on the forum.You don't have to like it.That's just the way it is.I think your opinion sucks raw eggs but you are entitled to it.So continue your whining about people whining.Your allowed to.Same as I am allowed to whine about you whining about people whining.Got Cheese?

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[Darth Executor]

So many of you here call yourselves hardcore RPG and Bioware fans, you
all loved DA:O so much, yet most posts about DA II I see are negative.
You should really be THANKFULL for what Bioware is daring to do with
such a lucrative franchise as Dragon Age.

i loled

Modifié par Darth Executor, 30 mars 2011 - 02:15 .

[LanatirDragon]

Drogo45 wrote...



WOW - very nicely said OP.  I couldn't agree more.......

You, Sir, are Justin Biebers pet gerbil and it DOESNT MATTER WHAT YOU AGREE WITH.

[Vidar_son_of_O]

with Dragon Age O and now with DA2 even
more, I think Bioware like the Animè and Manga Claymore (wich is cool,
if they got a bit of inspiration from Claymore),
- the Graywardens, and becomming one, is mysterious, like becomming a Claymore,
- Mages losing themsleves and becomming abonomation, is like Claymores "awakening",
-
quite a few templers with they blond hair and armors seemed like
Claymores, even some of the female haircuts, and female big foreheads,
- the "silver" eyes of some of the demons
ect.
ect.
ect.
______________________________


wouldnt mind at all, if Bioware would actually make a Claymore RPG!! (even if only of the 3DS).

Modifié par Vidar_son_of_O, 31 mars 2011 - 02:56 .

[Vidar_son_of_O]

double post, sorry

Modifié par Vidar_son_of_O, 31 mars 2011 - 02:56 .

[DragonAgeFanatiiic]

tulx wrote...

So many of you here call yourselves hardcore RPG and Bioware fans, you all loved DA:O so much, yet most posts about DA II I see are negative. You should really be THANKFULL for what Bioware is daring to do with such a lucrative franchise as Dragon Age.
The developers are right to push you out of your comfort zone and bring the franchise in another direction, bring it FURTHER. Do you really want this to tur into another CoD where they cough up a more expensive version of the same game each year? Call of Duty Modern Warfare is a great game, it really is, but if you played MW 1, you have absolutely no reason to play MW2 or Balck Ops - it's exactly the same. I played MW1 and MW2, now I can't event tell which episode was from which game - they are so alike.
Do you want the same to happen with Dragon Age? Where there's a bunch of games which all copy the first and milk the same old formula? For how long can you listen to the same song before you start to get sick of it?

As things are now, you have reason to go back and play Origins after you've played Dragon Age II. Because it's DIFFERENT, not just the same game with outdated graphcs and smaller explosions. Enjoy the variaty.

In short - stop whining and start appreciating. There are too few developers who risk to evolve their biggest franchises - don't force Bioware to make cookie-cutter games like Activision does now.

I dont think you get it.. 

To start, BioWare took very little FURTHER with this sequel, it's sadly & very, very cearly a giant step backwards.

The lack of the freedom to chat it up with party members, the re-used environments, the revisiting of locations, the lack of interacting with townsfolk & mercahnts, the fact that The Warden is only meerly referenced..  all of these things outweigh a pretty looking game with a top notch combat system. 

The game is rediculously inferior. Nobody is complaining about the format of the game. I mean, are you serious? The story is decent & the way it is presented is original.. everybody realizes that man.. XD

Fans are furiated with how rushed this game was. Origins was carefuly constructed over half a decade, 7 years actualy. DAII was thrown together over a year.. By the sounds of things you havn't played the game but trust me when I say that you can feel it & see it when all the time while your playing; It is not a finished game, It's a step backwards in almost every aspect & us loyal fans have the right to whine about our FORMER favourite develepors dieing a slow death. 

[Fufu12]

Might I interest you all in this Story

[Agamo45]

I have no problem with BW pushing the series in new directions, I do have a problem with the game having an insultingly low level of quality in several aspects. As a fan, am I just supposed to swallow that? No, I will not appreciate the developers for putting an unfinished game like this on the market.

Modifié par Agamo45, 22 avril 2011 - 04:23 .

[UltiPup]

Surprised that fans turn on their favorite game companies like that? I'm not. Fans are so picky. One slip up and you can lose them forever.

I think I'm the only one who believes that the rage should be directed towards EA instead of Bioware.

[Anathemic]

Why should I be thankful for BioWare pushing the DA franchise in a direction I didn't approve of?

I've saw what they were doing, I've predicted what's going to happen, I made my decision of not buying the game, few months later when game released, I am glad I had made the right decision (for me of course).

[oldmansavage]

I dunno bud, as a consumer I really dont' have to be thankful for ****.  I pay good money for a good product.  When I don't get a good product for my money they will hear about it.  Its worse when a company with a reputation like Bioware feeds you a turd trying to chase after that Call of Duty ****** money.

Someone once said that it takes a life time to build a good reputation and only seconds to destory it.  Bioware is damn good at what they do they just need to stick with what they know and not get confined by ridiculous schedules.

