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[Drake Sigar]

You’re right, it is different. The game was almost completely redesigned from the ground up. Which is why in the short year and a half development cycle, Bioware had nowhere near enough time to polish any aspect.

[kevin cousland]

the only reason DAO was too long coz the combat was dull and boring

[thatbwoyblu]

I agree OP.These Old Head Biodudes need to man up and stop whining and crying like little man babys.Is gaming really that serious to all yall whiny P.C. geeks?

[Veracruz]

tulx wrote...

So many of you here call yourselves hardcore RPG and Bioware fans, you all loved DA:O so much, yet most posts about DA II I see are negative.

People expects Eye of the Beholder, Eye of the Beholder 2: The Legend of Darkmoon and Eye of the Beholder 3: Assault on Myth Drannor. Which basically played the same just with new story and in different places (and level caps). Understandable and by itself not bad. How people manage their own expectations on the other hand...

I would prefer not to comment about the rest of your post.

[Dr. Impossible]

tulx wrote...

So many of you here call yourselves hardcore RPG and Bioware fans, you all loved DA:O so much, yet most posts about DA II I see are negative. You should really be THANKFULL for what Bioware is daring to do with such a lucrative franchise as Dragon Age.

People should be thankful for a game they don't like?

The developers are right to push you out of your comfort zone and bring the franchise in another direction, bring it FURTHER.

The consensus is that the game has been severely dumbed down and is of a lower quality than the first game.

Do you really want this to tur into another CoD where they cough up a more expensive version of the same game each year?

What makes you think this would have happened?

[Galad22]

Funker Shepard wrote...

Galad22 wrote...

But they didn't bring it further they brought it backwards, in almost every single way. Less complex, less long, less interesting, less everything.

You say they evolved DA2, I say they devolved it. Both are opinions, both might be just as correct.

I challenge anyone to go through Deep Roads and the Tower+Fade in DAO and come here telling me that longer is always better. With a straight face.

Did you notice you brought worst parts of DAO here. In DA2 however you fight in same cave or same house 10 times against spawning enemies that are exactly similar than last time. How is that not even more boring to you?

Rest are your opinions and that is fine. But I disagree with them.

[Dr. Impossible]

kevin cousland wrote...

oblivion = first next gen game to be released

What on Earth does this mean?

it is now inferior to any other game

Any other game?

if pc gamers still think its high graphics and stuff well you have been left behind because consoll games have exeeded that now. so pc games = holding back consoles

Oblivion was multi-platform and intended primarily for consoles. As for the PC holding back graphics, neither the 360 nor the PS3 would be capable of running Crysis as it appears on the PC.

[Everwarden]

tulx wrote...
In short - stop whining and start appreciating. There are too few developers who risk to evolve their biggest franchises - don't force Bioware to make cookie-cutter games like Activision does now.

I'll stop whining and start appreciating when these PRODUCTS become free. Until then, no. 

Not all 'change' is good. Bioware took a winning formula from Origins (choices that matter, a deep world, realistic characters you can get to know, an excellent story) and decided that they needed to attract every demographic on the planet and disregard that winning recipe.

Real choices are gone. Characters you really get to know are scrapped (I like the followers, they just felt grossly under developed). Combat is a bad God of War knock-off (though to be honest it wouldn't have bothered me if not for the waves and waves of one shot enemies). The story railroads you towards an end you can't even remotely affect one way or another, and it isn't even a good ending. It's an abrupt crash into a metaphorical wall, followed by a ham-handed "BUY OUR NEXT GAME!"

[kevin cousland]

well pc gamers dont know what next gen means so let me explain...... actually i cant be arsed explaining so lets just say the next next gen is now ps4 and xboxwhatever

well no oblivion may not be inferior to nintendo wii games coz their rubbish.

and i thought crisis WAS on consoles

[olalag]

First of all you dont have to like every single game undet RPG tag to actulally be a fan of RPS. I once got two worlds for xbox just coz it said great RPG. This was a huuuge misteake.
Second of all one thing needs to be established. Dragon Age 2 is NOT an RPG. Just becauose you can choose from 25 hairstyles does not make it one. Bioware lied to us giving us something compleatly diffrent under name of something myself and i assume thousands of others fell in love with uterrly.
So please do not go on telling me to appreciate something when i have been cheated and lied to with bull **** such as "think as general fight like spartan". Excuse me im a console player but just becauose i am it doesnt me you can shove me pull of blood, twenty different hairstyles and nonsens dialogues, call it RPG and tell me to appreacieate it.

[lillegraa]

KenKenpachi wrote...

