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[Brp650]

Ok with all this "DA:O was better than DA2 which is better than Oblivion which is better than.............

I loved DA:O, played it numerous times, Like DA2, but the graphics are so early 90's
Oblivion, to me was great. Never played the earlier games. But, IMHO, DA2 was dumbed down to attract more of the COD crowd. If i remember correctly, when COD-Black OPS was released, it was a monster hit, and yes i do own a copy. Im thinking Bio-ware wanted in on that pie. Hundreds of thousands of button pushers buying the latest slash and hack game......smell the green investors....smell the green!

Im going to compare "streamlining" a beloved franchise from RPG to.....push button and see AWESOME!!
One of my all time favorite games was...notice i said WAS....Silent Hunter by UbiSoft.
Great strategy sim. SH3,SH4 was just a fun game to play. Took alot to play when it came to strategy, very in depth. Then they release SH5...WTF!!! Ubi did to this title what BioWarEA did to DA....dumbed it down to draw in a new customer base......console users. One button push to see something AWSOME!! Killed the graphics so the consoles could actually run it....BTY, the whole comment that the PC is holding back consoles was just priceless....made me chuckle
Now take another Ubi title...Assassins Creed. Look beyond their DRM, which i have no problem with, and see a company that has IMPROVED on the game title. AC1 was fun, AC2 was great, AC-Brotherhood was incredible. Instead of taking away from the game, they added to it. Making the game more fun to play than the previous release. And they tend to redo the game to fit with the PC. AC-Brotherhood was released a year after the consoles because, according to the CEO, they wanted to make use of the processing power, top of the line vid cards and the memory that most gamers have in their rigs.
Why couldnt BW do this? Instead of forcing PC users with good rigs to be subjected to atari like graphics, delay the PC release, code it for the higher end systems?
But instead they were channeling Cuba Gooding Jr. screaming......SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!

[Gorescream]

Wait a minute, are you telling me, as a RPG purist, to enjoy this game?

Have you lost your damn mind?

[Merced652]

this guy couldn't have nuked himself any worse than when he said he played AoC. YIKES.

[BounceDK]

I'm supposed to be thankful for ruining a great franchise? I will not.

[nelly21]

The paying customer doesn't have to be thankful for anything. They paid for the product.

That being said, there are a few things that disappoint me about some of the people on this forum. The annoying (and frankly, beyond stupid) idea that pc gamers are somehow mentally superior to console players. The sacred cow status that has been granted to DAO despite it's faults. The entitlement mentality that demands that Bioware disregard any new possible fans. The nearly fanatical obssession that some have with every Bioware game adhering to the strictest tenents of the RPG Dogma. The belief that Bioware should not be allowed to guide their own intellectual properties in whatever direction they want. The assumptions about game developement despite having zero experience in the business.

These are the things that bother me about certain people on these forums. Should they be thankful? No. But they should be more open minded.

[Gavinthelocust]

More flame wars? This one involving Elder Scrolls, thus invoking my nerd rage?
I'll hold back and say that every one of you needs to politely apologize for being idiots and stop complaining. Not just talking about the overreactors but the knights of bioware over here constantly feeding flames.
Just be more open, don't be close minded idiots(Pc and console gamers alike) who state their opinions as fact and troll all the damn time. You needn't be thankful for something you payed for but don't be the kind of person who flips out when your sandwich isn't exactly how you want it.
But I know this post isn't gonna change anything and will be ignored, and I probably just stated my opinions as fact as well. Only difference I'm giving advice while you're whining about a video game and those who criticize it.

Modifié par Gavinthelocust, 21 mars 2011 - 03:35 .

[Jitter]

nelly21 wrote...

The paying customer doesn't have to be thankful for anything. They paid for the product.

That being said, there are a few things that disappoint me about some of the people on this forum. The annoying (and frankly, beyond stupid) idea that pc gamers are somehow mentally superior to console players. The sacred cow status that has been granted to DAO despite it's faults. The entitlement mentality that demands that Bioware disregard any new possible fans. The nearly fanatical obssession that some have with every Bioware game adhering to the strictest tenents of the RPG Dogma. The belief that Bioware should not be allowed to guide their own intellectual properties in whatever direction they want. The assumptions about game developement despite having zero experience in the business.

These are the things that bother me about certain people on these forums. Should they be thankful? No. But they should be more open minded.