Heres hoping DA:3 goes back to its roots.  If not heres hoping Bioware comes out with a new crpg with a darker universe.

[AlexXIV]

Ah, Bioware "fans" ...

[Gatt9]

UltiPup wrote...

Surprised that fans turn on their favorite game companies like that? I'm not. Fans are so picky. One slip up and you can lose them forever.

I think I'm the only one who believes that the rage should be directed towards EA instead of Bioware.

It's not that "Fans" are picky.  The entire concept of being a "Fan" of a studio is limited only to some strange subset of message board posters.

This is buisness,  they make a product they want us to buy.  If it's good,  we buy it.  End of story.  There's no "Fans" of a studio,  the entire concept is overall ridiculous.  For two primary reasons...

1.  Odds are good that the people who made Game 1 won't be there for Game 2,  the people make the game,  not the Studio. 

2.  Being a Fan of a studio makes no more sense than being a fan of a movie studio.  I'm not a fan of Paramount,  I don't know anyone that is.  I do know a bunch of Star Trek fans though.  I'm one of them.  I'm not a fan of WB or Fox either,  but I am a fan of Whedon.

Further,  it's worth noting,  the Studio's official stance at this point is that anyone who enjoys the type of games I enjoy aren't worthy of being a Gamer,  and I am highly offended by that,  that is the message I'm getting from Laidlaw and Gaider.

Finally,  there's no division between Bioware and EA,  they're the same company.  Bioware is EA.  Doesn't matter which name you use anymore.

[mordarwarlock]

Do you really want this to tur into another CoD

thing is...it turned into another "CoD"

fail OP is fail

[Zeratul20]

Remember people, you all have a right to your opinion and no opinion is "right" or "wrong". De gustibus et coloribus non est disputandum. Whether you like it or not is your business, but please do try and remain kind. Just because he/she doesn't like the game, doesn't mean he/she is a "bad fan".

That said, I have nothing but respect for D. Gaider. He responded to the fan in a polite yet decisive way. He also rightly showed the fan that he shouldn't attempt to represent "the majority".

[AAHook2]

Fufu12 wrote...

Might I interest you all in this Story

That looks very pretty. If only I had a capable PC. I'll be watching for news on this one.

[bEVEsthda]

Fufu12 wrote...

Might I interest you all in this Story

Listening to these intelligent, serious, consciously aware developers tell about what they're trying to do, what they aim for, and not a single wide-eyed "BUTTON-AWESOME" scream, a sort of conviction solidified whithin me:
These people are going to smoke Bioware's ass.

I never bothered with The Witcher, because of the fixed character. I still don't think The Witcher is a game for me, but I'm gonna buy it anyway as a preparation for Witcher 2.

And Bioware should maybe assemble all their recently hired Final Fantasy- Diablo-, Bayonetta-fans developers to watch this video and tell them "This is our enemy!" (the competition for the recognition as the King of story driven RPG, and all the extra sales to the masses that comes with that) and "Everybody is required to have played through the entire Baldur's Gate series within 3 months. No more excuses!"

[Shadowbanner]

Galad22 wrote...

But they didn't bring it further they brought it backwards, in almost every single way. Less complex, less long, less interesting, less everything.

You say they evolved DA2, I say they devolved it. Both are opinions, both might be just as correct.

What she says.

[CloudOfShadows]

Well. I agree with the OP.

I think Bioware did a good thing, they made a game that I enjoyed. The mistake they made is that they didn't wrap Origins in blue paper and sold it as a Blue Edition. Then the fans could have bought the game again and enjoyed it all over again. Maybe a simple effect to have everything in the world slightly blue to enhance the variety.

Seriously, the amount of self-declared hardcore rpg fans who moan about DA2 is just amazing, it must be a great game simply because it inspires so much hatred. Makes me wonder if I'm wrong about it just being a good game with some flaws.

[bEVEsthda]

CloudOfShadows wrote...

Well. I agree with the OP.

I think Bioware did a good thing, they made a game that I enjoyed. The mistake they made is that they didn't wrap Origins in blue paper and sold it as a Blue Edition. Then the fans could have bought the game again and enjoyed it all over again. Maybe a simple effect to have everything in the world slightly blue to enhance the variety.

Seriously, the amount of self-declared hardcore rpg fans who moan about DA2 is just amazing, it must be a great game simply because it inspires so much hatred. Makes me wonder if I'm wrong about it just being a good game with some flaws.

DA2 is not a good game. It's a decent console game. Not more. But the only reason I would ever buy a game like DA2 is the Dragon Age franchise as such: So if Bioware released a string of serious RPGs like DA:O, DA:O2, DA:O3 etc every third year, and they also pushed a series of linear games with emphasis on action and consoles, like DA2, DA2-2, DA2-3 etc, every 18 months, I'd actually buy all of them too. Even for $60.
- But, if the DA:O series didn't exist - I'd never buy a single of the DA2-games, not even for $9.95.
As far as I'm concerned, I was tricked into buying DA2.