Yeah this won't end well, so far as shocking as it sounds the opinion on here and 4 Chan is in the minority, most people I've spoken to around me have enjoyed Dragon Age 2 and are laughing at the forums if they even bother going near them. Its funny how many gamers don't go-online to sites like these. Its a minority here, but like many in the west they seem bigger than they are as they scream from the roof tops like hysterical barbarians.

Exactly this... I have a friend who plays DA, and I keep trying to drag him over here but he won't (he says he has no interest in the forums... or something like that). I think a lot of people feel that way.

[Revelo]

Regardless of peoples opinions about the changes in gameplay and look, the fact it was obviously rushed, unfinished, buggy and reused several enviroments over and over again is completely unacceptable.

It doesn't matter if the game is good or what people believe, issues like that are poor practice and thats my gripe with the game. I was having fun with it untill i noticed how many bugs popped up. I could tolerate the fact it was in one city, with more emphasis on action and combat because it was fun. Untill problems like that spoil the experience and ruin the immersion and playability.

Modifié par Revelo, 17 mars 2011 - 01:55 .

[SoulRebel_1979]

kevin cousland wrote...

well pc gamers dont know what next gen means so let me explain...... actually i cant be arsed explaining so lets just say the next next gen is now ps4 and xboxwhatever

well no oblivion may not be inferior to nintendo wii games coz their rubbish.

and i thought crisis WAS on consoles

Son, you talk out of your ass. You know why you can't be "arsed" to explain what next gen mean? It's because you have no idea what you're talking about. 

[marcbenigni]

Disappointed in the customers, that is rich. Say what you will about DA2 - opinions will vary - but it is certainly NOT MY JOB to like it.

Modifié par marcbenigni, 17 mars 2011 - 02:18 .

[Dr. Impossible]

kevin cousland wrote...

well pc gamers dont know what next gen means so let me explain......

Next gen means next generation. Like, "the next generation of consoles." It's nonsensical to say that Oblivion was the first next gen game. It does not mean anything.

well no oblivion may not be inferior to nintendo wii games coz their rubbish.

Not even Codex users would seriously claim that Oblivion is one of the worst games ever made. Because it isn't.

and i thought crisis WAS on consoles

No, it isn't.

Modifié par Dr. Impossible, 17 mars 2011 - 02:17 .

[kshocker]

kevin cousland wrote...

Vindicis wrote...

KenKenpachi wrote...

Yeah this won't end well, so far as shocking as it sounds the opinion on here and 4 Chan is in the minority, most people I've spoken to around me have enjoyed Dragon Age 2 and are laughing at the forums if they even bother going near them. Its funny how many gamers don't go-online to sites like these. Its a minority here, but like many in the west they seem bigger than they are as they scream from the roof tops like hysterical barbarians.

All the console gamers I know, love this game.  It's ranks in thier top 400 games with the likes of Call of Duty, Devil May Cry, and God of War.  I ask them about it often, you know while they cut my grass, deliever my paper, deliever my a pizza, etc..  Most are just bummed they have to go back to school after spring break and won't be able to experiece the awesomeness 24-7 for another few months again.

and then you go back to a golden oldie like oblivion and think.....what the hell is happening with RPGs they were so awesome.
and before you say their different games altogether ill just say this look at ANY other rpg look at any other game they are epic with a understandable plot.
DA2 was just a set up for DA3.
sure this means DA3 would be awesme but shouldnt DA2 just have been a DLC?

I loved the game, but I have to agree with the last point made here. I'm not 100% sure the changes made were ones that would warrant paying more than a couple of DLCs (800 a pop per act would be enough I think) to set us up for DA3. Not to mention the bugs... oh the bugs. The longer I play the more bugs I get slapped with.

Nevertheless, I found it to be an enjoyable game. Definitely worth the $60 (near 70 after shipping and tax... fml) but a feeling of buyers regret each time I have to power off my 360 and start it back up because another bug froze it up.

[Melra]

Galad22 wrote...

But they didn't bring it further they brought it backwards, in almost every single way. Less complex, less long, less interesting, less everything.

You say they evolved DA2, I say they devolved it. Both are opinions, both might be just as correct.

''Opinions are like testicles. You kick them hard enough, it doesn't matter how many you've got.'' 

[CitizenSnips]

The things they tried to do on DA2 were admirable. DA:O was great but it's combat was boring. So many people talk about RPGs as if there are only 2 choices: story or gameplay. I've never understood why we can't have both. The problem is this game lacks polish. If this game had been given another 6 months of development it would have been much, much better. Release a game when it's ready.