Pot meet Kettle 

[Bathead]

Jitter wrote...

nelly21 wrote...

The paying customer doesn't have to be thankful for anything. They paid for the product.

That being said, there are a few things that disappoint me about some of the people on this forum. The annoying (and frankly, beyond stupid) idea that pc gamers are somehow mentally superior to console players. The sacred cow status that has been granted to DAO despite it's faults. The entitlement mentality that demands that Bioware disregard any new possible fans. The nearly fanatical obssession that some have with every Bioware game adhering to the strictest tenents of the RPG Dogma. The belief that Bioware should not be allowed to guide their own intellectual properties in whatever direction they want. The assumptions about game developement despite having zero experience in the business.

These are the things that bother me about certain people on these forums. Should they be thankful? No. But they should be more open minded.

Pot meet Kettle 

Pot/kettle comment - not relevant.
What nelly21 wrote is spot on, IMO.

[doloreg]

I'm still surprised by the arrogance of the forumers who demand an apology while shouting "the game is not exactly how i wanted it to be, which means it's ruined forever!"
It's not as good as DA:O, but that doesn't make it the worst game ever, in fact, i really likedit, even with it's problems.

[oldmansavage]

I should be thankful?  They should be thankful I bought their good games like BG1&2, KOTOR, DA:0 etc.  I am a customer and I don't like like being fed crap, I expect a little bit of effort put forth in a game not some shovel ware action adventure pseudo-rpg. 

I am thankful for my health, I am thankful for my family.   But being thankful to a company for making games when I dish out 60$ to them?  No way, its their job.  If they gave me my money back I'd give them a whole hearted thank you.

[Merced652]

doloreg wrote...

I'm still surprised by the arrogance of the forumers who demand an apology while shouting "the game is not exactly how i wanted it to be, which means it's ruined forever!"
It's not as good as DA:O, but that doesn't make it the worst game ever, in fact, i really likedit, even with it's problems.

While i agree fundamentally, was it not that same arrogance of Bioware's that delivered this unto us? As in a game that was inherently flawed, and supposed to cater well enough to their traditional fans as well as bring in hordes of new ones from other genres? Ha, i'd say it was pretty god damn arrogant of them to think they'd even succeed, let alone to even try it. 

Modifié par Merced652, 21 mars 2011 - 05:39 .

[Mus3]

oldmansavage wrote...

I should be thankful?  They should be thankful I bought their good games like BG1&2, KOTOR, DA:0 etc.  I am a customer and I don't like like being fed crap, I expect a little bit of effort put forth in a game not some shovel ware action adventure pseudo-rpg. 

I am thankful for my health, I am thankful for my family.   But being thankful to a company for making games when I dish out 60$ to them?  No way, its their job.  If they gave me my money back I'd give them a whole hearted thank you.

Psh, I don't feel bad for you. You obviously were an uninformed customer and I'm sure you get fed crap all the time. Maybe you should have paid attention to preview's of DA2 and seen the direction Bioware was taking with the game. They didn't make you buy it, so quit ****ing.

[Jitter]

Mus3 wrote...

oldmansavage wrote...

I should be thankful?  They should be thankful I bought their good games like BG1&2, KOTOR, DA:0 etc.  I am a customer and I don't like like being fed crap, I expect a little bit of effort put forth in a game not some shovel ware action adventure pseudo-rpg. 

I am thankful for my health, I am thankful for my family.   But being thankful to a company for making games when I dish out 60$ to them?  No way, its their job.  If they gave me my money back I'd give them a whole hearted thank you.

Psh, I don't feel bad for you. You obviously were an uninformed customer and I'm sure you get fed crap all the time. Maybe you should have paid attention to preview's of DA2 and seen the direction Bioware was taking with the game. They didn't make you buy it, so quit ****ing.

Mike Laidlaw held my mother hostage and threatened to turn her into a Zombie unless i bought it... 
I love you mom

Modifié par Jitter, 21 mars 2011 - 07:25 .

[Vollkeule]

Oh noes. OP is a COD-player

just kidding. But not every evolution is successful. Look at that: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platypus
I think it was the wrong direction because DA:O was superiour.

