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[Craig McDermott]

tulx wrote...

So many of you here call yourselves hardcore RPG and Bioware fans, you all loved DA:O so much, yet most posts about DA II I see are negative. You should really be THANKFULL for what Bioware is daring to do with such a lucrative franchise as Dragon Age.

Daring to do what? Pump out a new sequel in just over a year, stripping out as much complexity and depth as they can get away with?

tulx wrote...
The developers are right to push you out of your comfort zone and bring the franchise in another direction, bring it FURTHER. Do you really want this to tur into another CoD where they cough up a more expensive version of the same game each year? Call of Duty Modern Warfare is a great game, it really is, but if you played MW 1, you have absolutely no reason to play MW2 or Balck Ops - it's exactly the same. I played MW1 and MW2, now I can't event tell which episode was from which game - they are so alike.
Do you want the same to happen with Dragon Age? Where there's a bunch of games which all copy the first and milk the same old formula? For how long can you listen to the same song before you start to get sick of it?

Yeah I would rather have another Origins than a "streamlined" version that doesn't feel like Dragon Age at all.  The Call of Duty series is hugely successful, and they don't deviate from the formula that everyone knows and loves.  MW2 didn't strip out and dumb down everything from MW1, and neither did Black Ops.  IW and Treyarch didn't have the mindset that "hey, I think all these perks and weapon attachments are too complicated for people to understand; we'll just remove them completely and tell everyone we 'streamlined' it."

[Altima Darkspells]

Even Activision gives the studios working on each new regurgitated CoD game two years of dev time...

[DTKT]

Different does not mean better.

Bioware made the conscious decison to push the Dragon Age franchise into a different direction. That direction coupled with the fact that they had a shorter dev time created an inferior product that what you are used to with Bioware.

So yeah, they made it different. They also made it worse. Dragon age II is a 7.5-8 game. That's it. It's not a bad game but its far from being something I would always recommend to friends.

Modifié par DTKT, 20 mars 2011 - 09:30 .

[Cobrawar]

DA2 isn't progress its a few steps back

[AtreiyaN7]

KenKenpachi wrote...

Yeah this won't end well, so far as shocking as it sounds the opinion on here and 4 Chan is in the minority, most people I've spoken to around me have enjoyed Dragon Age 2 and are laughing at the forums if they even bother going near them. Its funny how many gamers don't go-online to sites like these. Its a minority here, but like many in the west they seem bigger than they are as they scream from the roof tops like hysterical barbarians.

Yes, my two friends are enjoying it, although they apparently both ran into some Merrill romance-related bug (woops).  They game on both the PC and the console. One friend is slightly influenced by the silly forum stuff he sees, so he finds it a downer to see negative comments. However, since he's enjoying it, I'm like...what's the problem? Other people's opinions shouldn't influence whether or not you have fun. He finally got to a certain tragic family event, and it made him sad, so I'm pretty sure that he's emotionally invested in it at this point.

[Blastback]

Personally I feel that DA2 is an excellent game. However, I also feel that a number of the changes made detract from the overall quality enough that I didn't enjoy DA2 as much as I did Origins. Should I be grateful for those changes? No I don't think I should. Should I let my dissapointment with those specific issues color my opinion of the rest of the game? No, I shouldn't do that either.

[EternalPink]

tulx wrote...

So many of you here call yourselves hardcore RPG and Bioware fans, you all loved DA:O so much, yet most posts about DA II I see are negative. You should really be THANKFULL for what Bioware is daring to do with such a lucrative franchise as Dragon Age.
The developers are right to push you out of your comfort zone and bring the franchise in another direction, bring it FURTHER. Do you really want this to tur into another CoD where they cough up a more expensive version of the same game each year? Call of Duty Modern Warfare is a great game, it really is, but if you played MW 1, you have absolutely no reason to play MW2 or Balck Ops - it's exactly the same. I played MW1 and MW2, now I can't event tell which episode was from which game - they are so alike.
Do you want the same to happen with Dragon Age? Where there's a bunch of games which all copy the first and milk the same old formula? For how long can you listen to the same song before you start to get sick of it?

As things are now, you have reason to go back and play Origins after you've played Dragon Age II. Because it's DIFFERENT, not just the same game with outdated graphcs and smaller explosions. Enjoy the variaty.