Simply put, this game was rushed.

[Vindicis]

Spuudle wrote...
Top 400 games? hah most games would fit into the top 400. I suspect most Bioware fans are looking for a top ten game. As for the OP, everything that needs to be said in reponse, has been.

Nothing gets by you, does it?

[KalDurenik]

tulx wrote...

So many of you here call yourselves hardcore RPG and Bioware fans, you all loved DA:O so much, yet most posts about DA II I see are negative. You should really be THANKFULL for what Bioware is daring to do with such a lucrative franchise as Dragon Age.
The developers are right to push you out of your comfort zone and bring the franchise in another direction, bring it FURTHER. Do you really want this to tur into another CoD where they cough up a more expensive version of the same game each year? Call of Duty Modern Warfare is a great game, it really is, but if you played MW 1, you have absolutely no reason to play MW2 or Balck Ops - it's exactly the same. I played MW1 and MW2, now I can't event tell which episode was from which game - they are so alike.
Do you want the same to happen with Dragon Age? Where there's a bunch of games which all copy the first and milk the same old formula? For how long can you listen to the same song before you start to get sick of it?

As things are now, you have reason to go back and play Origins after you've played Dragon Age II. Because it's DIFFERENT, not just the same game with outdated graphcs and smaller explosions. Enjoy the variaty.

In short - stop whining and start appreciating. There are too few developers who risk to evolve their biggest franchises - don't force Bioware to make cookie-cutter games like Activision does now.

Further? lol obvious troll... Everything is 10 steps back except the graphics (note the art suck) and the fact that warriors / rogues have abilites that they can use now.

Cheering for bioware right now is just going to make sure we see more and more rushed ****. Its better to stop it now.

[DJBare]

tulx wrote...
The developers are right to push you out of your comfort zone and bring the franchise in another direction, bring it FURTHER.

Then you think it's a good "business" practice to alienate the fanbase?, your logic seems a bit skewed, from the things I've been reading, their intention was not to push people out of their comfort zones but to push the game out faster riding on the Dragon age name, now I don't know if it's as bad as some are making out, but there are enough of them saying it to warrant caution.

Modifié par DJBare, 17 mars 2011 - 02:32 .

[Seitur]

To OP:

DA2 is first game from Bioware and first in years that I could not stand to play. For me it was awfully BORING experience. Repetetive , flashy and stupid amongths other things. This is my personal opinion and some people might see things in game I cannot and appreciate it. Great , no irony. That's really good.

BUT

I will judge this game based on my experiences and I had to froce myself to play for longer than 20 minutes in order to know this game better and judge it. For me this game is terrible and that'll be my opinion of this game and I honesty don't know where you get idea I should appreciate BW for releasing game I loathe ?

Modifié par Seitur, 17 mars 2011 - 02:30 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Vindicis wrote...

KenKenpachi wrote...

Yeah this won't end well, so far as shocking as it sounds the opinion on here and 4 Chan is in the minority, most people I've spoken to around me have enjoyed Dragon Age 2 and are laughing at the forums if they even bother going near them. Its funny how many gamers don't go-online to sites like these. Its a minority here, but like many in the west they seem bigger than they are as they scream from the roof tops like hysterical barbarians.

All the console gamers I know, love this game.  It's ranks in thier top 400 games with the likes of Call of Duty, Devil May Cry, and God of War.  I ask them about it often, you know while they cut my grass, deliever my paper, deliever my a pizza, etc..  Most are just bummed they have to go back to school after spring break and won't be able to experiece the awesomeness 24-7 for another few months again.

School? .. so we're talking about console kiddies?

Well..personal experiences obviously differ. Practicly everyone I know who tried it was severely dissaponted. And they are all 25+ years old and PC players b.t.w. Hm..could that be statisticly relevant?

[Lotion Soronarr]

tulx wrote...
Hehe - just wait for Dragon Age 3 and you'll hear: "WTF Bioware, give us back the good old classic DA 2!!!11!"

I was looking at the Mircosift forum one day and a moderator had posted a montage of Windows complaints. People flamed Win 2000 for being a dunbed down version of 95, they flamed XP for being a slow eye-candy mutation of Win 2k and so on.

Just don't be a pussie and embrace the progress. You'll change your mind anyway - why not side with it right one?

You know what the problem with that statement is? It can be used ot defend any game ever made..no matter how crappy.

Change is not a good thing by definition...nor is it a bad thing. Change can be both..depending on what the change is.

So no..DA2 is not progress. Hell no. It does a few things good, but it does most terribly.