[CaimDark]

I'm glad the OP liked the game, but seriously, disappointed by the fan reaction? Fans don't have to like a sequel that takes away what made its predecessor great just because Bioware decided to go in a different direction. "Different" does not necessarily mean "better" or even good. In my opinion, DA2 improves upon Origins in a few key areas, namely the graphics, the combat, and the voiced protagonist, which for me at least is preferable to a mute one. I also liked that they used a framed narrative and told a more personal story. So no, I don't think they "ruined" anything. I do, however, think that overall Origins is a superior game. Bioware strangely decided to fix many things that were not broken, screwed PC players, plus DA2 has "tight deadline" written all over it, and it shows. Going forward, rather than simply going back to the Origins formula, I hope they take the best of both games and make a badass DA3. Assuming, that is, it doesn't become a MMO...

[Arian Dynas]

tulx wrote...

So many of you here call yourselves hardcore RPG and Bioware fans, you all loved DA:O so much, yet most posts about DA II I see are negative. You should really be THANKFULL for what Bioware is daring to do with such a lucrative franchise as Dragon Age.
The developers are right to push you out of your comfort zone and bring the franchise in another direction, bring it FURTHER. Do you really want this to tur into another CoD where they cough up a more expensive version of the same game each year? Call of Duty Modern Warfare is a great game, it really is, but if you played MW 1, you have absolutely no reason to play MW2 or Balck Ops - it's exactly the same. I played MW1 and MW2, now I can't event tell which episode was from which game - they are so alike.
Do you want the same to happen with Dragon Age? Where there's a bunch of games which all copy the first and milk the same old formula? For how long can you listen to the same song before you start to get sick of it?

As things are now, you have reason to go back and play Origins after you've played Dragon Age II. Because it's DIFFERENT, not just the same game with outdated graphcs and smaller explosions. Enjoy the variaty.

In short - stop whining and start appreciating. There are too few developers who risk to evolve their biggest franchises - don't force Bioware to make cookie-cutter games like Activision does now.

Damn right man, I say it was brave of you to try and convince these morons to get their heads out of their asses, but unfortunately, you may need a bigger speculum to do so.

[arathor_87]

Arian Dynas wrote...

tulx wrote...

So many of you here call yourselves hardcore RPG and Bioware fans, you all loved DA:O so much, yet most posts about DA II I see are negative. You should really be THANKFULL for what Bioware is daring to do with such a lucrative franchise as Dragon Age.
The developers are right to push you out of your comfort zone and bring the franchise in another direction, bring it FURTHER. Do you really want this to tur into another CoD where they cough up a more expensive version of the same game each year? Call of Duty Modern Warfare is a great game, it really is, but if you played MW 1, you have absolutely no reason to play MW2 or Balck Ops - it's exactly the same. I played MW1 and MW2, now I can't event tell which episode was from which game - they are so alike.
Do you want the same to happen with Dragon Age? Where there's a bunch of games which all copy the first and milk the same old formula? For how long can you listen to the same song before you start to get sick of it?

As things are now, you have reason to go back and play Origins after you've played Dragon Age II. Because it's DIFFERENT, not just the same game with outdated graphcs and smaller explosions. Enjoy the variaty.

In short - stop whining and start appreciating. There are too few developers who risk to evolve their biggest franchises - don't force Bioware to make cookie-cutter games like Activision does now.

Damn right man, I say it was brave of you to try and convince these morons to get their heads out of their asses, but unfortunately, you may need a bigger speculum to do so.

Yes, of course. People who doesn't share the same opinion as you are wrong. 

Can you please stop telling me what to feel? Accept that people dislike this game. TROLL!

[Akka le Vil]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Damn right man, I say it was brave of you to try and convince these morons to get their heads out of their asses, but unfortunately, you may need a bigger speculum to do so.

He's not trying to convince people to get their head out of their asses, he's trying to convince them to put them in deeper.
Only complete retards say they like something just because they're "loyal". That's just so utterly stupid that I can't get how anyone with at least a double digit IQ can seriously promote it.
"don't think, just like because it's been made by X"

Not only is it utterly dumb because it basically makes you a blind sheep, but it's even more idiotic because usually, the REASON you're a fan is because one company makes GOOD games. So you must be a fan even if goes against what made you a fan...

/facepalm

[Warheadz]

Yeah, kinda sums up my opinion on Mike Laidlaw's opinion of evolution. Anyways, evolution has never been about throwing working things away.

Modifié par Warheadz, 21 mars 2011 - 08:46 .