In short - stop whining and start appreciating. There are too few developers who risk to evolve their biggest franchises - don't force Bioware to make cookie-cutter games like Activision does now.

All the posts i've seen like this would come across so much better if they didnt all have the tone of someone waving there finger at you, the peeps that honestly didn't like it and are expressing that in a respectful way should be treated in the same way as the peeps that do like it.

Its the nutters from either side that make the boards nausating

[Night Prowler76]

tulx wrote...

So many of you here call yourselves hardcore RPG and Bioware fans, you all loved DA:O so much, yet most posts about DA II I see are negative. You should really be THANKFULL for what Bioware is daring to do with such a lucrative franchise as Dragon Age.
The developers are right to push you out of your comfort zone and bring the franchise in another direction, bring it FURTHER. Do you really want this to tur into another CoD where they cough up a more expensive version of the same game each year? Call of Duty Modern Warfare is a great game, it really is, but if you played MW 1, you have absolutely no reason to play MW2 or Balck Ops - it's exactly the same. I played MW1 and MW2, now I can't event tell which episode was from which game - they are so alike.
Do you want the same to happen with Dragon Age? Where there's a bunch of games which all copy the first and milk the same old formula? For how long can you listen to the same song before you start to get sick of it?

As things are now, you have reason to go back and play Origins after you've played Dragon Age II. Because it's DIFFERENT, not just the same game with outdated graphcs and smaller explosions. Enjoy the variaty.

In short - stop whining and start appreciating. There are too few developers who risk to evolve their biggest franchises - don't force Bioware to make cookie-cutter games like Activision does now.

The developers are never right if they make a game that the fans do not like...your logic is a rather simple way of thinking, if DA2 doesnt sell as well as Origins, they will have dropped the ball, and judging by the sales and reviews, this is EXACTLY what is happening, so I have to ask you, did all the changes make this an overall better game?? Sales wise, NO, Critic review wise, NO, Fan review wise, NO, but they did innovate...thats all that matters *rolls eyes*.

[Altered Idol]

I have just completed my first playthrough on DA2 and have to say I loved every minute of it. The story was sound, the characters were believable and genuine and I loved having a character with a voice. (My mage was pretty much sarastic to everyone!)

Is it the perfect game? No. The lack of variety in terms of dungeons was a bit of a let down as was the rather abrupt ending. I would have preferred it to be a little longer also but hey, as games go its one of the best I've played. Here's hoping DA3 will continue to tells Hawke's tale.

Before anyone suggests otherwise, I loved DA:O too. That game was amazing and it too had its brilliant features. The story was more grand in scale too as it was affecting an entire country not just a city. It was also about the right length in terms of gameplay, a bit longer than DA2.

But that doesnt mean I should look back on it with rose-tinted glasses. It to had its faults,graphically it was not great and the combat was pretty bad at times (particularly with a two-handed warrior). There were other issues so I'm hesistant to declare one better than the other.

Both games got great reviews from most places here in the UK and it topped the sales charts too.

Both games are excellent and well worth the investment. They both have their strengths and weaknesses but I for one appreciate that they are awesome games in their own right. I think progress has been made in most areas and that will stand us in good stead for DA3.

[Kendaric Varkellen]

tulx wrote...

So many of you here call yourselves hardcore RPG and Bioware fans, you all loved DA:O so much, yet most posts about DA II I see are negative. You should really be THANKFULL for what Bioware is daring to do with such a lucrative franchise as Dragon Age.
The developers are right to push you out of your comfort zone and bring the franchise in another direction, bring it FURTHER. Do you really want this to tur into another CoD where they cough up a more expensive version of the same game each year? Call of Duty Modern Warfare is a great game, it really is, but if you played MW 1, you have absolutely no reason to play MW2 or Balck Ops - it's exactly the same. I played MW1 and MW2, now I can't event tell which episode was from which game - they are so alike.
Do you want the same to happen with Dragon Age? Where there's a bunch of games which all copy the first and milk the same old formula? For how long can you listen to the same song before you start to get sick of it?

As things are now, you have reason to go back and play Origins after you've played Dragon Age II. Because it's DIFFERENT, not just the same game with outdated graphcs and smaller explosions. Enjoy the variaty.

