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[88mphSlayer]

TheAwesomologist wrote...

88mphSlayer wrote...

as nice as that would be it would basically destroy the point of having the other options if the player gets to have their cake and eat it too, there would be no moral dilemma at the end of the day, like if there was a 3rd option at the end of DAO where you can live and not have to deal with the repercussions of an old god baby - who would ever martyr themselves?

There's barely any moral dilemma anyways. It's just what brand of inexplicable crazy do you want to side with? No matter what Anders destroys the Chantry (murder knife time), and you have to fight Orsino then Meredith after wading through abominations, mages, and templars.

You can still have Fenris wanting you to side with the Templars, Merrill and Anders wanting you to side with the Mages, Isabella wants to high tail it to the docks and the hell out, Varric and Aveline want you to save Kirkwall, and Sebastian just wants to cry.

Perhaps not choosing a side means Bethany dies if she's in the chantry or Carver dies if he's with the Templars. Perhaps other companions can die, because you did not choose a side. Now there's a choice! We've spent the whole game really building relationships. Our interaction with the city and people of Kirkwall is purely reactionary. Hawke is only along for the ride for events that will take place anyways. It's all about the perception of choice, DA2 doesn't offer any in a meaningful way in Act 3.

it's an illusion of choice, much like chapter 5 in the witcher is an illusion of choice - either way you're going after the same people regardless of which side you pick in that game

what i like about DA2 is that illusion of choice that - with some improvements - could've felt less like a hassle and more like a great gray choice, throwing in an easy button isn't appealing to me (besides that, to me Hawke's story is about the deep roads and the idol, not the mage vs. templar civil war, which is why i felt the game needed an act 4 for the decisions in act 3 to be more definitive)

[chelseaisthepan]

I think we should've been able to make a fighting pit and then let Orsino and Meredith duke it out. But no crazy-demon-possessed sword for Meredith, 'cause that's cheating.

[Fruit of the Doom]

chelseaisthepan wrote...

I think we should've been able to make a fighting pit and then let Orsino and Meredith duke it out. But no crazy-demon-possessed sword for Meredith, 'cause that's cheating.

Orsino was a badass, I love the scene where he took on all the qunari guarding the Keep by himself.

I thought Meredith would get an equally cool scene if you went with her plan, charging at them on her own, but you just all fight them together while Orsino stands by watching (and probably by shaking his head in smug disdain).

EDIT: And then there is the scene when he nearly knocks a Templar into orbit with his staff!

Modifié par Fruit of the Doom, 14 avril 2011 - 09:24 .

[JasmoVT]

Little Old Woman wrote...

Side with the fascist Templars or side with the lunatic Mages, how about a third option where we can quickly just run around Kirkwall saying our goodbyes in the style of Randy Marsh, "See Ya!".

EDIT: Thanks to whoever moved from non-spoilers, navigation error on my behalf.

Yes I have to say I end up really wanting to head to Orlais, encourage the Divine to call for an Exalted March against Kirkwall and participate in leveling the city and using the stone to fill up the harborso the site could never be inhabited again.

but then in both the MEs I wanted to side with the reapers and wipe out the horride sensient races.

DAO/Awakening were the only recent Bioware story arcs where I really felt an emotional desire to save the world.

[TheAwesomologist]

88mphSlayer wrote...

it's an illusion of choice, much like chapter 5 in the witcher is an illusion of choice - either way you're going after the same people regardless of which side you pick in that game

what i like about DA2 is that illusion of choice that - with some improvements - could've felt less like a hassle and more like a great gray choice, throwing in an easy button isn't appealing to me (besides that, to me Hawke's story is about the deep roads and the idol, not the mage vs. templar civil war, which is why i felt the game needed an act 4 for the decisions in act 3 to be more definitive)

I think we just differ on what we think would be an improvement to Act 3. But anything would be an improvement, even if it were to just clean up the stories for the two choices we have.

The game does need an Act 4, which I'm sure will be an expansion pack.

[Fast Jimmy]

Caladors wrote...

One if Hawke is Viscount then yes, yes he does have that power.

And if rainbows and wishes were lollipops, we'd all have cavities. At the time this happened (and even after, if you sided with the Mages) Hawke is not the Viscount. So no, he doesn't have the power.

Caladors wrote...

And nether side recognizes you as a power or threat.
That or they all turned to you and asked ok who's side are you on?

Both the Templars and the Mages see you as a threat... but that doesn't mean they see you as an authority. Neither side backs down or calls it quits when you side with the opposition, after all. And the guard is not asking you to pick a side, since they don't view you as an authority either. Declaring marshall law would have been first met with blank stares by everyone, then they would have ignored you while "the big people" have their own conversation.

[Gongsun Zan]

The game makes it pretty clear that the guard pretty much loves Aveline, who you pretty much have in your pocket.

Also, I'm curious as to where Seneschal Bran during all of this.

[Fruit of the Doom]

Gongsun Zan wrote...

The game makes it pretty clear that the guard pretty much loves Aveline, who you pretty much have in your pocket.

Also, I'm curious as to where Seneschal Bran during all of this.

The Blooming Rose

[IanPolaris]

Fruit of the Doom wrote...

Gongsun Zan wrote...

The game makes it pretty clear that the guard pretty much loves Aveline, who you pretty much have in your pocket.

Also, I'm curious as to where Seneschal Bran during all of this.

The Blooming Rose

That or chasing tail either in the Hanged Man or some dive in the Docks.

-Polaris

[TheAwesomologist]

Also, I'm curious as to where Seneschal Bran during all of this.

Varric: Hanged Man
Fenris: Hanged Man
Aveline: The Hanged Man. It's got to be.

[Sherbet Lemon]

To the wonderful folks discussing in this thread, I have a question that I hope makes sense.

Do you remember these threads?

Third Way Stuff
No Redcliffe Choices

There were a varying amount of opinion in both these thread as I remember lurking on both of them.  Now having not been given a "third choice" in some respects, I'm wondering what some of you think.  I don't have an opinion.  I just find it sort  interesting that we have talk of a "Missing Third Option" where some wanted it gone previously. 

EDIT:  For some reason the first link didn't work.  Let's try this again, shall we?

Modifié par Village Idiot, 15 avril 2011 - 12:19 .

[Steve236]

Ever play the Witcher? Try taking the neutral option and watch everyone try to gut you for not being decisive.

[Gongsun Zan]

But that's the point. I would have gladly taken a third option even if it makes the game twice as hard as the regular options. It's not about game difficulty, it's about the choice itself.

[Mark B]

Again, nobody wants a consequence free or neutral position. People keep commenting on this as if that is what anybody has put forward, and I don't recall anybody doing so.

The thing is your supposed choice has no effect on the outcome of the game.
And NO, "but you supported the mages/templars", should not have any effect on the future of Hawke, because either way you killed the one you were supporting, making your support fairly ineffectual to say these least and probably unwanted in the future. Can't really see that one going over well with either side, and the Chantry has you down as a bad guy either way.

Modifié par Mark B, 15 avril 2011 - 01:45 .