[Soulcheg]

Disappointed by the reaction of RPG and Bioware "fans"

sarcasm -  Why all this dissapointment? I like playing "Dragon May Cry 2" and "Dragon Fantasy".

[ahpuch]

tulx wrote...

carlosjuero wrote...

How about we appreciate that everyone has differing opinions? You are no more right than the people who do not like DA 2 - both are opinions. Pure and simple.

It's just that most people seem to have a negative stance by default - regardless of what the developer does. Once a franchise is established and has lost its "underdog" tag, people start bashing it no matter what. CoD kept copying their original formula, and the whole gaming scene is in uproar. Bioware attempts to evolve its franchises (Dragon Age and Mass Effect) and people are in uproar.
Seems they just don't knew what they want.

so you're assuming to know the reasoning behind peoples dislike of the game? your logic seems similar to a 13 year old girl who is trying to defend why shes a fangirl of justin beiber...but maa hes trying to evolve music, you should be grateful..

[elimccl]

OP, the simple reality is that we are customers. Not all of us are devout Bioware zealots who swear fealty to EA games. Some of us actually expect value for our dollar. When we don't receive the value we expected, we will voice our complaints and concerns. Of course this is a subjective sort of thing, but if a great number of people complain and voice concerns, then odds are, something went wrong.

If you're disappointed by enough people to start a thread about it, odds are, you're acting like the flip side of the irrational coin - the blindly devoted fanboy who has no sense of objectivity. Trying to stereotype your fellow fans, hardcore or not, in whatever light to make sense of a perspective you cannot grasp does little to help anyone.

[Brenus]

Im completely sick of any IDIOT that uses the term evolution to defend the changes in DA2.

Go and bloody look up what evolution is - in a nutshell its a very slow genetic process which occurs over thousands of years and many many generations in organic lifeforms.

Immensely dumbing down a video game genre to become as lame as DA2 over the time frame of 2-20 years is not evolution, its pure and simple dumbing down because the people who developed the game are clueless ****s.

Modifié par Brenus, 21 mars 2011 - 10:28 .

[bigrob08]

PC gamers are the Notre Dame of the gaming world. They believe they're morally and intellectually superior to console gamers. Because all console gamers are moronic mouthbreathers in college or high school. Console gamers aren't "real" gamers. *That* is the driving force behind the divisive hatred surrounding DA2. Since DA2 is more accessible for console gamers, it's BAD.

Having said that, there are very real flaws with DA2. They're not dealbreakers for me, or for many other people. But they are for some. Dragon Age 2 could've been better. But it isn't like DA:O was a pantheon game. Far from it. Some people might need to take off their rose-colored glasses to acknowledge that.

The worst thing, though? That people have intimated - multiple times - that the Dragon Age franchise does itself a disservice if it does anything that breaks rank with RPG purists. Dragon Age 2 didn't "alienate" the fanbase. Some people react like they did, but they didn't. They wanted Bioware to pull a CBS and just recycle the same game over and over again. Don't do anything interesting. Don't take risks. No. Just make the same thing, over and over again. Change faces, change names, but don't add or subtract. Same, same, same.

[Brenus]

bigrob08 wrote...

PC gamers are the Notre Dame of the gaming world. They believe they're morally and intellectually superior to console gamers. Because all console gamers are moronic mouthbreathers in college or high school. Console gamers aren't "real" gamers. *That* is the driving force behind the divisive hatred surrounding DA2. Since DA2 is more accessible for console gamers, it's BAD.

Having said that, there are very real flaws with DA2. They're not dealbreakers for me, or for many other people. But they are for some. Dragon Age 2 could've been better. But it isn't like DA:O was a pantheon game. Far from it. Some people might need to take off their rose-colored glasses to acknowledge that.

The worst thing, though? That people have intimated - multiple times - that the Dragon Age franchise does itself a disservice if it does anything that breaks rank with RPG purists. Dragon Age 2 didn't "alienate" the fanbase. Some people react like they did, but they didn't. They wanted Bioware to pull a CBS and just recycle the same game over and over again. Don't do anything interesting. Don't take risks. No. Just make the same thing, over and over again. Change faces, change names, but don't add or subtract. Same, same, same.

No thats completely wrong.

The PC is simply a superior platform for video games from a hardware perspective.

Consoles are always several generations behing what a PC can do, and making games for console hardware undoubtably means that they are going to be poor PC games.

Modifié par Brenus, 21 mars 2011 - 10:39 .