In short - stop whining and start appreciating. There are too few developers who risk to evolve their biggest franchises - don't force Bioware to make cookie-cutter games like Activision does now.

Sorry, but no. Just no.
As a standalone game DA2 is ok but not great, As a sequel... it's not ok. Like most action RPGs it's at best RPG Lite and it's far from being one of BioWare's greatest titles in my opinion. Nice effort and all, but it fails to grip me in the way BioWare games usually would. It's stripped off RPG elements, changed the tone of the setting (though this could be attributed to Varric's storytelling) and generally feels less immersive.

[Cadaveth]

So basically if you like Bioware's previous products, you should appraise every single game they make, no matter how bad they would be? That's how delirious and blind fanboys usually roll.

[ElectricPhase]

tulx wrote...

The developers are right to push you out of your comfort zone and bring the franchise in another direction, bring it FURTHER.  [...]

In short - stop whining and start appreciating. There are too few developers who risk to evolve their biggest franchises - don't force Bioware to make cookie-cutter games like Activision does now.

Wait...what?!  They took something we liked and made it into something we don't like, and we should say thanks?

Orwell called--he wants his dystopia back.

[Torrential]

tulx wrote...
So many of you here call yourselves hardcore RPG and Bioware fans, you all loved DA:O so much, yet most posts about DA II I see are negative. You should really be THANKFULL for what Bioware is daring to do with such a lucrative franchise as Dragon Age.The developers are right to push you out of your comfort zone and bring the franchise in another direction, bring it FURTHER. Do you really want this to tur into another CoD where they cough up a more expensive version of the same game each year? Call of Duty Modern Warfare is a great game, it really is, but if you played MW 1, you have absolutely no reason to play MW2 or Balck Ops - it's exactly the same. I played MW1 and MW2, now I can't event tell which episode was from which game - they are so alike.Do you want the same to happen with Dragon Age? Where there's a bunch of games which all copy the first and milk the same old formula? For how long can you listen to the same song before you start to get sick of it?
As things are now, you have reason to go back and play Origins after you've played Dragon Age II. Because it's DIFFERENT, not just the same game with outdated graphcs and smaller explosions. Enjoy the variaty.
In short - stop whining and start appreciating. There are too few developers who risk to evolve their biggest franchises - don't force Bioware to make cookie-cutter games like Activision does now.

Get off your high horse. Risk what? They had a great franchise and now they have an average one. 

 Appreciate what? A linear story, no choices, bad combat, repetition, no support for modders. Characters were good but had no conclusion, which knowing bioware they won't conclude in the sequal.

Now to the main point you tried to make but failed, as so many others have over the decades. Sequels should be an improvement on the existing game, based on the same structure, else why call it is sequel not a new game? Regardless it doesn't really hit home because Dragon Age 2 in purely gameplay terms tries to be like a reduced, faster paced version of DA:O only the further you play the more you realise it is a vastly inferior, repetitive version of it.

Modifié par Torrential, 21 mars 2011 - 12:47 .

[Akka le Vil]

tulx wrote...

So many of you here call yourselves hardcore RPG and Bioware fans, you all loved DA:O so much, yet most posts about DA II I see are negative.

I think you're mixing the concepts of "fan" and "fanboy".

Someone who like DA2 and praise it ? That's okay.
Someone who dislike DA2 but praise it because he's supposed to be a Bioware fan and that means he HAS to have a positive opinion of everything made by Bioware ?
Oh God, I can't even begin to try to formulate how stupid this reasoning is. I think my brain is bleeding from the retardedness of this thread...

[Alex Kershaw]

They took something that was great, and turned it bad. I fail to see how this is a good thing - please enlighten me.

[SilentWolfie]

DA 2 is 7.5/10 game with a -0.5 with the bugs. DA 2 has serious issues when compared with DA:O.

[supertouch]

the slapdash nature of dragon age 2 can be comfortably summed up by the rehashed environments. that's some of the most flagrant laziness i've seen in a game. aside from the protagonist's voice and some cool spell effects, this game presents no improvements.

companies learn and grow largely from criticism, not undue praise. they need to take things back to the drawing board.

[sassperella]

SilentWolfie wrote...

DA 2 is 7.5/10 game with a -0.5 with the bugs. DA 2 has serious issues when compared with DA:O.

DA:O was released with game breaking bugs, so you can't really use that one....

DA:2 has it's faults, but the games industry is in crisis at the moment, they're struggling. Ecomomic crisis, global recession, second hand game selling, end of the console lifetime - xbox and ps3 has been out forever and is falling  behind the pc a lot now. All this adds up to the fact DA:O cannot be remade. It took 5+ years to make, games rarely have more than a 2-3 year dev cycle now companies are given less and less time by publishers as they need to stay afloat. 
While EA are one of the more lucrative companies they are not immune. There have been a couple of major job culls in all games companies over the last few years since that big market crash.

People just see them as money grubbing and greedy... at least know your facts about the current market.

And for those moaning at paying $60 for a 40 hour game get over yourselves, most games these days don't make 10 hours.

[sassperella]

supertouch wrote...

the slapdash nature of dragon age 2 can be comfortably summed up by the rehashed environments. that's some of the most flagrant laziness i've seen in a game. aside from the protagonist's voice and some cool spell effects, this game presents no improvements.

companies learn and grow largely from criticism, not undue praise. they need to take things back to the drawing board.

While true that it's easier to learn from criticism, there's a point where they'll just not bother. If enough people complain, the game won't be remade in the image of DA:O EA will just say forget it at some point and drop the franchise and make something more appealing to it's market like another mass effect type game. 

[Daddy555]

there is no main quest this is a game of side quests its not finnished has no exploration to speak of, has a retarded diolog wheel, no story, rubbish party members and the worst end game in the history of bioware , am i missing anything here

[Iwasdrunkbro]

wasnt origins like 20gb? and this game is 6gb?

yea that means we had to pay $10 more for 14gb less of a game. math is fun?

[Galad22]

Daddy555 wrote...

there is no main quest this is a game of side quests its not finnished has no exploration to speak of, has a retarded diolog wheel, no story, rubbish party members and the worst end game in the history of bioware , am i missing anything here

Horrid combat with all the extra waves. Some people have said that Hawke feels more like a mass murderer than champion. And I have to agree.

Modifié par Galad22, 21 mars 2011 - 01:34 .

[Jitter]

tulx wrote...

So many of you here call yourselves hardcore RPG and Bioware fans, you all loved DA:O so much, yet most posts about DA II I see are negative. You should really be THANKFULL for what Bioware is daring to do with such a lucrative franchise as Dragon Age.
The developers are right to push you out of your comfort zone and bring the franchise in another direction, bring it FURTHER. Do you really want this to tur into another CoD where they cough up a more expensive version of the same game each year? Call of Duty Modern Warfare is a great game, it really is, but if you played MW 1, you have absolutely no reason to play MW2 or Balck Ops - it's exactly the same. I played MW1 and MW2, now I can't event tell which episode was from which game - they are so alike.
Do you want the same to happen with Dragon Age? Where there's a bunch of games which all copy the first and milk the same old formula? For how long can you listen to the same song before you start to get sick of it?

As things are now, you have reason to go back and play Origins after you've played Dragon Age II. Because it's DIFFERENT, not just the same game with outdated graphcs and smaller explosions. Enjoy the variaty.

In short - stop whining and start appreciating. There are too few developers who risk to evolve their biggest franchises - don't force Bioware to make cookie-cutter games like Activision does now.

I feed them a s*** sandwich because i do like them . 

Like a friend at last call , drunk and about to take home a real ditch pig. 
Ill call them on it. Yeah in the moment they may call me a jerk , and tell me to get lost. 

But later , they will thank me for it. 

So Bioware i'm gonna feed you this S*** sandwich  because i care. 
The opposite of love is not , hate , it is apathy .. 

[Galad22]

sassperella wrote...

While true that it's easier to learn from criticism, there's a point where they'll just not bother. If enough people complain, the game won't be remade in the image of DA:O EA will just say forget it at some point and drop the franchise and make something more appealing to it's market like another mass effect type game. 

If DA2 sells well enough EA and Bioware will make an another game. I just hope Bioware has learned from this or next DA might not sell well enough for EA to continue this franchise.

Modifié par Galad22, 21 mars 2011 - 01:37 .